OT Dennis Skinner

[scum_triumphant]

Kicked out of the House Of Commons today for calling the Prime Minister Dodgy Dave and refusing to take it back.

Video on link. - view external link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36017171)

[gramiller1959]

truth hurts :)

[jolly_roger]

I didn't know that dinosaurs could speak.

[Deepmidwinter]

Don't be modest Jolly

[jolly_roger]

I would love to know what Cameron's for Dennis Skinner is. XD

I expect Cameron is quite pleased with the calling, considering he's trying to deflect attention away from himself.

[crashbang]

I don't think D.C has done anything wrong
Legal investment. Paid his tax.
Skinner, sit down shut up.

[jolly_roger]

Thing is Crash this attack on Cameron is deflecting attention away from those that have real dodgy dealings in Panama.

[Amanda_Hugg_n_Kiss]

Real honest guy that Cameron. XD XD

[Deepmidwinter]

Kicked out of the House Of Commons today for calling the Prime Minister Dodgy Dave and refusing to take it back.

Video on link.

That's a really nasty insult. Cameron hates to be called Dave.

[jolly_roger]

Yeah prefers Devine

[Deepmidwinter]

Nice intervention Jolly

[millavanilla]

Few young uns on here..without people like the beast, youd be sat at home, screwed to the wall...because thats what tories do..screw you to the wall...one day people will get it...the tories arnt bothered about dumping grounds like rotherham...

[Deepmidwinter]

You heard it here first! Another Scoop for Millesmad

[jolly_roger]

Few young uns on here..without people like the beast, youd be sat at home, screwed to the wall...because thats what tories do..screw you to the wall...one day people will get it...the tories arnt bothered about dumping grounds like rotherham...


That's undoubtedly true but the Labour Party continues to provide a platform for left wing loonies like Skinner and Corbyn so nothing's going to change.

I reckon Cameron and his cronies must be stifling a laugh every time they look across at the labour opposition.

[hotun]

Bet that dodgy will stick forever,

[Pocket rocket]

Anybody who thinks any politician is honest is deluded.

[Ericsladkilnhurst]

Dennis Skinner " The Beast of Bolsover ", tells it how it is, met the man months before miners strike in 1984 at a conference in Manchester, very intelligent man, doesn't take any sh*t from anyone, including Dodgy Dave.

[mikemiller]

Well said Mr Skinner - just wish that the bunch of Blairite to$$ers who make up most of the parliamentary Labour Party could show the same initiative

[avondalemiller]

A disgrace to his "profession".......hope the people of Bolsover are proud of his contribution. Dinosaur springs to mind......

[tony260674]

To be honest I don't have the specialised knowledge to know whether what Cameron did was illegal, immoral or unethical. What I do know is that he lied about it, then he lied again and then he lied again. Now, I try not to lie in my everyday life but when I do it's generally to cover up something I have done which I shouldn't have. I am comfortable with his behaviour being called 'dodgy', especially given that Cameron criticised Jimmy Carr, Gary Barlow and others for similar tax arrangements.

[millmoormagic]

Kicked out of the House Of Commons today for calling the Prime Minister Dodgy Dave and refusing to take it back.

Video on link.

As much as i admire Dennis Skinner for his principles, he missed a trick here and allowed Dodgy Dave off the hook, he had a perfectly valid question about DD's profiteering from his personal house sales which the speaker wouldn't allow him to answer because of the Dodgy Dave jibe, he should've taken it back.

[John2]

I don't think D.C has done anything wrong
Legal investment. Paid his tax.

His financial affairs are not the issue...

If he'd been honest about them it would have been an embarrassment.

The fact he kept twisting his story and covering up is the scandal and one that could rightly cost his job. He's in hot water.


As much as i admire Dennis Skinner for his principles, he missed a trick here and allowed Dodgy Dave off the hook, he had a perfectly valid question about DD's profiteering from his personal house sales which the speaker wouldn't allow him to answer because of the Dodgy Dave jibe, he should've taken it back.

