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It's awkward. If we void/scrap this season what are we going to do with league 1! Bury? Bolton starting a new season with the same points deduction? Assuming EFL want League 1 to start a new season with 24 sides. End season now with a vote same as Scotland for each league in the ELF. Problem with that is if the premiership decide to complete this season on the pitch. BBC sport legal expert said if the vote gets the necessary in this case at least 75% majority in favour of ending the season now will stop any claims from clubs who feel they have lost out. Then the question of how many sides are promoted & relegated seeing there'll be no play-offs. All that would take some sorting out.
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Don't think it makes any difference to Bury -they have, in effect, been expelled from the Football League and would probably not be in a financial state to continue at League level anyway, at present. The PFA is paying the wages of Bury players still under contract. Bolton, Derby, Pigs are more complicated cases
Additional - the Gigg Lane ground is not owned by the local council, but is still protected for "sporting use" - a bit like Millmoor
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gru, not really. If they end the season now as you say, then what is being said is that it ends as it all stands.Originally Posted by gru
Simplistic in itself: Liverpool champions, Leicester, Chelsea, Man Utd and Wolves all play in Champions League. Relegations are Bournemouth, Villa and Norwich.
Championship: Promoted, Leeds,WBA and Fulham, relegations are Charlton, Luton and Barnsley.
League 1: Promotions are Coventry, Rotherham and Oxford, relegations are Tranmere, Southend and Bolton.
League 2: Promoted, Crewe, Swindon, Plymouth and Exeter, relegations are Stevenage. Bring Bury back in to league 2 providing they can assure the EFL they have the financial backing to pay their way and one up from the National League. If Bury cannot, then promote two clubs from the National League.I think that balances all leagues?
The cases against Derby, Weds and Reading should still be dealt with and if necessary start them on minus points?? next season if proven.
The case of the EFL challenging the non action taken against Birmingham should also still go ahead and again, minus points should also be applied if overturned.
The Premier League sounding out they want to complete their fixtures is the main barrier to having the season declared null and void. There are so many clubs in the Prem in absolute dire straights and should they have to pay some of the money back for non fulfillment of fixtures, may well destroy them, Burnley as a prime example.
It's been heartbreaking about this virus taking so many innocent lives but, a catastrophe like this has really brought the reality home just how much Chairmen of clubs are willing to carry on spending at astronomical rates, just to be in the Prem or any league for that matter. Tough on them serves them right!
Last edited by Brin; 09-04-2020 at 10:21 AM.
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[QUOTE=gru;39473630]Brin last week on BBC sport they were given the options how to complete this season. End the season now: their legal expert said there's got to be an open vote with the required majority in favour or the clubs who consider they lost out going this way could be claiming losses.
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gru, someone in power at the FA have the right to stop the Prem now but won't, because of the interest of all the Prem clubs like I've previously stated, it's all about the muneeeee.
As for the other clubs who think they may well have lost out, this is and hopefully a unique one off situation never been seen or heard of before and sometimes actions have to be taken not suited by others. Those wanting to challenge, should the season be written off, wouldn't be sounding out had they been in a promotion position or safe from relegation. Look at it this way, they've had all season to better themselves and they haven't in most cases.
If the season was halfway through then yes write it off make it void but we are talking 11 games left out of 46, that's less than a quarter left. Action needs to be taken and swiftly in order for clubs to prepare for next season.
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Think the EFL has already said that Bury will only be re-admitted at Level 6 or below, IF they can fulfill the financial requirements, so they will not have Football League status next season.
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So promote four from League 2 to balance out Bury's removal from League 1 and promote two from the National league, job sorted.
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I totally agree clubs need next season. But it's got to be done so clubs who think they've lost out can't claim against the football league or whoever.
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I think if it ever got to the legal end, the courts may well decide to and support both the FA and EFL with their action to end the leagues under what is 'very exceptional' circumstances.
Kerr, any input on this seeing as it's a legal debate?
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i think we have a decent chance of promotion if the season is ended now. I know there is a precedent admittedly a pretty anicent one where the leagues can be left as they are if 75% of the games have been played which they have just. That could have some influence. I think there would be more legal hassle if the season was just scrapped and there are some big wigs like Leeds and Liverpool who will be livid if this season is . If they allow Liverpool the title and allow Leeds to go up surely that same rule had to apply to the lower leagues.
The only problem with this would come where teams havent played the same no of games so I dont see why average points per match cant be used which would see wycombe finishing 3rd in our case. Then you would have to decide on having play offs or letting 3rd place go up automatically as in the olden days. I
suppose this could depend on the amount of time left to play the play offs when the ball gets rolling again.
I would be surprised if the season gets underway again before the middle of may and then there are 9 nines game left roughly so thats another month added on to that even if you play 2 games a week. Bearing in mindthere would prob need to be at least a couple of weeks to train players up again before the season restarts as well you would be looking, even without play offs an early July finish. Not a lot of turn around for the usual August start. There is also the problem of contractual and loan problems if the season was to finish this late of course as well.
Much easier to end the season as it is and start afresh again, hopefully, in August.
Some will be unhappy but it will be tough titty...
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