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[Mainlanddee]

Agree that Thatcher got people onto the property ladder, and nowadays most folk aspire to get on it too , trouble is we haven't built enough houses over the decades , to allow people to buy a property at a reasonable price , and allowing millions of migrants into the country, when there's a housing shortage

[Deeranged]

This is how I see it.

She gave a helluva lot of people a stake in society, she opened people's eyes to possibilities, she encouraged a savings culture instead of pub, work, pub repeat, she put more disposable income in people's pockets than any pm and allowed people onto the property ladder who wud have never got on it.......she encouraged and expected folk to look after themselves.....self responsibility.

There were some losers but much more winners.

A conviction politician who had big ideas.

I accept some people lost out but many more winners.

70s Britain wasn't a utopia......far from it.

I have my (probably) skewed view and am sticking with it.

Quick question (two really) because it's something that came up in a similar discussion with someone a few weeks back. Did you leave school in fourth or sixth year and how many of your year actually did stay beyond fourth year?

I saw a picture of those from my year who stayed past fourth year a few weeks back - probably ten to fif**** people. in 1979 you walked out of school at 16 and into an apprenticeship if you wanted or into another job, again if you wanted, so there was never really any need to stay past fourth year but I'd guess that by 1984 that was history. These days of course most stay into sixth year and go on to University to study ****e like Gender Studies, Floral Design or Hand Embroidery no, seriously they're all genuine degree courses probably dreamt up by McDonald's to keep them in staff.

[petermackie]

I left school in 1979 tae, when 1 in 4 worked for the taxpayer and income tax was 33%. I have more money and a far more comfortable lifestyle than my parents ever had despite me and my Dad both having similar jobs. How the fk can anyone say she failed?

Maybe if anyone worked in Shipbuilding, Steel industry, Engineering, Mining, Car Manufacturing or just about any other industry especially in Scotland they would say she failed fu@king miserably

[The AuldYin]

Maybe if anyone worked in Shipbuilding, Steel industry, Engineering, Mining, Car Manufacturing or just about any other industry especially in Scotland they would say she failed fu@king miserably

Nobody in the industries you've named or in any industry is entitled to have a comfortable life at the taxpayers expense. Boys the same age as me who worked at Rosyth dockyard or down the pits were coming home with double what I was earning in the building trade and had superannuation pensions which were outrageous. The country was hemorrhaging massive amounts of cash to these dinosaur industries and it HAD to stop or we were f&cked.

[Mainlanddee]

Nobody in the industries you've named or in any industry is entitled to have a comfortable life at the taxpayers expense. Boys the same age as me who worked at Rosyth dockyard or down the pits were coming home with double what I was earning in the building trade and had superannuation pensions which were outrageous. The country was hemorrhaging massive amounts of cash to these dinosaur industries and it HAD to stop or we were f&cked.

Your right the wages might of been too high , but nothing wrong with workers having a good pension , in years to come the taxpayers will be picking up the bill to top up people with poor or no pensions

[Returnofrros]

I have my (probably) skewed view and am sticking with it.

Quick question (two really) because it's something that came up in a similar discussion with someone a few weeks back. Did you leave school in fourth or sixth year and how many of your year actually did stay beyond fourth year?

I saw a picture of those from my year who stayed past fourth year a few weeks back - probably ten to fif**** people. in 1979 you walked out of school at 16 and into an apprenticeship if you wanted or into another job, again if you wanted, so there was never really any need to stay past fourth year but I'd guess that by 1984 that was history. These days of course most stay into sixth year and go on to University to study ****e like Gender Studies, Floral Design or Hand Embroidery no, seriously they're all genuine degree courses probably dreamt up by McDonald's to keep them in staff.

I did 4 and 3/4, never completed 5th year.

Prob cuda got to uni if I pushed myself but wasn't really my thing.

I'd say majority left 4th year....maybe 75%

Got a yts doing woodwork metal work type thing......but I was useless at it.....I knew I wud be......lasted about 6 mth.

Switched to working in a jute mill for 5 years then a bit of sliding doors moment and because I didn't want to work Saturdays got into insurance

I then realised if you cud yap a bit and get on with the public ( I know you wudnt think it ) there was money to be made..,.......and I actually thoroughly enjoyed what I did.

[Deeranged]

Nobody in the industries you've named or in any industry is entitled to have a comfortable life at the taxpayers expense. Boys the same age as me who worked at Rosyth dockyard or down the pits were coming home with double what I was earning in the building trade and had superannuation pensions which were outrageous. The country was hemorrhaging massive amounts of cash to these dinosaur industries and it HAD to stop or we were f&cked.

You grudge people a decent wage for a day's work and a good pension for grafting all their lives in **** conditions? Tory right enough.

[Returnofrros]

You grudge people a decent wage for a day's work and a good pension for grafting all their lives in **** conditions? Tory right enough.

I do grudge public sector workers defined benefit schemes.

I consider it pension apartheid.

[Deeranged]

I did 4 and 3/4, never completed 5th year.

Prob cuda got to uni if I pushed myself but wasn't really my thing.

I'd say majority left 4th year....maybe 75%

Got a yts doing woodwork metal work type thing......but I was useless at it.....I knew I wud be......lasted about 6 mth.

Switched to working in a jute mill for 5 years then a bit of sliding doors moment and because I didn't want to work Saturdays got into insurance

I then realised if you cud yap a bit and get on with the public ( I know you wudnt think it ) there was money to be made..,.......and I actually thoroughly enjoyed what I did.

I was the complete opposite, could do the practical, hands on stuff with my eyes closed but never had the gift of the gab. Also discovered later in life that I could do the academic stuff pretty well so did a Masters Degree - still can't talk to people I don't know though. My current job suits me because it's mostly people with practical and engineering backgrounds with a grasp on what I see as reality and who just want the job done same as I do that I deal direct with. Obviously there are others in my working environment who are less practically inclined but I avoid them where I can.

I know you're happily retired but in all honesty I don't see myself ever wanting to stop working, I just enjoy it too much. Maybe the travel helps, even though I whinge like **** about it.

[Returnofrros]

Your right the wages might of been too high , but nothing wrong with workers having a good pension , in years to come the taxpayers will be picking up the bill to top up people with poor or no pensions

My prediction in years to come the state pension will be means tested .

Disgusting but I think it will happen.

Triple lock will be the policy that will deny your children and grand children their state pension.