I disagree, he'd have avoided answering the question anyway and nobody would have noticed... instead everyone has now seen the clip, it makes Cameron look bad, and highlights the question at hand.

[tony260674]

I don't think he is in hot water John. The political classes don't want to make too much of this because even if they haven't personally benefitted from these arrangements, they will have friends, allies or benefactors who have. It will blow over.

[John2]

I don't think he'll go quite yet either, just this combined with EU referendum its going to be a lot harder for him to see out the year as PM. Don't be surprised to see his own party use it against him.

[mellowmiller]

It just shows how pathetically childish politicians can be hurling stupid insults at each other. Most of them would be an embarrassment in the playground although it's hard to tell if Skinner ever had an education!

[millertop]

Sense of humour bypasses some people.

[tony260674]

It just shows how pathetically childish politicians can be hurling stupid insults at each other. Most of them would be an embarrassment in the playground although it's hard to tell if Skinner ever had an education!

So you think a bit of calling is more serious than politicians potentially hiding away vast amounts of money in order to avoid paying taxes which they expect the people they reside over to pay?

[jolly_roger]

Which of them is hiding money?

[millmoormagic]

Regardless of legality, does anyone on here actually think that shoving money into off shore accounts to avoid tax is morally right?

I've paid my taxes all my life and don't begrudge one penny, never have, why do the better off begrudge paying their taxes? Also, very often you get the wealthy taking the patriotic high ground, well in my mind avoiding paying your taxes is the least patriotic thing you could possibly do.

[tony260674]

Which of them is hiding money?

I presumed you would understand the word 'potentially'. As I pointed out, I am no tax expert.

[mellowmiller]

It just shows how pathetically childish politicians can be hurling stupid insults at each other. Most of them would be an embarrassment in the playground although it's hard to tell if Skinner ever had an education!

So you think a bit of calling is more serious than politicians potentially hiding away vast amounts of money in order to avoid paying taxes which they expect the people they reside over to pay?[/quote]

Excuse me Tony but where have I said anything like that?
I just think the way that politicians, from all sides, behave in the House of Commons is sometimes pathetically childish. These people are supposed to be running the country (or wishing they were) and resorting to calling and stomping off in a huff like Skinner did yesterday does them no favours whatsoever.
If people in business acted like that they wouldn't last 5 minutes.

[mellowmiller]

Just a thought, but if Dennis Skinner thinks David Cameron is "dodgy" I wonder what adjective he would use to describe Tony Blair?

[tony260674]

They very rarely do hurl insults at each other because if they do then they are ejected (as Skinner was yesterday, nothing to do with stomping off in a huff). My opinion is that this topic will blow over because the political classes on every side don't want to upset their friends and benefactors who I believe are evading and avoiding tax. Mr Skinner has managed to keep the story going with his 'insult', however I don't think the word 'dodgy' is particularly insulting given the potential seriousness of the story.
I am also of the opinion that the House of Commons is actually far too civilised. The pomp and circumstance gets in the way of getting answers and holding the government to account. I am not saying I want them all to call each others, but the debate should be lively and rigorous, not about whether someone is an honourable member of a right honourable one!

[Redshank]

Regardless of legality, does anyone on here actually think that shoving money into off shore accounts to avoid tax is morally right?

I've paid my taxes all my life and don't begrudge one penny, never have, why do the better off begrudge paying their taxes? Also, very often you get the wealthy taking the patriotic high ground, well in my mind avoiding paying your taxes is the least patriotic thing you could possibly do.

The "legality" of tax avoidance schemes is a complete joke. We have the unbelievable situation in this country where the "big four" accountancy firms are advising the government on the drafting of UK tax legislation, whilst at the same time they're advising companies or rich individuals on tax legislation loopholes! Poacher - turned gamekeeper - turned poacher?

