The Official Everton v West Ham United Match Thread

[BlackDiamond]

Recent form guide at Goodison. Last 5 games

2012/2013 Sun 12 May Everton 2 - 0 West Ham Utd.
2010/2011 Sat 22 Jan Everton 2 - 2 West Ham Utd.
2009/2010 Sun 04 Apr Everton 2 - 2 West Ham Utd.
2008/2009 Sat 16 May Everton 3 - 1 West Ham Utd.
2007/2008 Sat 22 Mar Everton 1 - 1 West Ham Utd.

We have played Everton at Goodison 57 matches.
Won 10,Drawn 11 and lost the others.

We possibly might expect to be defeated at the weekend, all good runs come to a halt; however with boundless optimism, I am going to predict a 2-2 draw.

It has the potential of being a good weekend for us. Fulham entertain Chelsea XD , Sunderland v Westbrom Postponed ;D and Cardiff have the pleasure of hosts Tottenham :zzz:

Meaning obviously, that the bottom four will not accrue any points at all. Double f.ucking yippee !

I suppose hamster cheeks, will win February Premiership manager of the month :O

[bonzosbest74]

I have far too many bad memories of Everton games, nothing to do with Sam but it's ingrained.

2-0 loss I'm afraid (Lukaku & Traore ;D )

[BillyDWhizz]

I have far too many bad memories of Everton games, nothing to do with Sam but it's ingrained.

2-0 loss I'm afraid (Lukaku & Traore ;D )

Except Traore is out for weeks with a dodgy hamstring...Not that I find that funny at all...;D

[dagenhamJohn]

that man Carroll is available, its an away game so i'm assuming he'd be chosen, who would you leave out if this is the case?

[happyhammer4eva]

1-2 win. Why not?

[connelljj]

that man Carroll is available, its an away game so i'm assuming he'd be chosen, who would you leave out if this is the case?cole wont play with carroll back.

[TICKER]

Carroll and cole zilch-2 to the mighty hammers

[dorsetdano]

Everton have lost 3 of their last 5 having only lost to Man City before that. the key will be which Tim howard turns up in goal for them. If he does his Nev Southall impersonations we're in trouble. If he does his nut like he did against Sunderland and gets sent off, we're quids in.
I'm going for a 0-1 with Mark Noble to score from a pen

[stevo1272]

First thing is not to give any free kicks away in and around the box...remember Baines at UP a few weeks ago...

It's usually one game I personally write off as we never get any change out of em...however you could say this is the right time to play em!

1-1 for me

[palerider]

Any notions about not changing a winning side will be forgotten with the news that Jagielka is out injured. AC will play.

And why not go for it ? Lukaku if fit won't be 100% and although Everton have many other good players, another fighting performance and a decent result I hope.

[thomas_swe]

think traore might be injured but im not sure

[BillyDWhizz]

think traore might be injured but im not sure

He's out for a long long time with a hamstring injury, which I believe our physio predicted would happen if we signed him.

[whu1980]

We had a lucky escape there. Well done physico team don't get to say that often. ;D - view external link (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9186980/everton-and-monaco-in-talks-over-future-of-on-loan-striker-lacina-traore)

[rednekst]

The one downside for me is 'Beware the Ides of March' after February.

But saying that I will go for an optimistic 2-2.

Overcome their strong mid-field and then unleash 'the dogs of war'

[Taansend]

I will be amazed if we win on Saturday.

Its nice to have decent options in defence, midfield and attack.

If we do stay up and can keep improving squad we could have something to look forward to.

[mikeveep]

Surprised we are big odds (7/1) to win this. Even the draw (3/1).

If Sam is right, in that we have been doing the defensive bit all season but are only now getting the finishing act together, that appears a worthwhile flutter.

[Whiskyman]

If Allardyce gets the "Manager Of The Month" award, usually the kiss of death, we are royally firked.

If he misses out a draw could be on the cards.

Either way I don't see a goalfest.

[Dailly___7]

A draw would be a great result.

But I can see a loss as our run of form can't continue! Things are going too well at the moment!

Don't lose by a big scoreline as confidence might drop.

0-2.

[JimmyV66]

West Ham trying to win 5 games on the trot?
Playing away to Everton?
Manager of the month going to Allardyce?
Everton on their first bad spell of the season?
West Ham win pretty much gets rids of any last remaining relegation doubts?


