SNP take money from a homophobic religious fundamentalist

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

We've had a thread on here about the Orange Order's contribution to the debate.

But are their views really any less acceptable than those expressed by the outspoken homophobic bigot Brian Souter in a free, just and tolerant modern Scotland?

[pwlp]

We've had a thread on here about the Orange Order's contribution to the debate.

But are their views really any less acceptable than those expressed by the outspoken homophobic bigot Brian Souter in a free, just and tolerant modern Scotland?

No.

[Lisbon_Lions_CSC]

We've had a thread on here about the Orange Order's contribution to the debate.

But are their views really any less acceptable than those expressed by the outspoken homophobic bigot Brian Souter in a free, just and tolerant modern Scotland?

The debate about homophobia is a continuing and developing one, Orangeism isnt. Its a dying, outdated and marginalised wee clique of fundamentalists and people who generally dont belong in decent society.

[BertrandRussell]

Basically what LLCSC is saying is that if he agrees with an intolerance - it's developing. Whereas if he disagrees with it - it's outdated and dying.

Interesting.

[Lisbon_Lions_CSC]

Basically what LLCSC is saying is that if he agrees with an intolerance - it's developing. Whereas if he disagrees with it - it's outdated and dying.

Interesting.

Or tae summarise, ye can educate and change a homophobic, something ye cant do with anyone from the Orange Community.

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

We've had a thread on here about the Orange Order's contribution to the debate.

But are their views really any less acceptable than those expressed by the outspoken homophobic bigot Brian Souter in a free, just and tolerant modern Scotland?

The debate about homophobia is a continuing and developing one, Orangeism isnt. Its a dying, outdated and marginalised wee clique of fundamentalists and people who generally dont belong in decent society.[/quote]

Interesting view there.

"The debate about homophobia is a continuing and developing one,"

Does that mean there is still some doubt about the vile and repugnant nature of homophobia or whether it belongs in a decent society? How long will it continue for? How long will it take for the dying, outdated and marginalised wee clique of fundamentalists that still support homophobia to come into the proper world? And in what

[BertrandRussell]

That's absolute garbage. I know a couple of ex-Orangemen, who aren't interested in that stuff anymore.

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

Basically what LLCSC is saying is that if he agrees with an intolerance - it's developing. Whereas if he disagrees with it - it's outdated and dying.

Interesting.

Or tae summarise, ye can educate and change a homophobic, something ye cant do with anyone from the Orange Community.[/quote]

That in itself is a bigoted post from an obvious bigot.

Basically saying that a bigoted orangeman is not capable of being educated while a bigoted homophobe is. :? :blue: >:(

[BertrandRussell]

Something almost H1tler-esque in LLCSC's post.

[Lisbon_Lions_CSC]

Interesting view there.

"The debate about homophobia is a continuing and developing one,"

Does that mean there is still some doubt about the vile and repugnant nature of homophobia or whether it belongs in a decent society? How long will it continue for? How long will it take for the dying, outdated and marginalised wee clique of fundamentalists that still support homophobia to come into the proper world? And in what way will or can it "develop"? Will we all decide that after decades of progress that homophobia is in fact acceptable after all?

All fair questions in the homophobia debate.

[Lisbon_Lions_CSC]

Basically saying that a bigoted orangeman is not capable of being educated while a bigoted homophobe is. :? :blue: >:(

Got it in one...:)

[BertrandRussell]

The Tims win a hollow league and go into superiority complex mode.

XD

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

Interesting view there.

"The debate about homophobia is a continuing and developing one,"

Does that mean there is still some doubt about the vile and repugnant nature of homophobia or whether it belongs in a decent society? How long will it continue for? How long will it take for the dying, outdated and marginalised wee clique of fundamentalists that still support homophobia to come into the proper world? And in what way will or can it "develop"? Will we all decide that after decades of progress that homophobia is in fact acceptable after all?

All fair questions in the homophobia debate.[/quote]

OK thanks for confirming that.

Thanks for confirming your view that there is still some debate to be had as to whether or not homophobia is acceptable and that questions about its acceptability are "fair"

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

Basically saying that a bigoted orangeman is not capable of being educated while a bigoted homophobe is. :? :blue: >:(

Got it in one...:)[/quote]

OK thanks for confirming that. Thanks for confirming your view that there are people in society whom is is not possible to educate.