To make matters worse, the so called "financial regulators" have no real intention of doing anything about any schemes deemed "illegal". We're being

[Redshank]

[quote="mellowmiller" I wonder what adjective he would use to describe Tony Blair?[/quote]

Treacherous Tony?

[jolly_roger]

Rich Tony might be more accurate.

Now his might be a tax return worth seeing.

[rolymiller]

I'd settle for complete bas tard the way he let working class people down while he was in power but it still stinks what the rich on this planet are allowed to get away with evading tax while

poor people who dare to claim benefits are labeled as scroungers. How the heck can that be right.

[jolly_roger]

So this sending money offshore and reducing tax bills is morally wrong?

So it's ok to have a pop at Cameron and other similar people in public office?

What about "public sporting hero" folks like Mo Farah and Louis Hamilton? Would their financial arrangements stand up to public scrutiny, or are they too using legal (but allegedly immoral) means to reduce tax paid to the UK?

[Deepmidwinter]

If it came to a choice between Dennis Skinner and a bell end like Dennis MacShane, I know who I would rather have fighting my corner

[rolymiller]

Anybody who fiddles their taxes are wrong JR. Most people don't. But there is a difference between fiddling millions and fiddling a few quid
What is most upsetting is when politicians tell us the country is in the ****e and we all have to pull in our belts.some it seems have to pull their belts in tighter than others IE the poor.

[jolly_roger]

So the two examples I gave, it's ok for them to avoid paying tax but not for politicians?

Or are sporting figures exempt from criticism ?

[gm_gm]

Its interesting watching Skinner embarrass himself and his party....that said Corbyn being fined £100 by the revenue for his late tax return was funny, I bet his sponsor Tippex wasnt very happy

[Deepmidwinter]

£100 actually

[avondalemiller]

I'm in Southern China at the moment. Now I don't know what goes off here politically, I see an army of people sweeping the streets every day until about 8pm. Don't know what they earn. You don't see fat people, unless they're foreigners. The food is fresh and health, no E numbers and chemicals.
Every time Ive be been here and I come home thinking the same.....We have to stop giving people more money than they get for working for it.
We've now a new minimum wage and a recommended " living wage"' so that should be the rate people get paid......rant over. UTM....

[Deepmidwinter]

Were you working or holidaying in China? Whichever, I suspect you get more than the living wage.

[avondalemiller]

I'm retired, earned my money working 12hrs shifts.......and?

[Deepmidwinter]

And did you get paid more than the minimum wage?

[avondalemiller]

Don't think they're was one then but earned good money at Steelos, by working long hours

[Deepmidwinter]

The National Minimum wage came in in 1999. Even assuming you retired before this and knowing from experience prevailing wage levels in the steel industry, you were relatively well paid. So why do you think people should now settle for less?

[gorky]

I think Frankie Boyle hits the nail on the head...

"Perhaps we have all become too cynical. Why should we be suspicious of people who hide money deep within multiple shell companies on a tax-haven island with the transparency of a lead-lined coffin? It’s like being suspicious of your husband just because he’s hidden a second mobile phone in a box of Maltesers in his gym bag, wrapped in an old dust sheet, in the car, in the space where the spare wheel should be."

[Deepmidwinter]

Thanks a bundle Gorky - I now need to find somewhere else for my phone!

[jolly_roger]

Don't think they're was one then but earned good money at Steelos, by working long hours

You wouldn't get that now, you would be driven down to the lowest legal level of pay by employment of foreigners from the EU.

For example this site not being that far away from Stellos, see link to Rothbiz article - view external link (http://www.rothbiz.co.uk/2016/03/news-4801-unions-protest-at-rotherham.html)

[millmoormagic]

So this sending money offshore and reducing tax bills is morally wrong?

So it's ok to have a pop at Cameron and other similar people in public office?

