Turkey and politics??

[sinkov]

Anti-Semitism doesn't need the State of Israel BT, it's a handy excuse, but Adolf never used Israel as an excuse, he couldn't could he, and it didn't stop him. If Iran managed to achieve it's stated aim and wiped Israel off the face of the earth, anti-semitism would still exist, it would continue unabated. Neither the existence of Israel, nor it's actions have anything to do with it, except as a convenient excuse for anti-Semites.

[outwoodclaret]

Absolutely correct sinkov. Anti-Semitism was rife in Tsarist Russia and Hitler’s Germany as well as Christian Europe long before the state of Israel existed. It is also right there in Islam I am afraid to say at the risk these days of being labelled an Islamophobe.

[Balanbam00]

Norder : Your the first and you say ,''If only the State of Israel were a State for All.'' It is a state for all ,but one problem. If here there are at a guess, 7 million Jews, and then 7 million Muslim Arabs enter ? What would be the character of the State of Israel? Zoom, ,gegangen. No! State of Israel . ( One man one vote?)
Some 74.24% are Jews of all backgrounds (about 6,829,000 individuals), 20.95% are Arab of any religion other than Jewish (about 1,890,000 individuals), while the remaining 4.81% (about 434,000 individuals) are defined as "others".
Others !!
Bedouin, Arab Christians, Druze, Syriac Christians, Arameans, Assyrians, Copts, Samaritans, Armenians, Circassians, Ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians, immigrants from the former Soviet Union, Baháʼís, Vietnamese, ( Most of them came to Israel in between 1976 and 1979, after prime minister Menachem Begin authorized their admission to Israel and granted them political asylum.)
Some naturalized foreign workers and their children born in Israel, predominantly from the Philippines, Nepal, Nigeria, Senegal, Romania, China, Cyprus, Thailand, and South America (mainly Colombia). 100–200 refugees from Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraqi Kurdistan, and North Korea were absorbed in Israel as refugees. Most of them were also given Israeli resident status, and currently reside in Israel.

[Balanbam00]

BT: ''Let's just say it as it is Muslims hate Jews and vice versa and Turkey and Iran are stoking the fires.''

But history was also deeper.
On 23-24 August 1929, over 60 Jews were murdered in what became known as the Hebron Massacre, which would go down in history as one of the bloodiest slaughters of Jewish civilians during British rule of Mandatory Palestine. In August 1929, violent rioters brutally attacked the Hebron Jewish community after the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin Al-Husseini, a notorious antisemite, claimed that Jews were endangering Muslim holy sites on the Temple Mount.
 
With the declaration of the establishment of the State of Israel in May 1948, the Arab League's Political Committee convened and formulated recommendations for all Arab and Muslim countries which specified how to treat Jews in those countries. Among other things the document stated the Jews should be deprived of their citizenship as they were considered citizens of the newly established Jewish state. Assets were seized, bank accounts were frozen and property worth millions of dollars was nationalized. Jews were excluded from government ministries, restricted entry to public service causing many to lose their means of subsistence.
The anti-Jewish trend only increased over time, and an organized plan of oppression and persecution was implemented against the Jews in Arab countries. Between 1948 and 1951, about 850,000 Jews were expelled.

These Jews that were expelled ,what would they tell their sons and daughters??

[Balanbam00]

Sorry BT but ....the bloody and nefarious actions of the State of Israel in Palestine.

''In Palestine''....something that does not exist! fact!

[Balanbam00]

''A few olive branches thrown to the Arabs of Palestine might go a long way I reckon.''

'' The Arabs of Gaza and the West Bank (of Jorden?) You mean? Where is Palestine just outside Bolton?

The Arabs living in Gaza ,are living under Hamas, and Hamas takes it's orders from Iran. But you must know already Iran wants 'chaos' in the Middle East, and encourages its proxy's Hamas, Hezbullah and the Houthis (with payments of course ). 'RESISTANCE'.

[Balanbam00]

BT, ''how the Israelis treat the Palestinian Arabs is a primary cause.'' (I like that word to treat Palestinians) so how can we treat Palestinians?

