I'm not denying that Italy and the UK had their first cases on the same day. I won't check the stats because I don't need to, I'm perfectly happy to take your word for it, not least because it doesn't matter! .....The stats are there for you to check, both countries spotted covid on the same day and the UK actually went ahead of Italy on 15th Feb...in the number of actual live cases
The Chief Medical Officer of the UK, the academics who provide the statistics and modelling, the UK government, all accept that we are following a similar curve to Italy but are a few weeks behind.....absolutely, I've watched them. IMO they are trying to stop the idiots from breaking the curfew and partying in the streets (see the 60-Years thread). ie they are trying to "downplay recent successes" and point to other countries as "if you break the curfew, you will be as bad as Spain-France-Italy".....every country is trying to find the PEAK, and a way back to some form of normality
If you want me to concede the point that the first 10 or 20 or 50 or 100 or whatever cases in the UK had more positive outcomes than in the first 10, 20 or 50 in Italy then I'm happy to do that, but the generally accepted mainstream logic is that the virus gained a significant foothold there first and in the UK some weeks after......again I would agree with you...if both countries started at the same time, but one country accelerated past the other, then clearly there were different factors at play....I agreed with you about age, I agreed with you about pollution in Lombardy, I agreed with you about smoking levels....but you took exception when I mentioned possible government corruption or an inadequate Italian NHS....ALL I SEE IS NUMBERS THAT BOTH STARTED OFF AT THE SAME DATE....and if it was Notts County, the only number that matters is the one on game 46....it's actually that simple, despite people saying "what if that Gillingham header hadn't gone in" or "what if the penno v Coventry had been awarded.......facts are facts in the record books and time will tell.
We are all only halfway through this, everyone is going stir crazy, including me....I fell out with Miriam yesterday because she wanted to drive the 200 miles here because she wanted a 16oz steak, fries and home-baked bread (plus a naughty session in the small swimming pool and a sleepover) ........I told her NO, quoting "Covid19 is accelerating in Mexico" and I know for a fact, she is racing between 100 clinics and hospitals trying to put government rulings into place, her chances of becoming infected are rising by the day.
I saw the numbers and acted....maybe I've lost another girlfriend, who knows, or even cares.
Everyone needs to try and stay safe....good luck all.
ps 22 cases of beer left.....when should I start to worry?....the magazine standing on the beer stack, is a July 1959 edition of National Geographic (I've got hundreds that I bury as compost in the veggie gardens) and one of the lead articles was "Up through the ice of the North Pole" by Commander James F Calvert....I bet he wouldn't recognise the North Pole now as we humans continue to completely wreck our environment....Covid19 being yet one more piece of our utter stupidity......as Rust Cohle said, let us all "Walk hand in hand into extinction, one last midnight. Brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal.”