O/T:- Are we over-reacting to COVD19?

[sidders]

I've heard this in many places - that the world is over-reacting, but taking such a view is quite narrow-minded. For example, no one is quite sure what this virus might mutate into. A virus, like any other living thing, will do its utmost to ensure its survival.
For example, how can we be sure that pregnant women will not suffer unknown consequences?
Another point is that if hospitals are full of patients suffering from COVD19, eventually that will impact on people requiring hospital beds for trauma cases, road accidents, heart attacks, strokes and so on.
One thing people are saying is that the virus could die out when the warmer weather arrives but Iran is currently into its Spring and cases there are multiplying.
Cleaning your hands for a few seconds with a grotty bar of soap won't wash anymore. People have got to adapt to unprecedented conditions. It is very likely that the football season will not see its conclusion in May too.
Yes, it's Sid on another OT but I thought that for us to discuss a possible season-ending issue was worthwhile. Or it could just stay as the elephant in the room.

[LaxtonLad]

sid, a virus is not "...like any living thing...", it has genes but no cell structure and is not considered by scientists to have "life, Jim but not as we know it".

As for stating "Cleaning your hands for a few seconds with a grotty bar of soap won't wash..."!!! It's good know we on NM are being advised on health care by an expert, we now know the medical world haven't a clue on viral infections - thanks, sid. By the way, you're not related to Donald Trump are you?

[sidders]

sid, a virus is not "...like any living thing...", it has genes but no cell structure and is not considered by scientists to have "life, Jim but not as we know it".

As for stating "Cleaning your hands for a few seconds with a grotty bar of soap won't wash..."!!! It's good know we on NM are being advised on health care by an expert, we now know the medical world haven't a clue on viral infections - thanks, sid. By the way, you're not related to Donald Trump are you?

So expert you knows it won't mutate? So spending 5 seconds with a soap bar in general use is sufficient? Are you Laxton or laxative?
I didn't introduce this topic as an expert, but simply to draw comment and opinion. Stuff like IrishPete came up with is a welcome addition to the discussion.

[drillerpie]

I know by now I probably seem like a broken record but if anything the UK is UNDERESTIMATING it.

I have read that people who are calling the hotline to say they've just come back from Austria / N.Italy and are feeling very ill with all the symptoms are being refused tests because they haven't been in direct contact with a confirmed case.

That's a great way to 'keep the numbers down' but not a great way to stop the real spread of the virus or have accurate data.

The official UK position seems to be that other countries introduced draconian measures for political reasons and against scientific advice, but that seems to me to be the complete opposite of what happened.

China blocked off the whole of Hubei province and as far as we can tell have solved the problem to a large degree.

Italy was forced into draconian measures by the situation getting out of control in terms of intensive care beds, and having to issue its doctors with the guidelines they issue to army medics on who to treat and who to let die. There certainly wasn't a great political desire for 60 million people to be confined to their houses.

As discussed on the original coronavirus thread, Singapore implemented strict measures proactively and that seems to have gone quite well for them.

I don't want this to turn into a political thread so I'm not naming names but I have serious reservations about the UK's response.

[queenslandpie]

I know by now I probably seem like a broken record but if anything the UK is UNDERESTIMATING it.

I have read that people who are calling the hotline to say they've just come back from Austria / N.Italy and are feeling very ill with all the symptoms are being refused tests because they haven't been in direct contact with a confirmed case.

That's a great way to 'keep the numbers down' but not a great way to stop the real spread of the virus or have accurate data.

The official UK position seems to be that other countries introduced draconian measures for political reasons and against scientific advice, but that seems to me to be the complete opposite of what happened.

China blocked off the whole of Hubei province and as far as we can tell have solved the problem to a large degree.

Italy was forced into draconian measures by the situation getting out of control in terms of intensive care beds, and having to issue its doctors with the guidelines they issue to army medics on who to treat and who to let die. There certainly wasn't a great political desire for 60 million people to be confined to their houses.

As discussed on the original coronavirus thread, Singapore implemented strict measures proactively and that seems to have gone quite well for them.

I don't want this to turn into a political thread so I'm not naming names but I have serious reservations about the UK's response.

The response here is an economic stimulus package to avoid a recession. Which is pretty hilarious given that every government that has been in power here for the last 20 years regardless of political persuasion has made a grand balls up of things and relied on the mining industry to bail it out, and the currency is getting an absolute flogging currently given its realiance on Asian markets. Right now I am glad that other than about 20% of my electric and my internet connection I am entirely off the grid. Got 50000 gallons of water in my tanks and a garage full of baked beans and Chang Classic. Im in for the long haul!

[LaxtonLad]

So expert you knows it won't mutate? So spending 5 seconds with a soap bar in general use is sufficient? Are you Laxton or laxative?
I didn't introduce this topic as an expert, but simply to draw comment and opinion. Stuff like IrishPete came up with is a welcome addition to the discussion.

I didn't say it wouldn't mutate, on another fred I said it WOULD mutate, it's a virus and that's how viruses work, mutating into new strains resistant to old vaccines, this is why we need a new vaccine every year

The recommended minimum time for washing your hands is TWENTY seconds. A regular bar of soap contains alkalines which break down the fats on your skin, these fats are what hold the bacteria and dirt. There's more to it than that, sid, but I'm sure you're confused enough already.

[GranthamPie]

On the plus side, at least the government can stop worrying about social care costs.

... and 7 out of 10 Notts supporters never wash their hands after having a pish. Just something I’ve noticed. ��

[BigFatPie]

Far too early to say whether anyone is under or over reacting, but the prospect of playing football BCD is ridiculous.

Suspend the season for a couple of months by all means, but no matches with no fans will soon mean no lower league clubs either.

[Elite_Pie]

Far too early to say whether anyone is under or over reacting, but the prospect of playing football BCD is ridiculous.

Suspend the season for a couple of months by all means, but no matches with no fans will soon mean no lower league clubs either.

It makes you wonder what it will do to lower league football if they do decide to play games behind closed doors. Lots of clubs are already on a financial knife edge, and the prospect of still having to pay players and staff with no matchday revenue (and possible refunds to season ticket holders) could quickly tip some over the edge. I don't know if clubs are insured against this sort of thing or if the Football League would assist, but it's a scary prospect.

[Thordardaughter]

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-f4d3d9cd99ca

Scare mongering or accurate ??