Would be stunned if we did not get a good old fashioned tonking in this one. Everton is just one of our many bogey teams.

4-0 Everton.

[TOWIE]

Can see a defeat, never seem to do well against Everton.
Though think it will be close, maybe 2-1 them.

[OZHAMMER]

the only thing going for us is the amount of injuries the toffees are currently suffering.

i still won't be getting my hopes up for this one.

[GARNETT]

Everything`s pointing to us getting a result, so why am I worried :blue:

[bazwillrun]

The usual place for streams if anybody needs one

www.freelivefootballstreams.co.uk/west%20ham%20united.html

[dagenhamJohn]

Everything`s pointing to us getting a result, so why am I worried :blue:funny you should mention that! :-S

[JimmyV66]

Team News.

Teams: Adrian, Demel, Tomkins, Collins, McCartney, Noble, Nolan, Taylor, Jarvis, C.Cole, Downing

Subs - Reid, Armero, Carroll, Diame, Jaaskelainen, J.Cole, Nocerino

[thomas_swe]

Unable to watch until 20:30, fml

[steveytastic]

Carroll on the bench, against Everton? FFS, (holds head in hands)

[BlackDiamond]

Be funny if the Cobra were to score twice. Then we would have a situation, where are main striker was injured half the season, comes back,plays one game, gets sent off, serves a 3 game ban and then spends time on the bench. Oh,the irony.

[Tone_Loc]

Carroll on the bench, against Everton? FFS, (holds head in hands)

Can't say I blame Sam for starting with Carlton taking into account the last 3 games.

Plenty of time for A.C to make his mark.
I'm sure he'll have plenty of match time today.

[bonzosbest74]

A draw would be an excellent result today, it ain't going to be easy to survive the Everton onslaught.

More of the same from the defenders please.

[bonzosbest74]

Naismith doesn't look anything special, I'm sure we'll see Lukaku early in the 2nd half.

[FLAIRON]

Naismiths looks like Ian Dowie's love child.

[BlackDiamond]

Everton 85% possession

[BlackDiamond]

Everton pressure, we need an out ball. Keep conceding corners and free-kicks...

[bazwillrun]

AC coming on already !

[avit]

Are we playing 3 and in ffs?

[BlackDiamond]

Cobra replaced after 28 mins :O Tomkins booked.

Possession 80/20

[SepticHammer]

a ball to the cobra right now is a ball to the blues - he must be covered in snake oil! The AC countdown begins.

[dagenhamJohn]

cole
was
fuming
apparently!

[bonzosbest74]

We'll never have much possession with this manager in charge and I don't mind too much away from home, 31% possession against a bottom 3 team is unacceptable though.

Having said that I think we look dangerous on the break and Everton are not playing their best stuff.

[BlackDiamond]

Only Newcastle have scored against 'Ull.


...that's jinkzed it

[SepticHammer]

best tackle of the game just got a yellow! "you don't know what you're doing"

[Tone_Loc]

Subbing a player after 27 who's been doing well (previous games)... ??? Although we've had a good run and Sam's up for manager of the month... poor man management for me.
May as well have just started with Carroll.

I can't get a stream... was Cole THAT bad?

[bazwillrun]

have you tried here for a stream

www.freelivefootballstreams.co.uk/west%20ham%20united.html

[Tone_Loc]

have you tried here for a stream

www.freelivefootballstreams.co.uk/west%20ham%20united.html
Cheers Bazza. Problem's with my internet connection. Poxy router's on the blink :(

[BlackDiamond]

Newcastle have scored again 0-2 against 'Ull

[JimmyV66]

Another half where we have only had 30% possesion. Game after game after game. :blue:

Cole taken off for tactical reasons according to the commentators, Carroll comes on and picks up a injury. Trying to run it off.

Referee wearing a Everton shirt, or should be. Tomkins booked for what was a fantastic ball winning tackle from the side.

[BlackDiamond]

Hamster cheeks must be happy, 0-0 HT. We can't keep this up for another 45, can we ??

That said, these possession stats might fib. I mean Everton have had 11 shots, but only 1 on target.

