The Tories

[BertrandRussell]

The longer they remain in power, the more unequal this country will get. - view external link (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/06/conservatives-public-sector-strike-ballots)

[BertrandRussell]

A relevant quote from the philosopher Bertrand Russell, "Advocates of capitalism are very apt to appeal to the sacred principles of liberty, which are embodied in one maxim: The fortunate must not be restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate."

[JimmyHaze]

The longer they remain in power, the more unequal this country will get.

I think its too late and everyone should take some responsibility for whats happened as a lot of people have jumped on all the selling of state assetts to give a short term rise in wealth and its this thats caused most of the problems and we should be wise enough to vote and protest on what really matters and not let ourselves be divided on silly little differences that are used to divide the working and middle classes. Difference is fine its the way its used by the establishment and the state that we should be intelligent enough to rise above.

[Elite_Arab]

[quote="BertrandRussell"[/quote]

Bore aff cecil.

[psych]

Bore aff cecil.

it was very relevant and profound quote. No wonder this board is allegedly going to the dogs if this is the sort of moronic reaction to something a bit more intelligent that the usual pish.

[rumandcoke]

Here's another quote fae a man who knew a wee bit mare about running a country than Bertrand Russell.

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

[psych]

Here's another quote fae a man who knew a wee bit mare about running a country than Bertrand Russell.

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

then lost the general election by a landslide to a labour government who introduced the welfare state and the NHS the crowning achievement of the British State who for most of history allowed its people to live in poverty while an elite prospered. A fine reward for the people who defeated fascism. The same structures that are being dismantled now. How wrong could a quote be.

[rumandcoke]

Why are so many people under the impression that Labour started the welfare state after the war?

[psych]

Why are so many people under the impression that Labour started the welfare state after the war?

the welfare state as we know it was introduced by the labour government after the war

Family Allowances Act (1945)
National Insurance Act (1945)
National Insurance - Industrial Injuries Act (1946)
Town and Country Planning Act (1947)
National Assistance Act (1948)
National Health Service Act (1948)

a socialist programme which began to transform the lives of the majority of people in Britain

[rumandcoke]

I dunno who told you that mate but do you know who really started the welfare state and more importantly who played a large part in forming it?

[scots]

Why are so many people under the impression that Labour started the welfare state after the war?

the welfare state as we know it was introduced by the labour government after the war

Family Allowances Act (1945)
National Insurance Act (1945)
National Insurance - Industrial Injuries Act (1946)
Town and Country Planning Act (1947)
National Assistance Act (1948)
National Health Service Act (1948)

a socialist programme which began to transform the lives of the majority of people in Britain[/quote]

Yep. But a far cry from where they are now. They promise to match the Tory cuts. It's time for change.

[psych]

I dunno who told you that mate but do you know who really started the welfare state and more importantly who played a large part in forming it?

these are acts of law. There was no universal welfare provision prior to 1945. It was Beveridge who recommended its introduction. Churchill did not campaign on its implementation. Indeed the tories opposed the creation of the NHS, the biggest single factor in improving the heath of the nation.

[psych]

a socialist programme which began to transform the lives of the majority of people in Britain

Yep. But a far cry from where they are now. They promise to match the Tory cuts. It's time for change.

Indeed. Labour are no longer that party. The Welfare State is being dismantled by the tories and labour are weakly standing by. Scots have the chance to sail a different ship in September.

[rumandcoke]

Lloyd George and the then Liberal Winston Churchill started the Welfare state long before the 1st world war.The National Insurance act which gave access to medical treatment, sick pay and unemployment benefits was actually started in 1911 by the then Liberal government NOT after the 2nd world war.

P.S. Maggie Thatcher didnae stop free school milk either.

[psych]

Lloyd George and the then Liberal Winston Churchill started the Welfare state long before the 1st world war.The National Insurance act which gave access to medical treatment, sick pay and unemployment benefits was actually started in 1911 by the then Liberal government NOT after the 2nd world war.

P.S. Maggie Thatcher didnae stop free school milk either.

These were forms of welfare not the welfare state.
Thatcher stopped the universal availability to free school milk for all school children.

[rumandcoke]

Lloyd George and the then Liberal Winston Churchill started the Welfare state long before the 1st world war.The National Insurance act which gave access to medical treatment, sick pay and unemployment benefits was actually started in 1911 by the then Liberal government NOT after the 2nd world war.

P.S. Maggie Thatcher didnae stop free school milk either.

These were forms of welfare not the welfare state.
Thatcher stopped the universal availability to free school milk for all school children.[/quote]

Well argue with the history books then.
Harold Wilson’s government removed free milk from all 11- to 18-year-olds in 1968 - view external link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/0/21048713)

[psych]

Well argue with the history books then.
Harold Wilson’s government removed free milk from all 11- to 18-year-olds in 1968


from your link

"Whilst the Liberal legislation constituted one of the most ambitious social reform programmes, setting a foundation for the modern welfare state, it still only made limited advances on tackling the problem of poverty.

Unemployment benefits were only paid to selected trades and not extended to employees' families, pensions were inadequate and free school meals were not compulsory."


As I stated it was not the welfare state as we know it. That was introduced post 1945.

[rumandcoke]

It was the welfare state pretty much as we know it now obviously it's been changed a bit in the last 100 years So Labour tweaked it a bit after the war and claimed it as their own?

[psych]

It was the welfare state pretty much as we know it now obviously it's been changed a bit in the last 100 years So Labour tweaked it a bit after the war and claimed it as their own?

no it wasnt. Again from your link

While these measures were limited they marked a move from laissez-faire politics towards the state having a more active role in the lives of individuals.

It wasn't a universal welfare state and of course there was no NHS

[BertrandRussell]

Why are so many people under the impression that Labour started the welfare state after the war?

the welfare state as we know it was introduced by the labour government after the war

Family Allowances Act (1945)
National Insurance Act (1945)
National Insurance - Industrial Injuries Act (1946)
Town and Country Planning Act (1947)
National Assistance Act (1948)
National Health Service Act (1948)

a socialist programme which began to transform the lives of the majority of people in Britain[/quote]

Yep. But a far cry from where they are now. They promise to match the Tory cuts. It's time for change.[/quote]

I agree. Time for Communism.

[scots]

The welfare state was set up for short periods of unemployment and paid to men only. It has become a monster and is socially engineering society (eg lassies getting pregnant at 16 to get a house). It needs changed that's for sure but the way the Tories are going about it is prett shoite.

[BertrandRussell]

Everything should be publicly owned. Privatisation is destroying this country.

[JimmyHaze]

I'm worried what sort of NHS we will have once the Tories have finished with it, they have had their eyes on selling that off to their pals for years

[BertrandRussell]

The Tories are going to sell everything off.

[JimmyHaze]

I think so too and I dont think people realise just what thats going to mean for your average person

[BertrandRussell]

The Tories are determined to take us back to the 1800s, where poor people die young and stupid because they don't have access to education and health services.

People who vote Conservative are evil.

[rumandcoke]

Aye They Tory b@stards they'll be putting bairns back up chimneys next :blue: