Official Jim Goodwin rebuild thread

[cybershed]

...I honestly don't think our squad was that bad, certainly not worse than Kilmarnock or Ross County to the degree that our results against them suggests.

No way!

The league table doesnae lie. And the results against County and Killie just underline that fact.

You don't think the squad was 'that bad' eh?

Not one decent keeper at the club! Not one goal-scoring forward at the club. Just the one winger at the club - who was very limited and scored once in a blue moon.

Defenders that can't defend, midfielders - none of which could beat a man, pick out a pass or even just get themselves in the right position FFS!

Your not the only one that thought our squad was 'not that bad'. I couldn't believe how many times I read posters claiming that last season. Unfathomable!

I've been watching United since the 60s. Trust me, the so-called squad we had last year was very, very far away from being 'no bad'.

So let's wake up and smell the coffee guys. With the notable exceptions of Behich and Fletcher, what we had last year was a bunch of talentless, fearful individuals that - collectively - were lambs to the slaughter. There is no mitigation. Not anywhere in the real world.

[Arabdownsouth]

No way!

The league table doesnae lie. And the results against County and Killie just underline that fact.

You don't think the squad was 'that bad' eh?

Not one decent keeper at the club! Not one goal-scoring forward at the club. Just the one winger at the club - who was very limited and scored once in a blue moon.

Defenders that can't defend, midfielders - none of which could beat a man, pick out a pass or even just get themselves in the right position FFS!

Your not the only one that thought our squad was 'not that bad'. I couldn't believe how many times I read posters claiming that last season. Unfathomable!

I've been watching United since the 60s. Trust me, the so-called squad we had last year was very, very far away from being 'no bad'.

So let's wake up and smell the coffee guys. With the notable exceptions of Behich and Fletcher, what we had last year was a bunch of talentless, fearful individuals that - collectively - were lambs to the slaughter. There is no mitigation. Not anywhere in the real world.

I concur

[DUFCstokie]

No way!

The league table doesnae lie. And the results against County and Killie just underline that fact.

You don't think the squad was 'that bad' eh?

Not one decent keeper at the club! Not one goal-scoring forward at the club. Just the one winger at the club - who was very limited and scored once in a blue moon.

Defenders that can't defend, midfielders - none of which could beat a man, pick out a pass or even just get themselves in the right position FFS!

Your not the only one that thought our squad was 'not that bad'. I couldn't believe how many times I read posters claiming that last season. Unfathomable!

I've been watching United since the 60s. Trust me, the so-called squad we had last year was very, very far away from being 'no bad'.

So let's wake up and smell the coffee guys. With the notable exceptions of Behich and Fletcher, what we had last year was a bunch of talentless, fearful individuals that - collectively - were lambs to the slaughter. There is no mitigation. Not anywhere in the real world.

Well put bud.

[TerryTheTerror]

I like what cyber has said but I kind of get what some folk are saying about the squad. Even with just one alteration I don't think we'd have gone down; the keeper. Add to that a defensive midfielder and I think we'd have had a decent season.

All speculation of course but I still believe we have some decent players in this squad, even now.

[PT_Arab]

No way!

The league table doesnae lie. And the results against County and Killie just underline that fact.

You don't think the squad was 'that bad' eh?

Not one decent keeper at the club! Not one goal-scoring forward at the club. Just the one winger at the club - who was very limited and scored once in a blue moon.

Defenders that can't defend, midfielders - none of which could beat a man, pick out a pass or even just get themselves in the right position FFS!

Your not the only one that thought our squad was 'not that bad'. I couldn't believe how many times I read posters claiming that last season. Unfathomable!

I've been watching United since the 60s. Trust me, the so-called squad we had last year was very, very far away from being 'no bad'.

So let's wake up and smell the coffee guys. With the notable exceptions of Behich and Fletcher, what we had last year was a bunch of talentless, fearful individuals that - collectively - were lambs to the slaughter. There is no mitigation. Not anywhere in the real world.

Yes, I agree the league table doesn't lie and I know that the results against Ross County and Kilmarnock (and St Johnstone to an extent) ultimately got us what we deserved - you're absolutely right. I'm not trying to say that we were unlucky, what I'm saying is, if that squad of players had given their all for the whole season, then we would have been better than the two clubs who ultimately finished tenth and eleventh. The grit and determination that was shown in the wins v Hibs, Motherwell and Livi was blatantly not present in any game after that. I just don't feel that the players tried as hard as they should have for the whole season - there were large spells across the season where the effort just wasn't evident.

[PT_Arab]

I like what cyber has said but I kind of get what some folk are saying about the squad. Even with just one alteration I don't think we'd have gone down; the keeper. Add to that a defensive midfielder and I think we'd have had a decent season.

All speculation of course but I still believe we have some decent players in this squad, even now.

I don't agree with that - I think our problems run much deeper than just a lack of quality. I think there has been a problem with attitude from too many players and obvious signs of unrest throughout the season, as I mentioned earlier with the players locking the manager out of the dressing room. Perhaps the keeper was the reason for the players being unhappy - all I know is I've never seen such an unprofessional collection of players at one club before.

[An old shed boy]

Yes, I agree the league table doesn't lie and I know that the results against Ross County and Kilmarnock (and St Johnstone to an extent) ultimately got us what we deserved - you're absolutely right. I'm not trying to say that we were unlucky, what I'm saying is, if that squad of players had given their all for the whole season, then we would have been better than the two clubs who ultimately finished tenth and eleventh. The grit and determination that was shown in the wins v Hibs, Motherwell and Livi was blatantly not present in any game after that. I just don't feel that the players tried as hard as they should have for the whole season - there were large spells across the season where the effort just wasn't evident.

If the players didn’t give their all as most people suggest where the three performances in the wins come from.
Not criticising what you’ve said just interested in your opinion on why.

[Chick A Saw]

I like what cyber has said but I kind of get what some folk are saying about the squad. Even with just one alteration I don't think we'd have gone down; the keeper. Add to that a defensive midfielder and I think we'd have had a decent season.

All speculation of course but I still believe we have some decent players in this squad, even now.

You are right to speculate though. Motherwell, St Johnstone and Livi games right off the top of my head where i saw that keeper making howlers that cost us points, but thats still bottom 6, but we will never know if a better keeper could have instilled more confidence in those in front of him.

Less speculative is the evidence that Motherwell provide in having Butcher in their team with timely managerial change, and if that was at CDM with us, i think he with a different keeper makes enough of a difference to us that keeps us top 6.

[shedka]

I get the points made by still comes back to the keeper killing confidence or making things much more difficult, we were handicapped as a team having the worst keeper across not only the Prem but probably the championship too, its a very important position, you'll get no where with a crap keeper and it is the main reason we fell away or didn't survive over the season despite the being flaws on the team, not any more flawed than a few other teams minus that glaring one

[Jedi u-Knighted]

Keith Watson released by Ross County.., worth a season in the Championship.?