Let's try and nick-it 0-2 COYI

[JimmyV66]

Cole very angry about being subbed. Seems he went straight down the tunnel and kicked a few bottles over and a door.

Looked just as angry on the bench when Carroll got injured.

[FLAIRON]

Riding our luck somewhat here.

[SepticHammer]

How can he be upset after being that weak and wasteful while on the pitch, he has no right imo

[herbiehammer]

Any of you watching it on the channel sports net?

You get me

>:(

[SepticHammer]

From the replays it looks like Barry should be on a yellow after that Nolan challenge, was outside the box tho

[bonzosbest74]

Any of you watching it on the channel sports net?

You get me

>:(

No >:(

[bonzosbest74]

Our crossing has been poor today

[BlackDiamond]

Lukaku on :(

[bonzosbest74]

Everton have clearly upped their intensity in this half

[BlackDiamond]

Diame on for jarvis...22 mins of will-they-or-wont-they to go...

[Tone_Loc]

Pardew sent off for "headbutting" a player :)
Mind you..for what passes for headbutts in modern day football it's probably one of those pathetic neck-twitch moments.
Will be interesting to see that one!!

[BlackDiamond]

Fulham losing 0-3. Arsenal losing 0-1...and we have 11 mins to score...

[bazwillrun]

all that and we give away a soft goal like that
FFS

[punkrockhammer]

Lukaku is a ****

No goals for ten games and I was gonna put a bet on him to score if he started o???

[bonzosbest74]

1-0 :blue:


Fair enough I suppose though, our luck was going to run out at some time the way we invite teams onto us.

[BlackDiamond]

Reid on for Demel...and Lukaku ! s.hit I knew it...a.rse,a.rse.a.rse

[FLAIRON]

Does anyone else have difficulty posting on this site? I did not until about 6 months ago. Now I cannot post at all or it takes about 20 - 30 to actually post.

Damn that was a poor goal to give away.

[Tone_Loc]

FFS the end of the human race will arrive before we take 3 points at Everton

[castiron]

Fickle f uckers they were moaning in to their bins 10 mins ago, now they're cheering like they'be won the league. Would have been a good point :blue:

[castiron]

Downing ffs

[JimmyV66]

Well thank fck for that. The real West Ham United is back.

What a fckfest of a game. Everton was p1sspoor yet still managed to outplay and outclass us and again beat us.

Allardcye plays for the point as he always does away from home and even at 1-0 down he does not try and change every thing.

2 more years off watching us play getting hardly any possesion at all. :blue:

[Tone_Loc]

Fickle f uckers they were moaning in to their bins 10 mins ago, now they're cheering like they'be won the league. Would have been a good point :blue:
Indeed. But... I suppose taking into account that Goodison is in the heart of "f-uck-all Shire" for us and with the law of averages being stacked up against us following a good run... not too bad.

Not a pretty game (sadly the norm when we play good sides away) and we're always going to be at the mercy of a stroke of genius or a silly mistake playing that way. But no reason to be down or for to let this game affect our confidence.
Bring on Stoke... COYI !!!

[bonzosbest74]

Never expected to win this one but it was a little disappointing that we weren't able to switch from defending and have a go once they'd scored.


Anyway we've got to take the rough with the smooth I suppose, Norwich were the better team but we won where as today Everton were the better team and we lost.

Stoke away next, perhaps we can get a point up there?

[JimmyV66]

Our Freekicks today. >:)

[castiron]

Dont bank on that, they've just beaten Arsenal.
Our delivery today was absolute dog ****e. Biggest player on the pitch, not one decent ball in. Allardyce f ucked up big time with the subs. Surely Demel could have lasted another ten minutes? If he wanted the point should have put Reid on as an extra!

[dagenhamJohn]

didn't think we'd take 3 points up there, but as the game went on it looked promising for 1,

dissapointed really.

[JimmyV66]

Stoke City away next.

Stoke who have beaten Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United at home already this season.

Allardcye to once again play and hope for a 0-0.

[Tone_Loc]

@Castiron (can't reply or quote for shyte on this dog-**** website)...

The deadly curse of 'Manager of the Month' ??

[castiron]

You know that Tone :blue:
Surely it's time to give Armera (spelling) a runout, cant be worse than Jarvis can he?

[Tone_Loc]

@Castiron - I've been wondering about Armera.