Despite ongoing terror threats, and even during unrest and wars, many Palestinians do pass daily into Israel for medical care. Israeli hospitals have long provided Palestinians with extensive medical services. For example, during the research period (in 2005 alone), approximately 123 000 Palestinians were treated at just one institution, Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem, which included 15 000 admissions as well as 32 000 visits to the emergency department.

So how do the Israelis treat the Palestinian Arabs? How would you treat a group that fires 4000 rockets at you??

By the way, it is said Hezbollah in Lebanon, have about 160,k rockets. It probably means in theory they could fire 1000 rockets a day for 3 months. My kibbutz is about 30 km from Lebanon, and so many have air raid shelters! Of course, if you are building a new house ,you have to include an air raid shelter today.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Sorry BT but ....the bloody and nefarious actions of the State of Israel in Palestine.

''In Palestine''....something that does not exist! fact!

Not this old chestnut again Balan.

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Norder : Your the first and you say ,''If only the State of Israel were a State for All.'' It is a state for all ,but one problem. If here there are at a guess, 7 million Jews, and then 7 million Muslim Arabs enter ? What would be the character of the State of Israel? Zoom, ,gegangen. No! State of Israel . ( One man one vote?)
Some 74.24% are Jews of all backgrounds (about 6,829,000 individuals), 20.95% are Arab of any religion other than Jewish (about 1,890,000 individuals), while the remaining 4.81% (about 434,000 individuals) are defined as "others".
Others !!

Others ?...what, they didn't make "aliyah", no Jewish grandparent or married into etc - and "halakha", not born from a Jewish mother - so what have we got, an hierarchical system, an apartheid state shaped by blood..rooted in Nationalism and designed to protect it's biological own - to hell with the unpure Other..Butif it all about the breeding, what else does it propagate, history has shown us the dangers of racial differentiation, and how ever could that olive branch be a worse option - for me, it can't....just as long as the People close their ears to those whom make division and war their pet project.

[Balanbam00]

Norder : I do not see it about purity. I see it as a race that want to follow their laws ,customs and traditions. Jews follow ,(but not all) the Laws given in the Old Testament ,the 'Tanach. Those Laws so they believe were given by God, what God gives to your people ,you accept. It can be said ,''oh the Old Testement is a load of 'hunkem -bunkem.' Even so now their are 'codes' ,which can be found inside. For example ,the Shabat,'' six days shall shall you work etc'' But if we continue, And on the seventh day God finished His work .In this sentence in Genisis 2, 1 And the heaven and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God finished His work. Nothing you see about all that ! Heaven and earth ,seventh day ? So what?

But in Hebrew the word ISRAEL is given. It is after 6 letters ,the seventh is ,spelling Israel. ( ישראל )
I have to take the last letter in Genesis 1, which is a yod (י) Then count 6 letters, the seventh is then ( ש ) again 6 letters and the seventh is ( ר ),again 6 letters and the seventh is ( א ),again 6 letters and after the seventh is ( ל ), ( ישראל )

(יוֹם הַשִּׁשִּׁ (י. (the sixth day )
וַיְכֻלּוּ הַ(שָּׁ)מַיִם וְהָאָ(רֶ)ץ וְכָל-צְבָ(אָ)ם וַיְכַל אֱ(לֹ)הִים And the heaven and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Why in this book of 'hunkem -bunkem' are these codes?

Take any name ,your christian name ,your surname, then if its 5 letters or six letters, take any book ,a written passage etc ,try to find your name there inside 5 or 6 letters !You will not find !

This stuff is mind blowing!! Who did this ? What level of intelligence?

So all this, to the religious is very important to them.
(Note ,they did not find stuff like this until we had computers.)

Israel is surrounded on all land sides by Muslims ,we are in conflict with them ,but if 7 million enter and live here ,(no weapons needed ) just cross over. Then Israel is finished.

In Britain now there are so many entering ,and Muslims, ( I do not know what is happening there) , but many do not want your way of life. They will start to close off certain areas, and who knows what else? Good morning!

If anybody converts to Judism ,they can apply for 'aliyah', so its not about purity of blood. They want the lifestyle they have protected for thousands of years!

.... and war their pet project. No, Israel wants peace. Israel has had to fight to defend itself such a small nation. Israel did not have oil, gas, etc ( Now we have found gas )