o/t Racist Chelsea fans

[brassgnat]

... actually to be fair, these don't represent all Chelsea fans. but I hope Chelsea FC and football clubs ban them for life. - view external link (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/18/racist-chelsea-fans-push-black-man-paris-metro)

[BigRotherhamFanMe]

Hypothetical situation:

Lets just say they didn't let him on the train because they wanted it just for Chelsea fans or because it was already busy. Black man calls them racist. Chelsea fans mock him by singing 'we're racist, we're racist'.

Point is, you don't know the facts yet you want them banned from football FOR LIFE.

Perhaps 'facts' don't matter to lefty idealogues such as yourself?

[frogmiller]

Hypothetical situation:

Lets just say they didn't let him on the train because they wanted it just for Chelsea fans or because it was already busy. Black man calls them racist. Chelsea fans mock him by singing 'we're racist, we're racist'.

Point is, you don't know the facts yet you want them banned from football FOR LIFE.

Perhaps 'facts' don't matter to lefty idealogues such as yourself?

If they were taking the p1ss out of him then I reckon that they'd have sung with a french accent.

[John2]

Perhaps 'facts' don't matter to lefty idealogues such as yourself?

We have a video which contains enough facts to see you're being a righty racist apologist.

Even *if* initially they were just being confrontational and pushed him away because they were claiming the train for Chelsea fans, that is completely unacceptable.

However the racist chanting left no doubt and created an incredibly hostile atmosphere to the point you see a couple of black people jump off the train because they don't want to be trapped on it.

You don't have to worry about facing such hostility because of the your of your skin, but just try to imagine for a second you're a white person on a train full of black people who have just aggressively pushed a white person away and then started chanting that they don't like white people - try and consider how you might feel at the thought of being stuck on that train.

Its sickening, they have brought shame

[millertop]

If they were taking the piss (still some would moan) then fair enough but it does look like they were being racist which is bang out of order.

But I'd like to know why is it that it goes on all the time with foreign football fans but when it's us, it's like world war just broke out WHY?

[millmoormagic]

If they were taking the piss (still some would moan) then fair enough but it does look like they were being racist which is bang out of order.

But I'd like to know why is it that it goes on all the time with foreign football fans but when it's us, it's like world war just broke out WHY?

Well, it's us that's gotta deal with it, doesn't really matter what anyone else does or says

[gm_gm]

Its sickening, they have brought shame to Britain, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for defending them.

John, you have let yourself down badly here, a few weeks ago you stated that all muslims were not responsible for recent events, which most of us agree with...but now WE as a nation have to accept collective responsibility for how "some" Chelsie fans behaved.

This smacks of hypocrisy

[BigRotherhamFanMe]

Perhaps 'facts' don't matter to lefty idealogues such as yourself?

We have a video which contains enough facts to see you're being a righty racist apologist.

Even *if* initially they were just being confrontational and pushed him away because they were claiming the train for Chelsea fans, that is completely unacceptable.

However the racist chanting left no doubt and created an incredibly hostile atmosphere to the point you see a couple of black people jump off the train because they don't want to be trapped on it.

You don't have to worry about facing such hostility because of the your of your skin, but just try to imagine for a second you're a white person on a train full of black people who have just aggressively pushed a white person away and then started chanting that they don't like white people - try and consider how you might feel at the thought of being stuck on that tra

[John2]

[quote="gm_gm" Chelsie fans behaved.

This smacks of hypocrisy[/quote]

Classic gm, out of his debating depth, it didn't go unnoticed that you did a little runner after I replied to your post about use of the word 'probably'.

This time you've claimed I've said we should feel responsible for the racist fans. I've said nothing of the sort.

As an analogy, if someone used this incident to label all British people (including me) as racist... I'd say that's not fair. Just like trying to label all Muslims as terrorists is not fair.

We can feel ashamed that our country is associated with these racist incidents, just as Muslims are entitled to feel shame that people do things that cause their religion to be associated with terrori

[millmoormagic]

John2, wrong poster fella,it wasn't bigladonOS...

[John2]

John2, wrong poster fella,it wasn't bigladonOS...

Oops, good spot. Apologies big lad.

[fivetide]

However, John you said "the racist apologist right" which is also a catch all. I appreciate that this was in response to another comment but there are plenty of left wing racists too!

Personally, I don't think there is anything more to this than what it is, a bunch of drunken idiots pushing a guy off a train.

Do they want their own carriage? Dunno. Did they start for that reason and then start singing about racism when he tried again to get on again? We don't know so the incident might not have started out with racial motivations. It is also possible that he was pushed off for being French and his skin colour had nothing to do with it. Equally racist.

Balance of probability though, he was targeted because of his skin and it isn't really something that can be defended.

What did annoy me was Radio1's newsbeat interviewing a black chelsea fan who had been "subjected to racist abuse" after a Chelsea/Cardiff match.

Apparently they were singing the old "I'd rather be a p@ki than a taff

[John2]

Racism is racism and you can't just make it skin related if you really want to tackle it.