Can I come back same time tomorrow for your Final Solution to the problem?

[Lisbon_Lions_CSC]

OK thanks for confirming that. Thanks for confirming your view that there are people in society whom is is not possible to educate.

Can I come back same time tomorrow for your Final Solution to the problem?

I can give ye the final solution now, leave them be tae wallow in their wee world of self obsessed, self importance, petty vindictiveness and the need tae inflict as much awkwardness on the general community as they see fit. They will be left even more marginalised as the rest of the world moves on.

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

OK thanks for confirming that. Thanks for confirming your view that there are people in society whom is is not possible to educate.

Can I come back same time tomorrow for your Final Solution to the problem?

I can give ye the final solution now, leave them be tae wallow in their wee world of self obsessed, self importance, petty vindictiveness and the need tae inflict as much awkwardness on the general community as they see fit. They will be left even more marginalised as the rest of the world moves on.[/quote]

And who do you mean by "them"?

Both the orangemen and the homophobes?

[Lisbon_Lions_CSC]

And who do you mean by "them"

Both the orangemen and the homophobes?

Anyone who doesnt accept their warped view of the world belongs in the dark ages, could cover either of the two groups mentioned.

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

And who do you mean by "them"

Both the orangemen and the homophobes?

Anyone who doesnt accept their warped view of the world belongs in the dark ages, could cover either of the two groups mentioned.[/quote]

"could" ??? :?

"either" ??? :?

So it may possibly apply to either one or the other (or neither) ??? :? :? :?

[Mook1]

I quite like Brian Souter.

[stewarty27]

We've had a thread on here about the Orange Order's contribution to the debate.

But are their views really any less acceptable than those expressed by the outspoken homophobic bigot Brian Souter in a free, just and tolerant modern Scotland?

Orange Order's contribution to the debate. XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD
XD XD XD

A bunch of Neanderthal knuckle dragging marching bigots are a "contribution to the debate" XD XD Oh ma sides,

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

I quite like Brian Souter.

Like??? :?

And you a good socialist ??? :?

[budgeover]

Basically what LLCSC is saying is that if he agrees with an intolerance - it's developing. Whereas if he disagrees with it - it's outdated and dying.

Interesting.

Or tae summarise, ye can educate and change a homophobic, something ye cant do with anyone from the Orange Community.[/quote]

The OO numbers grow by the month and year B) B) B)

[JimmyHaze]

Basically what LLCSC is saying is that if he agrees with an intolerance - it's developing. Whereas if he disagrees with it - it's outdated and dying.

Interesting.

Or tae summarise, ye can educate and change a homophobic, something ye cant do with anyone from the Orange Community.[/quote]

The OO numbers grow by the month and year B) B) B)[/quote]

thats no true its the opposite its numbers are declining every year

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

We've had a thread on here about the Orange Order's contribution to the debate.

But are their views really any less acceptable than those expressed by the outspoken homophobic bigot Brian Souter in a free, just and tolerant modern Scotland?

Orange Order's contribution to the debate. XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD
XD XD XD

A bunch of Neanderthal knuckle dragging marching bigots are a "contribution to the debate" XD XD Oh ma sides,[/quote]

Someone who supports nationalism talking about anyone else being Neanderthal knuckle dragging bigots :?

[budgeover]

Basically what LLCSC is saying is that if he agrees with an intolerance - it's developing. Whereas if he disagrees with it - it's outdated and dying.

Interesting.

Or tae summarise, ye can educate and change a homophobic, something ye cant do with anyone from the Orange Community.[/quote]

The OO numbers grow by the month and year B) B) B)[/quote]

thats no true its the opposite its numbers are declining every year[/quote]

Bull sh1t

[JimmyHaze]

Basically what LLCSC is saying is that if he agrees with an intolerance - it's developing. Whereas if he disagrees with it - it's outdated and dying.

Interesting.

Or tae summarise, ye can educate and change a homophobic, something ye cant do with anyone from the Orange Community.[/quote]

The OO numbers grow by the month and year B) B) B)[/quote]

thats no true its the opposite its numbers are declining every year[/quote]

Bull sh1t[/quote]

ffs why lie about it. You really think the OO numbers are growing? :)

[budgeover]

Basically what LLCSC is saying is that if he agrees with an intolerance - it's developing. Whereas if he disagrees with it - it's outdated and dying.

