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    YouTube banned the clips from its platform but X hasn't.

    This is the actual court hearing. It is being translated as it goes.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1779424128212009176

    Part one with the translation part taken out https://www.aussie17.com/p/dr-aseem-...xplosive-court

    Part two is the question and answer https://twitter.com/i/status/1779729975568105725

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    Just a bit of background observation of the quoted doctor. Looks quite familiar with the way he has set out his 'personal journey' discussed above:

    The Editor of The Lancet, Richard Horton, reported on a presentation by Malhotra 7 November 2022 at a public meeting organised by the Association of Naturopathic Practitioners at Friends Meeting House, London.

    'Malhotra's method of argument deserves scrutiny to understand why it persuades some people. Frame one's view as the reluctant endpoint of a personal journey. Quote respected scientists. Stand up to corporates. Place oneself firmly on the side of patients. Emphasise well described concerns about the presentation of research evidence. Allude to correlations. Make the call for access to raw data an issue of trust and transparency.

    After the meeting descended into chaos, Horton observed that 'this descent into unreason is what happens when you inflame public anxieties. It needs to stop.'[76] Frank Han, a paediatric cardiologist, reviewed Malhotra's 20 claims in the presentation and concluded the majority were unsupported by scientific evidence.[77]

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    Just a bit of background observation of the quoted doctor. Looks quite familiar with the way he has set out his 'personal journey' discussed above:

    The Editor of The Lancet, Richard Horton, reported on a presentation by Malhotra 7 November 2022 at a public meeting organised by the Association of Naturopathic Practitioners at Friends Meeting House, London.

    'Malhotra's method of argument deserves scrutiny to understand why it persuades some people. Frame one's view as the reluctant endpoint of a personal journey. Quote respected scientists. Stand up to corporates. Place oneself firmly on the side of patients. Emphasise well described concerns about the presentation of research evidence. Allude to correlations. Make the call for access to raw data an issue of trust and transparency.

    After the meeting descended into chaos, Horton observed that 'this descent into unreason is what happens when you inflame public anxieties. It needs to stop.'[76] Frank Han, a paediatric cardiologist, reviewed Malhotra's 20 claims in the presentation and concluded the majority were unsupported by scientific evidence.[77]
    The actual Lancet write up

    1000 people gathered in the magnificent Light auditorium at Friends House on a bleak winter evening in London. They were there to hear Dr Aseem Malhotra, a cardiologist, answer the question, “Has Big Pharma Hijacked Evidence-Based Medicine?” Most of those assembled wanted to know Malhotra's views about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines. Critics might argue that his pronouncements on vaccines should be dismissed. But to understand why vaccine hesitancy has become such an important public health challenge, one must study his arguments and claims, even if one finds them misplaced.
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    Malhotra began with two “principles”. First, fear inhibits our ability to think critically. Second, wilful blindness protects prestige and fragile egos. He quoted Stephen Hawking: “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.” He described how two review papers he wrote on “Curing the pandemic of misinformation on COVID-19 mRNA vaccines through real evidence-based medicine” were the most rigorously peer reviewed of his career (they were published in the open access Journal of Insulin Resistance). He argued that society was faced with a “pandemic of misinformed doctors”. He praised John Ioannidis for his claim that we live during a period of “medical misinformation”. He suggested that “honest doctors can no longer practise honest medicine”. He claimed that randomised trials exaggerate the benefits of new interventions, while minimising their risks. He agreed that the pharmaceutical industry had developed many life-saving medicines, but these medicines were “overused”. He explained how the use of relative risk reductions can be misleading. He noted that doctors should always practise shared decision making with patients. Malhotra moved onto his main theme—namely, his claim that there was an increased risk of heart attack after receiving an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. He spoke about a “close to non-existent” benefit from mRNA vaccines during the omicron phase of the pandemic. He implied that one could not fully trust the independence of vaccine regulators. He seemed to correlate differences in cardiac arrests between 2020 and 2021 with vaccine roll-out. He spoke about the importance of the commercial determinants of health. He showed a slide entitled, “Key facts on vaccine based on highest quality data and best available evidence”. There were nine bullet points, including the statement, “Unprecedented harms reported by yellow card scheme”. He quoted Michael Marmot: “A poor quality or stressful job can be more damaging to health than being unemployed”. He introduced a new phrase—“the psychopathic determinants of health”, by which he meant the adverse influence of corporate power on medicine. He spoke about his own father's death, the primary cause of which was, in his view, the COVID-19 vaccine. He urged the audience to tweet that they call on the Secretary of State for Health “to #SuspendTheMRNAjabsnow until the raw data is released for independent analysis”. He ended his talk with a quote from Harvey Milk. Some audience members gave him a standing ovation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frogmiller View Post
    The actual Lancet write up