All racism should be avoided, but using the n word, with its brutal historical connotations and ongoing social impact, lower employment, lower pay, is not the same as say jokingly calling American's yanks. Racism is racism, but not all racism is the same, historical context and legacy is important.

[gorky]

[quote="fivetide" which is also a catch all. I appreciate that this was in response to another comment but there are plenty of left wing racists too!

Personally, I don't think there is anything more to this than what it is, a bunch of drunken idiots pushing a guy off a train.

Do they want their own carriage? Dunno. Did they start for that reason and then start singing about racism when he tried again to get on again? We don't know so the incident might not have started out with racial motivations. It is also possible that he was pushed off for being French and his skin colour had nothing to do with it. Equally racist.

Balance of probability though, he was targeted because of his skin and it isn't really something that can be defended.

What did annoy me was Radio1's newsbeat interviewing a black chelsea fan who had been "subjected to racist abuse" after a Chelsea/Cardiff match.

Apparently they were sin

[fivetide]

All racism should be avoided, but using the n word, with its brutal historical connotations and ongoing social impact, lower employment, lower pay, is not the same as say jokingly calling American's yanks. Racism is racism, but not all racism is the same, historical context and legacy is important.

Great so in context singing "I'd rather be a p@ki than a taff" is ok because it's not really that racist.

Probably a good idea to show us the sliding scale you are working to John.

[John2]

My post was only made in response to the part I quoted. Of course its not acceptable.

[villamiller]

All racism should be avoided, but using the n word, with its brutal historical connotations and ongoing social impact, lower employment, lower pay, is not the same as say jokingly calling American's yanks. Racism is racism, but not all racism is the same, historical context and legacy is important.

Great so in context singing "I'd rather be a p@ki than a taff" is ok because it's not really that racist.

Probably a good idea to show us the sliding scale you are working to John.[/quote]. Hate these threads ...
I'm having a chinky toneet ...is that racist ???? :( :(
And a full English in the morning XD XD XD

[mikemiller]

Comment from Fivetide "there are plenty of left wing racists too" - er, no there are not! What evidence do you have for making such a bizarre statement?

[fivetide]

[quote="mikemiller" - er, no there are not! What evidence do you have for making such a bizarre statement?[/quote]

You don't know your history.

Communism, that's left wing isn't it? Yes it is, no argument.

One Josef Stalin deported/exiled and sent to gulags millions, yes millions of people from races he didn't like.

So yes, there are left wing racists. To say that their are not is unbelievably naive.

Last bit for John - I know what you did re: selective quoting. That was kind of my point. You can't pick and choose and try to make a new argument while saying someone else has poor debating skills ;)

I'll just wait here while someone accuses me of being a google fiend...

[Brin]

Two found and banned for life tonight!

Good start...hope they speak French as we have a treaty with France to extradite so it may be either 3 years or a 30,000 fine for them...hope their a.rse is puckering already...no need for it!

[brassgnat]

I don't accept Stalinism as being on the Left.
Racism is one of the main weapons people in power have used to divide and rule ordinary people from fighting back and changing society.
It's interesting it is a posh kid from the city, shown cuddling up to Farrage, who was amongst the group on the train making racist chants.
I'm not niaeve to think there are no working class racists, but it filters down from elites and the privelidged.

[fivetide]

Brilliant. Communism not left wing.

I wonder if there is anything that can't be imagined upon educated people?

Interesting that many supporters of 'the far right' like EDL are knuckle draggers blaming their lack of education and employment on those foreigners...

The simple fact is the far left (Communism) and the Far Right (Nazis for example - a party that was meant to be a socialist workers one when founded) are in actual fact two cheeks of the same @rse.

Trying to 'blame' one group or another or even deny that a problem exists, is a huge part of the problem.

[stormmiller]

It's interesting it is a posh kid from the city, shown cuddling up to Farrage, who was amongst the group on the train making racist chants.
I'm not niaeve to think there are no working class racists, but it filters down from elites and the privelidged.So again you've judged and sentenced him just like the gutter press guilty by association so based on your standards of proof YOU too are a racist you've been around Rotherham fans when they've taunted Bradford so there for guilty as charged!
Grow up you dick! there is no proof he had anything to do with it but due to people like you he is suspended from work all for traveling with the group for safety there were women and children in the carriage English Chelsea supporters all should they be expelled from school for being in the wrong carriage? nice to get a political dig in there as well your comrades would be proud!

[gm_gm]

I don't accept Stalinism as being on the Left.


Stop it you're killing us...XD XD XD XD XD

This is one of the funniest posts ever, you are even funnier than John

[BigLadonOS]

[quote="John2" Chelsie fans behaved.

This smacks of hypocrisy[/quote]

Classic gm, out of his debating depth, it didn't go unnoticed that you did a little runner after I replied to your post about use of the word 'probably'.

This time you've claimed I've said we should feel responsible for the racist fans. I've said nothing of the sort.