Interesting.

Or tae summarise, ye can educate and change a homophobic, something ye cant do with anyone from the Orange Community.[/quote]

The OO numbers grow by the month and year B) B) B)[/quote]

thats no true its the opposite its numbers are declining every year[/quote]

Bull sh1t[/quote]

ffs why lie about it. You really think the OO numbers are growing? :)[/quote]

Prove me wrong then

[JimmyHaze]

Basically what LLCSC is saying is that if he agrees with an intolerance - it's developing. Whereas if he disagrees with it - it's outdated and dying.

Interesting.

Or tae summarise, ye can educate and change a homophobic, something ye cant do with anyone from the Orange Community.[/quote]

The OO numbers grow by the month and year B) B) B)[/quote]

thats no true its the opposite its numbers are declining every year[/quote]

Bull sh1t[/quote]

ffs why lie about it. You really think the OO numbers are growing? :)[/quote]

Prove me wrong then[/quote]

where do you get the idea its getting bigger?

[budgeover]

Basically what LLCSC is saying is that if he agrees with an intolerance - it's developing. Whereas if he disagrees with it - it's outdated and dying.

Interesting.

Or tae summarise, ye can educate and change a homophobic, something ye cant do with anyone from the Orange Community.[/quote]

The OO numbers grow by the month and year B) B) B)[/quote]

thats no true its the opposite its numbers are declining every year[/quote]

Bull sh1t[/quote]

ffs why lie about it. You really think the OO numbers are growing? :)[/quote]

Prove me wrong then[/quote]

where do you get the idea its getting bigger?[

[truebrit178]

membership is up

believe me i know

[Mook1]

I quite like Brian Souter.

Like??? :?

And you a good socialist ??? :?[/quote]

I've met him a few times, don't know an awful lot about his politics.

[JimmyHaze]

membership is up

believe me i know

:D Its declining but believe what you want, it wont change anything

[truebrit178]

membership is up

believe me i know

:D Its declining but believe what you want, it wont change anything[/quote]

how do you know this

just to let you know, i have the facts and the OO is growing year after year

[budgeover]

membership is up

believe me i know

:D Its declining but believe what you want, it wont change anything[/quote]

Prove me wrong please XD

[budgeover]

membership is up

believe me i know

:D Its declining but believe what you want, it wont change anything[/quote]

how do you know this

just to let you know, i have the facts and the OO is growing year after year[/quote]

Dont show the clown the facts let him slavour XD

[JimmyHaze]

I suppose the Grand Secretary was talking bul**** - view external link (http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/regional/orange-order-has-34-000-members-1-4268026)

[JimmyHaze]

membership is up

believe me i know

:D Its declining but believe what you want, it wont change anything[/quote]

how do you know this

just to let you know, i have the facts and the OO is growing year after year[/quote]

Dont show the clown the facts let him slavour XD[/quote]

whos the clown now?

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

I quite like Brian Souter.

Like??? :?

And you a good socialist ??? :?[/quote]

I've met him a few times, don't know an awful lot about his politics.[/quote]

His politics ... :blue: - view external link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keep_the_Clause_campaign)

[Mook1]

I quite like Brian Souter.

Like??? :?

And you a good socialist ??? :?[/quote]

I've met him a few times, don't know an awful lot about his politics.[/quote]

His politics ... :blue:[/quote]

Given he's a Christian I'd expect him to go along with what the bible says.

[stewarty27]

I personally would love to see the OO jack-booting it through Edinburgh a few days before the Vote, I expect they would be joined by their friends from the B N P and N F !It would do the Yes campaign a power of good and would be Better Together's worst nightmare.

[Todders]

So it's not okay to take money from a man who lives in Scotland and has questionable views on homo***uality but it's absolutely fine to take money from a man who is not based in Scotland whose company has funded a mass murderer and war criminal and were found guilty by the UN for circumventing the oil for food program in Iraq?

[gersforme]

having a biblical opinion on homo***uality does not make one "homophobic", it does to the rabid lefties who conveniently forget the other mainstream religion's equal views on the matter.

as for the idiot who said Orangeism is dying, au contraire.

