A Scottish yes...

[RedBasie]

... is what the Green Party would like. Apart from the fact that it has no Tory MPs, less private enterprise and economic fluctuations caused by Stock Exchange movements, economic policy decided by newspaper magnates and much more community involvement, a Yes would in the short create "Creative Chaos" which would mean politicians and the community having to think deep for once to solve certain problems, which could mean great new ideas coming forth.

[Trickytreesreds]

[quote="RedBasie" which would mean politicians and the community having to think deep for once to solve certain problems, which could mean great new ideas coming forth.[/quote]

The Green party?

Jesus wept, if ever they got near parliament, we'd all be paying 90% tax.

[RedBasie]

No wonder the Scottish Yes is accelerating towards a successful conclusion when they see a brain dead No Vote depending on the daily tabloids for their opinions.C'mon Tricky you can do better than that.

[Trickytreesreds]

No wonder the Scottish Yes is accelerating towards a successful conclusion when they see a brain dead No Vote depending on the daily tabloids for their opinions.C'mon Tricky you can do better than that.

What are you on about? The green party, in order to fulfill it's agenda will need a boat load of cash. That means taxes.
Most of it is a fanciful dream anyway. Even europe has turned it's ideas into a money pit.
Always made me laugh when the bright sparks came up with wood burning power stations. Brilliant they said, much greener. Idiots forgot to factor in the carbon footprint of felling, processing and transporting these splinters half way round the world.

Give them their independence they'll fail.
No pound
No guarantees
No Nato
No bailouts

We all know what a dogs dinner the RBS made of finance.
Give them 10 years and they'll be another Greece. Overspent, overdrafts and back over the wall.

They want cheap NHS? Coming from a n

[45red]

What I find crazy about this situation is that there is a vote in our Union to decide the fate of our Union, and not everybody in the Union is allowed to vote.

Wales England and NI should also be able to vote on any changes within thier Union

[Trickytreesreds]

What I find crazy about this situation is that there is a vote in our Union to decide the fate of our Union, and not everybody in the Union is allowed to vote.

Wales England and NI should also be able to vote on any changes within thier Union

Blair/Brown made the words England/English dirty words. Ask yourselves this.
How many forms have you had, where when asked your nationality/ethnicity, you had to tick a box with either
Scottish
Welsh
Irish
White British
Black British
Asian British
Black African
Black Caribbean
Pakistani
Indian
Asian/Oriental

Being English was made politically incorrect and often associated with right wing groups. I support UKIP at this moment in time. I have been called racist/a xenophobe/a third Reich supporter.
UKIP wants to remove the UK from the EU. It wants to put the UK people first. How is that any different to what to the Sweatys are doing?
If Scotland wants to go let them. They think they'll be mega ri

[Romanis]

No wonder the Scottish Yes is accelerating towards a successful conclusion when they see a brain dead No Vote depending on the daily tabloids for their opinions.C'mon Tricky you can do better than that.

What are you on about? The green party, in order to fulfill it's agenda will need a boat load of cash. That means taxes.
Most of it is a fanciful dream anyway. Even europe has turned it's ideas into a money pit.
Always made me laugh when the bright sparks came up with wood burning power stations. Brilliant they said, much greener. Idiots forgot to factor in the carbon footprint of felling, processing and transporting these splinters half way round the world.

Give them their independence they'll fail.
No pound
No guarantees
No Nato
No bailouts

We all know what a dogs dinner the RBS made of finance.
Give them 10 years and they'll be another Greece. Overspent, overdrafts and back

[Trickytreesreds]

You are correct 45. This sums it up.


First, this referendum has been a democratic disgrace from the outset. Not only were innumerable expatriate Scots in the rest of the Kingdom not allowed a vote on the Union that has benefited them all so practically, but the English — who subsidise Scotland to the tune of £17.6 billion a year according to the most recent Treasury figures — were not allowed a say either, as if the Union were about Scotland alone.

[Romanis]

I am sorry but I think both your arguments are flawed. There's little desire in the UK to remove Scotland, so this issue is non-existent.

This is a more like Quebec in 1980 and 1995, where the people of a state decided their own destiny. You can look at East Timor as another example.

Now do I think it fair or wise that the voting age is lowered and Scots living abroad be excluded? Well probably yes but at the end of the day this is an issue for the people of Scotland and no one else to decide.

Anyway TTR deems my views on the composition or make of HM's Govt is irrelevant given I am not a voter, therefore it must follow that his views on how the Scots decide are to be given the same short shrift.

And with that Mr Speaker, my case is made and I beg to move.

[Trickytreesreds]

I am sorry but I think both your arguments are flawed. There's little desire in the UK to remove Scotland, so this issue is non-existent.

This is a more like Quebec in 1980 and 1995, where the people of a state decided their own destiny. You can look at East Timor as another example.

Now do I think it fair or wise that the voting age is lowered and Scots living abroad be excluded? Well probably yes but at the end of the day this is an issue for the people of Scotland and no one else to decide.

Anyway TTR deems my views on the composition or make of HM's Govt is irrelevant given I am not a voter, therefore it must follow that his views on how the Scots decide are to be given the same short shrift.

And with that Mr Speaker, my case is made and I beg to move.

Of course it's non existent. Yet tell that to the power grabbers.
Salmond has just shown his true colours, by comparing the Scottish vote to the South African one , of q

[Romanis]

No need to get personal Basie.

I disagree with TTR's political views as well but I can understand his concerns.

The UK must I agree be more concerned with the issues facing the ordinary folks and ensure they are protected.

Anyway on another issue we can see how problematic it is when you change the voting system like what the Lib-Dems want. Alex Salmond would struggle in the first past the post system but preferential voting has put him in a position of power.

Most Scots I meet here think he's a fool. He may be 1 but he's smart enough to say and do things that people want to hear and that's the danger.

I think the 1 question the Scottish voters must consider is whether they truly believe Alex Salmond as PM is the correct man to lead an independent nation.

I find the thought frightening.

[45red]

I am sorry but I think both your arguments are flawed. There's little desire in the UK to remove Scotland, so this issue is non-existent.

This is a more like Quebec in 1980 and 1995, where the people of a state decided their own destiny. You can look at East Timor as another example.

Now do I think it fair or wise that the voting age is lowered and Scots living abroad be excluded? Well probably yes but at the end of the day this is an issue for the people of Scotland and no one else to decide.

Anyway TTR deems my views on the composition or make of HM's Govt is irrelevant given I am not a voter, therefore it must follow that his views on how the Scots decide are to be given the same short shrift.

And with that Mr Speaker, my case is made and I beg to move.

[Trickytreesreds]

Why good riddance, I'll still be friends with the Scots. You don't have to get uppity because you can't control and dictate to people. I thought you would have learn't that after your several marriages. It's called Freedom and freedom from excessive market forces created by the rich for the benefit of the rich is also very important for me and also for the Scots.[/quote]

This one post, sums up my opinion on you Basie, because you cannot get simple facts right when you are assassinating someone.
Please supply the evidence to my "several failed marriages".

Not only are you a liar, but you are an idiot. It's statements like that, that begin all the arguments in here.
For your info, I have been married once. I was married for 23 years, out of 30.
Grade one knob head.

Yes Romans, I know I'm being personal. But this plank cannot go 5 minutes without throwing one in there. Had he been in my local, he'd have gone through the window for that.

[Trickytreesreds]

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[RedBasie]

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If the Scots saw that, then it would mean more votes for the Yes campaign. When will you learn that type of insult only puts people's backs up, as does accusations of dementia directed against a certain class of people when you have no proof to substantiate what you say.:/

[essexred52]

No wonder the Scottish Yes is accelerating towards a successful conclusion when they see a brain dead No Vote depending on the daily tabloids for their opinions.C'mon Tricky you can do better than that.

What are you on about? The green party, in order to fulfill it's agenda will need a boat load of cash. That means taxes.
Most of it is a fanciful dream anyway. Even europe has turned it's ideas into a money pit.
Always made me laugh when the bright sparks came up with wood burning power stations. Brilliant they said, much greener. Idiots forgot to factor in the carbon footprint of felling, processing and transporting these splinters half way round the world.

Give them their independence they'll fail.
No pound
No guarantees
No Nato
No bailouts

We all know what a dogs dinner the RBS made of finance.
Give them 10 years and they'll be a

[Romanis]

Don't be daft. 1 poster made on a club footy forum is going to affect the way people vote? Do you realise how many thousands of people from both sides of the border have been posting stuff about each other, be it humour or insult?

Anyway if a Scottish voter is going to decide such an important issue on the basis of posters/memes etc, then there's something terribly wrong with them.

Finally you take offense when people mention age in a negative way even if it's just humour, then you go on to mock others for whatever reason. It cuts both ways. If you cannot take then you should not give.

I already told you when you were readmitted, if you don't like what someone posts or does, ignore it or him. But once you start with an insult or mockery, you cannot complain when the response comes in a way you don't like.

The board and its posters is what it is, you gotta accept it, even if it's not to your liking. Indeed some of the stuff TTR does is dumb, but I don't detect a malice in them

[Trickytreesreds]

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If the Scots saw that, then it would mean more votes for the Yes campaign. When will you learn that type of insult only puts people's backs up, as does accusations of dementia directed against a certain class of people when you have no proof to substantiate what you say.:/[/quote]

Don't play the innocent Basie. You are the king of snide jibes. I am still awaiting the evidence of your last poke in my ribs.

[Romanis]

Maybe TTR, you were right for once. - view external link (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/north-korea-backs-scottish-independence-4205239)

[RedBasie]

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If the Scots saw that, then it would mean more votes for the Yes campaign. When will you learn that type of insult only puts people's backs up, as does accusations of dementia directed against a certain class of people when you have no proof to substantiate what you say.:/[/quote]

Don't play the innocent Basie. You are the king of snide jibes. I am still awaiting the evidence of your last poke in my ribs.[/quote]

Obviously a chicken or egg situation. Who started it and who responded ? :P