What about "public sporting hero" folks like Mo Farah and Louis Hamilton? Would their financial arrangements stand up to public scrutiny, or are they too using legal (but allegedly immoral) means to reduce tax paid to the UK?



The point is, these type of 'legal' offshore tax havens shouldn't actually be 'legal' should they?? regardless of who uses them, as ie said earlier, i pay my taxes with pleasure, why can't everyone do that? What's your take on it, do actually agree with these tax loopholes? are you happy that someone who earns much much moe than you do actually pays less tax tha you?

[jolly_roger]

No I agree with you millmoormagic the offshore loopholes are wrong. My point is the double standards here, criticism of Cameron and co but hero worship for Farah and Hamilton.

[millmoormagic]

From my point of view it makes no difference, whoever uses them,celebrity or political, legal or not, is robbing the country, simple as that.

[Ellis_D]

Kicked out of the House Of Commons today for calling the Prime Minister Dodgy Dave and refusing to take it back.

Video on link.

As much as i admire Dennis Skinner for his principles, he missed a trick here and allowed Dodgy Dave off the hook, he had a perfectly valid question about DD's profiteering from his personal house sales which the speaker wouldn't allow him to answer because of the Dodgy Dave jibe, he should've taken it back.[/quote]

My gosh, something we really agree on. I too admire his principles, and I do applaud him for refusing to back down from a comment that I am sure, the majority of the country agrees with. I would have called him a cant on the way out too, for effect.

But I also think, that he had Dodgy Dave in a tough position, he should have backtracked and got Dodgy Dave to answer the question... He could then have said, after that, "Actually Dav

[scum_triumphant]

No I agree with you millmoormagic the offshore loopholes are wrong. My point is the double standards here, criticism of Cameron and co but hero worship for Farah and Hamilton.

Don't agree at all or worship Farah, Hamilton or Carr but I also don't remember any of those 3 running our country, telling us that we all need to tighten our belts or tell Amazpn, Starbucks and Google that they have a responsibility to pay the correct tax.
The comparison is irrelevant.

[jolly_roger]

No but there are many that actually want to give these people awards and knighthoods instead of seeing them for what they really are..... Tax dodgers

[redandgreen]

I assume all big lottery winners refuse the financial advice they are given to avoid paying more tax than they need to.

[millmoormagic]

I assume all big lottery winners refuse the financial advice they are given to avoid paying more tax than they need to.

What would you do? Here's the thing, if i won big money i'd pay my dues, anyone who looks to dodge is, like i said earlier, robbing the country, simpe as that.

[jolly_roger]

But that's the whole point Cameron HAS paid his dues.

[Deepmidwinter]

Is Dennis any relation to Frank? Perhaps the Speaker should have sent him to Room 101

[walter10]

So the two examples I gave, it's ok for them to avoid paying tax but not for politicians?

Or are sporting figures exempt from criticism ?

The difference is that two are sportsmen who live abroad. The other is the Prime Minister who has a policy that relates to closing tax loopholes.

[walter10]

Jolley - but nice try to attempt to switch the debate to a black guy and a Muslim who you have sl*gged off on on here before.

[Ericsladkilnhurst]

Hiding money, bloke last night on tele, known as Mr Khan who was a landlord, who overfilled rental properties in which living conditions were disgusting, end of programme, turns out the bloke has his business registed in the Virgin Islands, out of the U/K tax man's reach.

[jolly_roger]

Jolley - but nice try to attempt to switch the debate to a black guy and a Muslim who you have sl*gged off on on here before.

Sideways racist jibe Walter?

Yes I've slagged them off before because they are UK tax dodgers, that and that alone, but no doubt you're looking for those nasty racists so you can stifle comment.

[jolly_roger]

Hiding money, bloke last night on tele, known as Mr Khan who was a landlord, who overfilled rental properties in which living conditions were disgusting, end of programme, turns out the bloke has his business registed in the Virgin Islands, out of the U/K tax man's reach.