[budgeover]

[quote="gersforme", it does to the rabid lefties who conveniently forget the other mainstream religion's equal views on the matter.

as for the idiot who said Orangeism is dying, au contraire.[/quote]

Correct Ger

The ill informed clown aint came back with stats to suggest decline in the OO

Internet ersehole if ever XD

[psych]

The Orange Order has blamed an increase in secularism for a sharp decline in its membership in Northern Ireland.

Grand Secretary Drew Nelson said its Christian ethos was one reason behind its membership falling from 76,500 in 1948 to about 35,700 currently. - view external link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8126543.stm)

[Lisbon_Lions_CSC]

"Whilst the Orange Order in Ireland has been forced to admit its decline, the Orange Order in Scotland is still misleading its members and outsiders with its official figures. It is time for the Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland to come clean and give us exact figures.

Its website still boasts: a??The Orange Order has now been part of Scottish life and culture for over 200 years. That makes it a well established organisation. Yet, with an estimated membership of 50,000 and investment in a new headquarters and heritage centre, the Order is remarkably more buoyant than most religious denominations and bodies in Scotland todaya?? Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland.

Informed insiders know that this figure is a gross exaggeration of its strength. The Loyal Orange Lodge in Scotland is definitely trailing behind the reality curve. It is time for Loyal Orange Lodge in Scotland to come into the real world. The only ones it is deceiving is its own members.

Even the pro-Orange Ulster Scots website co

[Tain_Ted]

Most / all traditional religious organisations are losing members hand over fist. It would be no surprise if the OO membership was falling.

And thanks for that link to that website. Phil McGillivan has been moonlighting obviously.

[HamishMcalpine1]

There are a lot of plastic masons going about then,If those are the numbers.A plastic mason cant think of anything so sad,plastic masons plastic team no plastic for season tickets

[CB_1874]

There are a lot of plastic masons going about then,If those are the numbers.A plastic mason cant think of anything so sad,plastic masons plastic team no plastic for season tickets

Plastic brain. :/

[mitherzundhand]

I quite like Brian Souter.

Like??? :?

And you a good socialist ??? :?[/quote]

I've met him a few times, don't know an awful lot about his politics.[/quote]

His politics ... :blue:[/quote]

Given he's a Christian I'd expect him to go along with what the bible says.[/quote]

Are you saying it's ok to have a bigoted view as long as it's backed up by organised religion?

[Mook1]

Not really, no.

I don't find his views particularly offensive though.

[Poguemahone]

Ma old da was telling me at the weekend how as a wee bhoy he used to watch with delight as the good people of The Garngad and Townhead hurled the ashes and the contents of the midden at the dobs fae the tenement windows...thankfully that doesn't happen anymore and the inbred marchers are now just a source of ridicule.

[mitherzundhand]

A lot of talk about the Orange Order on this thread.

As an organisation are they any less credible than the Catholic Church?

[Sir_Walter_Timslayer]

Dangerous line to go down there mate :s

[arab777]

I know as if we haven't had tonnes of catholic bashing on here

[BertrandRussell]

A lot of talk about the Orange Order on this thread.

As an organisation are they any less credible than the Catholic Church?

We're getting to the stage where no-one is allowed to have an opinion outside the norm anymore. Dangerous for civil liberties.

[Tain_Ted]

A lot of talk about the Orange Order on this thread.

As an organisation are they any less credible than the Catholic Church?

We're getting to the stage where no-one is allowed to have an opinion outside the norm anymore. Dangerous for civil liberties.[/quote]

But it's only certain opinions you're not allowed to hold :blue:

[pwlp]

A lot of talk about the Orange Order on this thread.

As an organisation are they any less credible than the Catholic Church?

We're getting to the stage where no-one is allowed to have an opinion outside the norm anymore. Dangerous for civil liberties.[/quote]

Thing is no-one has stopped the OO saying anything, however, as much as they are allowed their views, others are allowed the right to disagree with their views.

It's an interesting one, when many of supposed extreme views have them questioned, and suddenly they scream about freedom of speech.

[BertrandRussell]

I wasn't really thinking about the OO when I made that comment. It was more a generalisation. Politics is becoming streamlined and anything out of the norm is immediately pounced upon and tut-tut'd to death.

I love making sweeping generalisations about other nationalities. I can see it being completely banned soon.

Meanwhile in Sudan, a pregnant woman is hanged for marrying a Christian.