Seems highly rated (or at least some of the hacks and players I've read commenting on him) and was wondering when we might see him make an appearance??

[sir terence brown]

Reid on for Demel...and Lukaku ! s.hit I knew it...a.rse,a.rse.a.rse

did reid play fullback?

[castiron]

S hit of a shovel and can score I believe. Jarvis is so predictable. Got to feel sorry for Carlton today. :blue:

[ImTopMan]

The Spurs fans are fuming with West Ham right now.

With them in and around Everton in the table, the Tottenham lads I know was desperate for you to get a result up at Goodison today.

[JimmyV66]

The Spurs fans are fuming with West Ham right now.

With them in and around Everton in the table, the Tottenham lads I know was desperate for you to get a result up at Goodison today.

They should know better, we could play Everton with 2 goal keepers and 3 extra players and a 1 goal head start and still never beat them.

[JimmyV66]

Mate asked me tonight just how bad our record is against Everton. We both knew it was poor so i checked. Having checked poor would be to kind a word to use. It really is shocking.

Since 1987 we have played Everton 45 times. 7 wins. :blue:

Oddily enough we have also only beaten Liverpool 7 times in our last 45 games.

So against the two big merseyside clubs. 14 wins from 90 games.


No wonder they are always the fixtures i least look forward to. :(

[Lineker57apps40goals]

Mate asked me tonight just how bad our record is against Everton. We both knew it was poor so i checked. Having checked poor would be to kind a word to use. It really is shocking.

Since 1987 we have played Everton 45 times. 7 wins. :blue:

Oddily enough we have also only beaten Liverpool 7 times in our last 45 games.

So against the two big merseyside clubs. 14 wins from 90 games.


No wonder they are always the fixtures i least look forward to. :(

As an Everton fan I well know we are one of your bogey sides. We do have a boss record against the Hammers since I was took to my first Everton game in 1983 as a then naive 7 year old.

But, to be fair, the biggest game between our clubs during this period you lot won. The 1991 FA Cup quarter final, my first ever visit to the Boleyn. A game many blues still have nightmares about!

Stuart f**king Slater.

[Warwick4370]

Seriously, what's the point of getting up at all hours to watch us try not to lose, thinking we can bank on our luck.

25% possession... well if that's the way we play then so be it, but at least when we have the ball could we please look like we know what to do with it, it's way too predictable, and looks awful. Why no plan or a plan A with more than one method...?

No adventure, little play except ineffective hoof balls, against a team that really wash't much better than ours on paper, or for that matter, on the pitch.

I'm glad I'm not paying to go and watch games, when the 'entertainment' is so poor

[palerider]

As Whiskyman said, if I wasn't a West Ham supporter I wouldn't pay to watch them. Actually I don't anyway, not under Allardyce, but you see the point.

Premiership survival is now the be all and end all and it's really sad that in this league of two seperate leagues, to achieve that end is considered a succesful season. A symptom of that is our players doing a lap of honour last May for finishing tenth.

But it is what it is and we are what we are. 10 minutes or so from another point but against the better sides if you set your stool out to not concede but have no threat yourselves you'll get lucky very occasionally as we did at the Bridge, but yesterday we didn't.

Sky is to blame and managers like Allardyce and Pulis love it. It means permanent employment as the ludicrous amounts of money thrown at the Premier League mean to hell with the cups, let's aim for tenth.

Maybe, just maybe when the Olympic Stadium is our new home, things may be different but even then dismantling a side ge

[mikeveep]

Palerider. " dismantling a side geared up for survival and no more will require big investment and probably an uncomfortable transition period"


This is not so.

The whole back unit including Noble is in place for any system. The wide midfielders will be Ok in a less demanding defensive role, as will the striker.

All that's necessary to convert to a more balanced team is the purchase of two or three all round central midfielders, who can bring the ball out of defence with a bit of pace and pass to/interpass with the attack.

No great re-structuring necessary.

[rednekst]

Palerider,

Okay we were under bombardment for much of the game...all same same at Chelsea as well. But we were beaten by one mishap in the defence and a referee being blind again.

Barry should have been sent off in the first half for hauling Nolan rearwards...but referee this time favored the home side.

As for the ' WTF ' goal...well if you really watch there was no one paying any attention to him from nearer than five yards.