Here's some staggering numbers for you:-

The Gross Domestic Product of the British Virgin Islands is approx 1 billion dollars
The money stashed on the islands by Chinese and Hong Kong based individuals adds up to 700 billion dollars, that's an equivalent of 25 million dollars for every person actually living on the islands.

Meanwhile "we" chase David Cameron who has no money there whatsoever.

[scum_triumphant]

Jolley - but nice try to attempt to switch the debate to a black guy and a Muslim who you have sl*gged off on on here before.

Sideways racist jibe Walter?

Yes I've slagged them off before because they are UK tax dodgers, that and that alone, but no doubt you're looking for those nasty racists so you can stifle comment.[/quote]

Didn't mention Jimmy Carr or Gary Barlow OBE because we like jokes and bland pop music.

[John2]

Here's some staggering numbers for you:-

The Gross Domestic Product of the British Virgin Islands is approx 1 billion dollars
The money stashed on the islands by Chinese and Hong Kong based individuals adds up to 700 billion dollars, that's an equivalent of 25 million dollars for every person actually living on the islands.

Meanwhile "we" chase David Cameron who has no money there whatsoever.

How do you know he has no money there?

[jolly_roger]

How do you know that he has?

or is it the fashion at the moment to make things up and witch hunt with no grounds?

Whilst the members of the wikisphere keep targetting David Cameron the focus has gone away from the real issues concerning tax and the British Virgin Islands and the Panama information leak.

[scum_triumphant]

I'd like to thank Dodgy Dave's Mum.

when my Mum gives me a DVD box set for Christmas, I'm going to remind her that Dave got 200K off of his Mum.

[Deepmidwinter]

I'd like to thank Dodgy Dave's Mum.

when my Mum gives me a DVD box set for Christmas, I'm going to remind her that Dave got 200K off of his Mum.

But in 20 or 30 years Daniel O'Donnell box sets will be worth a bob or two

[John2]

How do you know that he has?

or is it the fashion at the moment to make things up and witch hunt with no grounds?

Whilst the members of the wikisphere keep targetting David Cameron the focus has gone away from the real issues concerning tax and the British Virgin Islands and the Panama information leak.

You misunderstand jolly.

You made the claim that he doesn't have any money in the British Virgin Islands.

How do you know that claim to be correct?

I haven't made the claim that he does have... the whole point of hiding money in offshore accounts is that its just that... hidden.

If it were not for the Mossack Fonseca leak we would have never have known he's had money in Panama. He failed to declare it on his list of registered interests. What else has he failed to declare?

If you want to compare the financial affairs of the leader of our country with an athlete, it shows the severe lack of comprehension you ha

[scum_triumphant]

I'd like to thank Dodgy Dave's Mum.

when my Mum gives me a DVD box set for Christmas, I'm going to remind her that Dave got 200K off of his Mum.

But in 20 or 30 years Daniel O'Donnell box sets will be worth a bob or two[/quote]

I'll take my chances with the £200k please

[ParkgateMiller]

Kicked out of the House Of Commons today for calling the Prime Minister Dodgy Dave and refusing to take it back.

Video on link.

As much as i admire Dennis Skinner for his principles, he missed a trick here and allowed Dodgy Dave off the hook, he had a perfectly valid question about DD's profiteering from his personal house sales which the speaker wouldn't allow him to answer because of the Dodgy Dave jibe, he should've taken it back.[/quote]

I would have called him a cant on the way out too, for effect. But I also think, that he had Dodgy Dave in a tough position, he should have backtracked and got Dodgy Dave to answer the question... He could then have said, after that, "Actually Dave, I don't just think you are dodgy, I think you are a dodgy cant."[/quote]

Excellent Elsie! Agreed mate! (Made me lol!). XD X-D XD X-D XD X-D XD

[ParkgateMiller]

[ParkgateMiller]

As for me ................. I'd just love to get my big C........(onsonant) ................... right up her V ................(owel!)

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