    1000 people gathered in the magnificent Light auditorium at Friends House on a bleak winter evening in London. They were there to hear Dr Aseem Malhotra, a cardiologist, answer the question, “Has Big Pharma Hijacked Evidence-Based Medicine?” Most of those assembled wanted to know Malhotra's views about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines. Critics might argue that his pronouncements on vaccines should be dismissed. But to understand why vaccine hesitancy has become such an important public health challenge, one must study his arguments and claims, even if one finds them misplaced.
    Figure thumbnail fx1

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    Copyright © 2022 Richard Horton
    Malhotra began with two “principles”. First, fear inhibits our ability to think critically. Second, wilful blindness protects prestige and fragile egos. He quoted Stephen Hawking: “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.” He described how two review papers he wrote on “Curing the pandemic of misinformation on COVID-19 mRNA vaccines through real evidence-based medicine” were the most rigorously peer reviewed of his career (they were published in the open access Journal of Insulin Resistance). He argued that society was faced with a “pandemic of misinformed doctors”. He praised John Ioannidis for his claim that we live during a period of “medical misinformation”. He suggested that “honest doctors can no longer practise honest medicine”. He claimed that randomised trials exaggerate the benefits of new interventions, while minimising their risks. He agreed that the pharmaceutical industry had developed many life-saving medicines, but these medicines were “overused”. He explained how the use of relative risk reductions can be misleading. He noted that doctors should always practise shared decision making with patients. Malhotra moved onto his main theme—namely, his claim that there was an increased risk of heart attack after receiving an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. He spoke about a “close to non-existent” benefit from mRNA vaccines during the omicron phase of the pandemic. He implied that one could not fully trust the independence of vaccine regulators. He seemed to correlate differences in cardiac arrests between 2020 and 2021 with vaccine roll-out. He spoke about the importance of the commercial determinants of health. He showed a slide entitled, “Key facts on vaccine based on highest quality data and best available evidence”. There were nine bullet points, including the statement, “Unprecedented harms reported by yellow card scheme”. He quoted Michael Marmot: “A poor quality or stressful job can be more damaging to health than being unemployed”. He introduced a new phrase—“the psychopathic determinants of health”, by which he meant the adverse influence of corporate power on medicine. He spoke about his own father's death, the primary cause of which was, in his view, the COVID-19 vaccine. He urged the audience to tweet that they call on the Secretary of State for Health “to #SuspendTheMRNAjabsnow until the raw data is released for independent analysis”. He ended his talk with a quote from Harvey Milk. Some audience members gave him a standing ovation.
    THis is simply a recounting by Hobson of the contents of the talk - the contents. I stated Horton's summary points having listened to the contents of Malhotra's presentation. Not sure what you are saying by simply pointing to the contents of the presentation?

