Universal Income?

[baggieal]

You're going to have to explain to me how if everyone gets it anyone can fiddle it!

What if those ( and there are many ) have assets over a million and they are not working for whatever reason - don’t need to/savings etc. presume these people would then benefit? There are many company directors who don’t declare a salary/very small salary by playing around with stock etc - presume they could benefit? What if you are wealthy enough not to work - will these folk benefit?

Surely it should work like council tax in that if a person claims exemption they can only claim
If they can prove they have less than 18K in savings otherwise it’s fraudulent?

Sadly if there’s any loopholes - they will be exploited like the bounce back loans!

Thanks 923

[splinter]

People have to get by on a lot less than this when they retire.

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

People have to get by on a lot less than this when they retire.

Pensioners would get the £19k

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

What if those ( and there are many ) have assets over a million and they are not working for whatever reason - don’t need to/savings etc. presume these people would then benefit? There are many company directors who don’t declare a salary/very small salary by playing around with stock etc - presume they could benefit? What if you are wealthy enough not to work - will these folk benefit?

Surely it should work like council tax in that if a person claims exemption they can only claim
If they can prove they have less than 18K in savings otherwise it’s fraudulent?

Sadly if there’s any loopholes - they will be exploited like the bounce back loans!

Thanks 923

You're right! A few would find loopholes and exploit the system. So let's fixate on those few and keep the status quo. Ignore the millions that it would lift out of poverty. The millions that would lose the shame of living off benefits. The 10's of millions of ordinary folk that would get a lifestyle boost.

[baggieal]

You're right! A few would find loopholes and exploit the system. So let's fixate on those few and keep the status quo. Ignore the millions that it would lift out of poverty. The millions that would lose the shame of living off benefits. The 10's of millions of ordinary folk that would get a lifestyle boost.

Totally agree 923

[baggiematt]

You're right! A few would find loopholes and exploit the system. So let's fixate on those few and keep the status quo. Ignore the millions that it would lift out of poverty. The millions that would lose the shame of living off benefits. The 10's of millions of ordinary folk that would get a lifestyle boost.

The principles great; an absolute utopia. But how, in any climate could you afford to just make the countries folk richer??

Again, I would worry that the way the world works, £19k would become poverty if everyone has it overnight and it would eventually not pose lifestyle boost.

[baggieal]

The principles great; an absolute utopia. But how, in any climate could you afford to just make the countries folk richer??

Again, I would worry that the way the world works, £19k would become poverty if everyone has it overnight and it would eventually not pose lifestyle boost.

My point is there should be a safety net - if you have assets of X and savings of more than let’s say 15K then you can’t keep it otherwise you have committed fraud. Bit like council tax exemption - many can’t claim it with savings of more than 15K ( and you have to send bank statements ) to prove it. Any fraud then you are rightly prosecuted!

People can’t have their cake and eat it as the whole point any help should be for the needy! Absolutely crazy how the government paid £67 per month for energy support to those who were very comfortable! The world’s gone mad!

Yes to increase the pension too but only to those who are struggling and that’s the majority!

[DaveP67 is back!]

We used to all get family allowance for kids regardless of income, that was a universal benefit, now it’s tax credits and means tested. I would vote for a universal income if the sums added up, anything that ensures no one goes to bed hungry or without a roof over their heads has to be a good thing.

[mickd1961]

We used to all get family allowance for kids regardless of income, that was a universal benefit, now it’s tax credits and means tested. I would vote for a universal income if the sums added up, anything that ensures no one goes to bed hungry or without a roof over their heads has to be a good thing.

Exactly Dave.

I don’t really care about the filthy rich keeping it or working the system, I’d much rather it saved people on or below the bottom rung of society.

[baggieal]

We used to all get family allowance for kids regardless of income, that was a universal benefit, now it’s tax credits and means tested. I would vote for a universal income if the sums added up, anything that ensures no one goes to bed hungry or without a roof over their heads has to be a good thing.

Exactly Dave.

I don’t really care about the filthy rich keeping it or working the system, I’d much rather it saved people on or below the bottom rung of society.

I agree Mick! If someone is not needy though and keeps it then they should get at least six months imprisonment!! That won’t happen though which is why so many fiddle the system and to be honest - who blames them if they get away Scot free. No the majority of people don’t have a conscience and many who are comfortable couldn’t give two s hits about those who are desperate!

Bit like saying all the illegals who pile in - who blames them when they get away with it Scot free and handed everything on a plate!

Getting to the point with those who don’t pay tax - who blames them when the system does not come down hard! Why would many be encouraged to be honest when looking at our government and some in the royal family feathering their nests!