So this 'massive' restructuring is a mere figment of your very one sided imagination really.

Just onward's and upwards for the rest of the season.

Give over with the dodgy comments please

[Whiskyman]

[quote="mikeveep"


This is not so.

The whole back unit including Noble is in place for any system. The wide midfielders will be Ok in a less demanding defensive role, as will the striker.

All that's necessary to convert to a more balanced team is the purchase of two or three all round central midfielders, who can bring the ball out of defence with a bit of pace and pass to/interpass with the attack.

No great re-structuring necessary.[/quote]

Not too sure about that Mike. Imo you are spot on about us requiring midfielders with pace and, as you say, a minimum of 2, but ideally 3, are needed.

We also need a quality LB and a proven goalscorer (or two). Unfortunately knowing what we need and having the necessary funds to bring these players in are two different things.

The whole structure of our team at present is

[mikeveep]

I am not looking to necessarily improve our overall position..lower mid table..that WOULD take a fortune.

Any upgrading of Full backs or strikers is desirable under any system, but wouldn't be necessary for the purposes of changing to a more attacking approach.

Just replace the "specialist"midfielders we have and replace with all-rounders.

"Lumping" would be eliminated as soon as the midfield's ability improves.

[Whiskyman]

But don't you think, Mike, that if we eliminated lumping, which most I'm sure would see as desirable, we would need a forward, or forwards, suited to a more on the ground based game.

My point being that with Carroll or Cole as the focus there is little point in having the more skilful, pacy, midfielders you've identified.

[dagenhamJohn]

why not the pacey midfielders with Carroll and Cole?

we can always compromise our tactics, everyone says we are a 1 trick pony so why not a stable! :)

[mikeveep]

But don't you think, Mike, that if we eliminated lumping, which most I'm sure would see as desirable, we would need a forward, or forwards, suited to a more on the ground based game.

My point being that with Carroll or Cole as the focus there is little point in having the more skilful, pacy, midfielders you've identified.


The Forwards would be improved by having much more room,their usual markers having to meet the attacking midfielders. Jarvis and Downing receiving the ball further upfield would have more options and get to the by-line on a regular basis

Erikson Sp*rs paid Ai11m

Cabaya.Newcastle paidAi4/5m

Cazola. Arsenal paid Ai15m.

Modrich? Cant afford that one I'm afraid.

[Tone_Loc]

[quote="mikeveep"


This is not so.

The whole back unit including Noble is in place for any system. The wide midfielders will be Ok in a less demanding defensive role, as will the striker.

All that's necessary to convert to a more balanced team is the purchase of two or three all round central midfielders, who can bring the ball out of defence with a bit of pace and pass to/interpass with the attack.

No great re-structuring necessary.[/quote]
The "attack" which consists of our club's record signing who does most of his best work air-borne

[dagenhamJohn]

does most of his best work air-borne,

i can live with that 1!

[mikeveep]

The crosses would continue Tone, and would be more accurate, and hopefully more varied, as the wide players would probably receive the ball already in an attacking area and not along their own 12 yard line,so wouldnt have to carry the ball 60 yards before releasing it.

Carroll and Cole would be able to put away the type of cut back chance that Lukaku executed yesterday. They havent been wasting too many chances, there just aint been too many.

[palerider]

You don't need to spend a fortune to change your style. But you need a manager that will encourage it and a good scouting system.

I know the answer to the first part and I suspect it's the same for the second.

[Dailly___7]

Thought we looked OK and never really looked like we'd concede or score a goal other than maybe a 10 minute spell for us and for them. No disgrace losing 1-0 at Everton, though it was frustrating that we came close to getting what would have been a very good point.

Two things:

The Ref

Completely bottled sending off Barry in the first half. Our chances of taking at least a point would have increased massively playing most of the game against 10 men. The booking for Tomkins not long after was an even more ridiculous decision. If players are getting booked for making superbly timed tackles now, then the game has well and truly gone >:(

And the subs

Wasn't best pleased with Allardyce throwing on a defender at 0-0. Yes, a draw would have been a good result, but I felt that substitution showed a complete lack of ambition. As for the decision to take off Carlty within the first half an hour, I thought that was completely out of order. I was quite happy when I heard Carlty was starting a