    Ps, Not completely dismissing all of Malhotra's points - i think some of his general observations of how we respond to fear as a culture and ghow that has potential to be abused by authority. My wariness is how, as Horton points out, Malhortra uses a very well rehearsed argument structure to try and pursuade audiences without necessarily backing up quite huge statements with appropriate evidence. Seems quite manipulative to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    THis is simply a recounting by Hobson of the contents of the talk - the contents. I stated Horton's summary points having listened to the contents of Malhotra's presentation. Not sure what you are saying by simply pointing to the contents of the presentation?

    Ps, Not completely dismissing all of Malhotra's points - i think some of his general observations of how we respond to fear as a culture and ghow that has potential to be abused by authority. My wariness is how, as Horton points out, Malhortra uses a very well rehearsed argument structure to try and pursuade audiences without necessarily backing up quite huge statements with appropriate evidence. Seems quite manipulative to me.
    They’re all very well rehearsed. Speakers have to be. I used to go around the world selling a product and had to know the catalogue inside out. My 35 minute speech was based upon it to a large audience.

    To contradict oneself is bad 😂

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    Top WHO Official Testifies: Vaccine Passports Were a Scam to Push Fake Covid Shots
    "A top official with the World Health Organization (WHO) has admitted during an explosive testimony that the vaccine passports pushed by the agency were just a scam to advance the global vaccination agenda.

    Additionally, Dr. Hanna Nohynek testified that the WHO knew that Covid mRNA shots were ineffective but still pushed for the general public to be pressured into taking the experimental injections.

    Dr. Nohynek says the WHO used the vaccine passports to force the public into complying with the vaccination agenda despite knowing the injections were ineffective against Covid.

    Nohynek is the WHO’s chair of the Strategic Group of Experts on Immunization and serves as the chief physician at the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare and serves as.

    The WHO dropped the bombshell revelations in a Helsinki courtroom while testifying in a lawsuit brought by Finnish citizen Mika Vauhkala.

    Vauhkala is suing after he was denied entry to a café for not having a vaccine passport.

    Nohynek testified in court that she advised the WHO and her government that vaccine passports were not needed.

    However, Nohynek says she was ignored, despite explaining that the Covid vaccines were essentially “fake” because they did not stop virus transmission.

    She also warned that the passports and vaccines gave a false sense of security.

    During her testimony, Nohynek revealed that the WHO and the Finnish Institute for Health knew by the summer of 2021 that the Covid mRNA shots were completely ineffective against virus transmission.
    She says the United Nations health agency knew the injections wouldn’t stop the spread of Covid shortly after rolling out the vaccines in early 2021 but continued to push them, despite the risks to public safety.

    During that same*2021 time period, the WHO said it was working to “create an international trusted framework” for safe travel." - Frank Bergman

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    Top WHO Official Testifies: Vaccine Passports Were a Scam to Push Fake Covid Shots
    "A top official with the World Health Organization (WHO) has admitted during an explosive testimony that the vaccine passports pushed by the agency were just a scam to advance the global vaccination agenda...
    Nuremberg #2 will fix this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eternal Optimist View Post
    Nuremberg #2 will fix this.
    I’m not sure that it will come to that. 193 member states will be signing over their countries rights to self govern during or even announce an epidemic or a pandemic in the future.
    When the WHO gets their hands on the tiller we’re in a whole different world.

    These unelected parasites headed up by a known terrorist who openly admits not taking the vaccine will take over.

    The WHO have political immunity and are above prosecution by law. These scum get most of their financial backing from outside governments with the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation being their biggest donor.

    The amount of additional vaccines that could be forced upon us and the effects is frightening.

    It could already be too late.

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    EXCESS DEATHS DEBATE: @ABridgen's full speech

    https://twitter.com/Togetherdec/stat...63999460258250

    In fairness the whole debate was interesting and the countre arguments were valid. It still left me in the same frame of mind. Let the evidence that is there and has been collected by the governments be open and available to everyone and not just the pharmasutical companies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by frogmiller View Post
    ...The amount of additional vaccines that could be forced upon us and the effects is frightening.

    It could already be too late...
    The answer is very simple - Do Not Comply.

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