On this day -trivia

[Trickytreesreds]

Wounded at Dunkirk and told he'd never play football again.
Jackie Stamps scored two goals in the 1946 FA Cup Final for Derby County in a 4-1 win against Charlton Athletic.

made them hard as nails then

[macstheman]

Went blind in later life, usually attributed to heading the old 'casey'!
Derby legend!

[Trickytreesreds]

Went blind in later life, usually attributed to heading the old 'casey'!
Derby legend!

I didn't know that mac.
It does make you wonder though, when and where football changed?
it only seems 5 mins ago, you had eleven players and one sub.
Same side played week in, week out.
Remember Butcher and his blood covered shirt and head wrapped like a mummy?

Now days, the wind knocks them over and they complain how tired they are all the time.

[Andy_Faber]

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It does make you wonder though, when and where football changed?

The answer IMO is the triple whammy of the Bradford fire, The Heysel Disater and, soon after, Hillsborough which gave the authorities the moral justification for telling the game to reform, then TV money which actually gave the game an incentive to do so. I watched Heysel's aftermath live and The Bradford fire rerun uncensored the same afternoon, and had a then-family member thought in the moment to be in the Hillsborough crush (he wasn't) and by the time all that and a few other incidents had transpired I had a bitter feeling about football despite my love for Derby.

[Trickytreesreds]

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It does make you wonder though, when and where football changed?

The answer IMO is the triple whammy of the Bradford fire, The Heysel Disater and, soon after, Hillsborough which gave the authorities the moral justification for telling the game to reform, then TV money which actually gave the game an incentive to do so. I watched Heysel's aftermath live and The Bradford fire rerun uncensored the same afternoon, and had a then-family member thought in the moment to be in the Hillsborough crush (he wasn't) and by the time all that and a few other incidents had transpired I had a bitter feeling about football despite my love for Derby.

Interesting reply Andy and I get that.
I was more thinking on the lines of the players themselves.
Tough as old leather, no moaning. Physically take punishment like a SBS trainee.
Now? Such delicate flowers and no interest in anything a pay cheque isn't covering.

[Andy_Faber]

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Interesting reply Andy and I get that.
I was more thinking on the lines of the players themselves.
Tough as old leather, no moaning. Physically take punishment like a SBS trainee.
Now? Such delicate flowers and no interest in anything a pay cheque isn't covering.

Dno the exact answer on that, I've heard it say that teams of today would thrash teams of the 70s through greater athletic fitness if nothing else, but that ignores one thing: Its OK saying Mo Salah would give Norman Hunter the runaround if they ever come head to head, but he'd struggle to do that if he was unfit, kicked to **** by Ron Harris, Peter Storey or any one of a dozen (genuine) hard men the week before

[MadAmster]

Long, long ago Jack was a regular at the Royal Oak (aka the Sump, a nickname that became the official name a few uears back) on Newton Road, Burton. It was also my local and I worked there part time as well. He would be in 2 or 3 lunchtimes midweek and on Saturday evening. He was a great domino player and had his own braille dominoes. His mind worked brilliantly, when a domino was laid, you would tell Jack what was at each end and he knew, and remembered, which domino had been played. I've seen him knock 3 or 4 times and then play a domino and turn the rest of his face up on the table and say "stop that then". He was right and we couldn't stop him winning that hand.

One midweek lunchtime he said to me "Howard, you're Reg's lad aren't you? (I was mid 20s at the time). I said "yes". He said "your Dad's a Derby fan, what about you"? I confirmed that I was indeed a Rams fan. He then reached inside his jacket pocket and said, have you ever seen one of these? and put something in my hand. It was his FA Cup winner's medal. An emotional moment.

[Andy_Faber]

Long, long ago Jack was a regular at the Royal Oak (aka the Sump, a nickname that became the official name a few uears back) on Newton Road, Burton. It was also my local and I worked there part time as well. He would be in 2 or 3 lunchtimes midweek and on Saturday evening. He was a great domino player and had his own braille dominoes. His mind worked brilliantly, when a domino was laid, you would tell Jack what was at each end and he knew, and remembered, which domino had been played. I've seen him knock 3 or 4 times and then play a domino and turn the rest of his face up on the table and say "stop that then". He was right and we couldn't stop him winning that hand.

One midweek lunchtime he said to me "Howard, you're Reg's lad aren't you? (I was mid 20s at the time). I said "yes". He said "your Dad's a Derby fan, what about you"? I confirmed that I was indeed a Rams fan. He then reached inside his jacket pocket and said, have you ever seen one of these? and put something in my hand. It was his FA Cup winner's medal. An emotional moment.

I bet. I've always been in awe of any of the Rams greats, in fact any of those we'd consider 'hall of famers'. Not sure players hang around long enough to become 'hall of famers' these days, Keogh blotted his copybook somewhat, I'd be looking back towards Stimac, then my fave Rob Hindmarch for that sort of adulation

[Geoff Parkstone]

Adulation is always difficult when we've won nothing of significance for the best part of 50 years ☹️. Still it could be worse, we could be Bury fans, although they deserve that fate for the FA Cup final of '02.

I'm still trying to figure out if all my heroes were from the late 60's to mid 70's because we won stuff or because I was of that schoolboy + age where you had heroes. Nowadays as a miserable old git I don't see footballers in anything like the same light. More like overpaid dilettante....

But as Andy said there's no club loyalty any longer, no length of service. If we get a young player who is likely to develop heroic status (sadly this is largely speaking theoretical) they are soon in a PL reserve squad and the bond is broken. Or they were on loan in the first place.

Benefit games on retirement for loyal club players? That seems lost in the past

[Trickytreesreds]

29. april 1996

Keegan has a strop that wouldn't be out of place in the Brexit thread, :-x

https://www.sportinglife.com/footbal...it-rant/179494