As an analogy, if someone used this incident to label all British people (including me) as racist... I'd say that's not fair. Just like trying to label all Muslims as terrorists is not fair.

We can feel ashamed that our country is associated with these racist incidents, just as Muslims are entitled to feel shame that people do things that cause t

[BigLadonOS]

I think that the chant gives it away to be honest. The words "and thats the way we like it" tells it own story, there is no way that was a one off tongue in cheek reply to anything the black person would have said because to many people knew the "and thats the way we like it" bit of the song.

[gm_gm]

[quote="John2" Chelsie fans behaved.

This smacks of hypocrisy[/quote]

Classic gm, out of his debating depth, it didn't go unnoticed that you did a little runner after I replied to your post about use of the word 'probably'.

This time you've claimed I've said we should feel responsible for the racist fans. I've said nothing of the sort.

As an analogy, if someone used this incident to label all British people (including me) as racist... I'd say that's not fair. Just like trying to label all Muslims as terrorists is not fair.

We can feel ashamed that our country is associated with these racist incidents, just as Muslims are entitled to feel shame that people do things that cause t

[Bonneville]

Their behaviour was crap, they are crap and they spout crap, stop all this analytical bollox of who is racist and who isnt, they ll get the book chucked right at their sad little lives and rightly so, defending that kind of behaviour for me is cowardice

[walter10]

So Chelsea put Mourinho up to apologise and they invite the guy over to the home leg all expenses paid.

It cant have been a racist incident can it. Our are the racist apologists desperately defending themselves.

[ThryberghMILLER23]

Right I'm shocked at some people on hear. Firstly the argument the fans wanted the train to themselves, wot right do they have to go into another country and demand there own train? No wonder we are known as arrogant. Secondly why would a man on his own say anything to a load of fans to provoke them?. It was pure racism. As for the argument that other fans over the world do this all the time well I like to think that in our country we are making strides forward with this sort of thing were not a nation like Serbia. But things like this just show it will never change

[crashbang]

All racism should be avoided, but using the n word, with its brutal historical connotations and ongoing social impact, lower employment, lower pay, is not the same as say jokingly calling American's yanks. Racism is racism, but not all racism is the same, historical context and legacy is important.

Great so in context singing "I'd rather be a p@ki than a taff" is ok because it's not really that racist.

Probably a good idea to show us the sliding scale you are working to John.[/quote]. Hate these threads ...
I'm having a chinky toneet ...is that racist ???? :( :(
And a full English in the morning XD XD XD[/quote]




Nowt wrong with a Chinky mate, last time I mentioned having one on here , you would have thought I was a mass murderer. Some up their jacksie nobs on here.

[John2]

Nowt wrong with a Chinky mate, last time I mentioned having one on here , you would have thought I was a mass murderer. Some up their jacksie nobs on here.

Funny, you seem to think of yourself as some sort of anti-PC crusader gaining pride from 'sticking it up' people who find racist or ignorant language unpleasant.

Unfortunately for you, the internet remembers things and can show how over inflated your ego is when we look at the reality of your 'backlash' like you'd committed 'mass murder', lol. Obviously you posted it to try and get a reaction, and that's how you remembered it in your deluded mind... - view external link (http://bantup.com/rotherhamunited/o-t-just-knocked-a-chin-chinese-up/1965)

[crashbang]

Nowt wrong with a Chinky mate, last time I mentioned having one on here , you would have thought I was a mass murderer. Some up their jacksie nobs on here.

Funny, you seem to think of yourself as some sort of anti-PC crusader gaining pride from 'sticking it up' people who find racist or ignorant language unpleasant.

Unfortunately for you, the internet remembers things and can show how over inflated your ego is when we look at the reality of your 'backlash' like you'd committed 'mass murder', lol. Obviously you posted it to try and get a reaction, and that's how you remembered it in your deluded mind...[/quote]





Typical tool pulled a different thread

[John2]

Typical tool pulled a different thread

Records on there go back to 2013, that's the only post where you used that word in that time.

Let's consider the implications of what you say being correct... that means you still, in 2015, feel proud and recall as a highlight upsetting people on an online message board by using a racial slur in 2012... lol what, an achievement. I think that's probably sadder!

[crashbang]

Typical tool pulled a different thread

Records on there go back to 2013, that's the only post where you used that word in that time.[/quote]






You are a fool and a liar.
I was accused by more than one for being racist using the word chinky.


But as you know every thing in the world you must be correct.
I suggest you get a girlfriend, or have a session with a doctor who understands your problems.

Who said it was not before 2013

[brassgnat]

Didn't Marx and Engels say "Workers of the world unite" in the Communist manifesto. So Stalin was hardly going with that by oppressing national minorities.

[Rileyev2]

Fair play to the black guy.

Despite the carriage being full of football fans/hooligans/racists or whatever, some obviously being aggressive in their tone and behaviour towards him. He keeps trying to get on the train.

Plenty of people would have just walked away with their heads down.

Top lad!!!