Scotland's skint

[54FairAndSquare]

If we were a football club we would be liquidated and come back as The Scotland


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37167975

[spameater1]

If we were a football club we would be liquidated and come back as The Scotland


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37167975

Would we get tae keep oor history?

[Rangersmandownunder]

The yessers should be shaking the hands and thanking the realistic sensible Scots that voted with their heads and saved them from an independence nightmare.

[spameater1]

The yessers should be shaking the hands and thanking the realistic sensible Scots that voted with their heads and saved them from an independence nightmare.

Aye deffo a pattern emerging here,everytime Ra Selick win or Ra Buns get humped it's aw Wee Nic and the S.N.P'S fault.

1141

[Taintedice]

The sectarian hun filth now lashing out at the country that said no to the sevco, this gets better and better XD

[Rangersmandownunder]

SNP independence blueprint forecast North Sea oil revenues would be just shy of £8 billion by 2015/16. Actual figure: £60m. Oooops

[Taintedice]

Why do the huns think iScotland would still be paying for England's illegal wars and useless aircraft carriers that Putin would sink in 5 minutes.

[Buc]

http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/revealed-the-accounting-trick-that-hides-scotlands-wealth/

[Arabdownunder]

Phuxsakes
With those stats it must have been Murray and wattie myth running the economy :O

[CraigieBuckler]

So this figure has been calculated whilst Scotland is part of the United Kingdom? Is that right? So the answer is - remain in the Union, remain in debt - stick with what you know? :?

[Sevvy too 2]

Would we get tae keep oor history?





Ha ha ha ha! ARF ARF ARF! :D:D:D good yin.

[psych]

Perhaps the OP can answer Why is a country that has produced such huge surpluses for decades skint? Surely all those revenues were reinvested in the country to make it an economic powerhouse? Or is the OP happy that for decades we were bled dry to build up The City of London in to an international powerhouse?

[ZombieSkelper]

Not everybody in Scotland is skint :)

http://i68.tinypic.com/vymop1.jpg

[Sevvy too 2]

Ha ha ha ha! :D:D:D:D

[stewarty27]

Ha Ha Ha knew Walloper and the Unionist media would be jumping all over this. But the Scottish people are not falling for this sh!t anymore !!The truth about GERS is of course that the truth isn’t known. The exercise contains so much guess work and ridiculous accountancy tricks that it’s worthless in terms of determining Scotland’s economic status. GERS attributes spending to Scotland in cases where not one penny was even spent in Scotland. The UK Government spends it on our behalf, sometimes in other parts of the UK, then bills us.

GERS cannot possibly predict what Scotland’s economy, or deficit, will look like in the event of independence. An Independent Scotland won’t be contributing to the upkeep of Trident. We won’t be contributing to English only projects such as High Speed 2 rail. We won’t be paying for defence projects restricted to south of the border.

GERS is created using data provided by London. The ‘conclusions’ of the report are pumped out by a media controlled mainly from London. These conclusions are then used by ‘proud’ Scottish Unionists to argue that Scotland should continue to be ruled from London. Its total bullsh!t ! Come Independence this will be totally exposed, So do yer feckin worst Unionist media Scotland is not falling for your lies and propaganda anymore Indy is coming ****in deal wi it Walloper !

[Taintedice]

walloper is quoting the bbc while all the other huns on wallow wallow are raging at it for saying rangers were liquidated XD

[stewarty27]

Walloper disnae mind who he quotes as long as its anti -Scottish. I suppose until independence we’ll have to put up with this annual ritual from Unionists. Proud to be Scottish … Proud to present yourself as a useless, sponging liability jocko that's how walloper see's his fellow Scots. the more dependent on others the better for him.. A disgrace to Scotland and a treacherous traitor. Disgusting creature.

[CraigieBuckler]

Walloper disnae mind who he quotes as long as its anti -Scottish. I suppose until independence we’ll have to put up with this annual ritual from Unionists. Proud to be Scottish … Proud to present yourself as a useless, sponging liability jocko that's how walloper see's his fellow Scots. the more dependent on others the better for him.. A disgrace to Scotland and a treacherous traitor. Disgusting creature.

Aye Stewarty but does he have any redeeming features? :D

[Bodie80]

http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/revealed-the-accounting-trick-that-hides-scotlands-wealth/ That article was from 2013 from a pro SNP website :zzz: XD. That's not like you

[Bodie80]

Aye deffo a pattern emerging here,everytime Ra Selick win or Ra Buns get humped it's aw Wee Nic and the S.N.P'S fault.

1141 That picture again and again and again, yawn.
We are not all bad just like you lot are not all good :D

Go on post another picture, please :O

[Bodie80]

Perhaps the OP can answer Why is a country that has produced such huge surpluses for decades skint? Surely all those revenues were reinvested in the country to make it an economic powerhouse? Or is the OP happy that for decades we were bled dry to build up The City of London in to an international powerhouse? It's done, get over it. You cannot go back in time.

Why is this old and boring chestnut brought up aall the time ?

[Bodie80]

And thank everything and abody that we had the sense to vote no in 2014 because we would be truely up sh1t creek without a paddle if we hadn't :D

[stewarty27]

Leaving aside the GERs figures are used as a political tool by WM. ?These figures have absolutely no relevence on how an Independent Scotland would fair, None whatsoever !
GERS shows how Scotland fares as part of the Union! (Depending on how Westminster decide to produce the figures.)
Soulution - Leave the Union!

If anything they strengthen the need for Independence

[Bodie80]

It's amazing how people see things differently Stewarty. To me and the many people I've talked to think it strenghens the fact for us to stay in the Union and weakens enormously the case for Independence :)

[stewarty27]

It's amazing how people see things differently Stewarty. To me and the many people I've talked to think it strenghens the fact for us to stay in the Union and weakens enormously the case for Independence :)

This has always been the problem Bodie. Always two sides to every story. Most folk in Scotland get their news from the MSM which is undeniable pro Union. None of these news outlets ever ever do a detailed forensic examination of these GERs figures.

Try and get your head around this analysis.. tricky I know but it make very valid points.

Scotland’s budget deficit remains at a little under £15 billion. As with last year, don’t expect a single news outlet to go one single step further with the story than that. Except maybe to say that oil revenue has dropped from £1.802 billion last year to just £60 million this year.

So what’s happened? Why hasn’t Scotland, which is “totally dependent on oil”, completely collapsed now that oil revenues have basically dropped to zero?

Last year, total revenues dropped by around £500 million on 2013-14. This year, total revenues have INCREASED by £181 million. In fact, total revenue is higher than it was in 2012-13 when we received some £5.3 billion in oil revenue.

It’s also worth noting that if you only look at GERS 2015-16 then it looks like our deficit has increased by a couple of hundred million in the past year but if you look a bit deeper, and compare the numbers to previous GERS reports then something interesting happens.

In GERS 2014-15 our deficit was recorded as £14.8 billion but in GERS 2015-16 the 2014-15 deficit has somehow dropped by £622 million to £14.3 billion. Essentially, this shows one of the limits of GERS in that it is based on sometimes highly speculative estimates which get revised over time. It may be five years before we finally know the “true” accounts figures for this year. This accounting adjustment is extremely significant compared to, say, our “budget underspends” but unless you’ve read it here I expect it to pass entirely unnoticed.

Now, what about our all hallowed GDP? It’s down by 0.45% from £156.784 billion in 2014-15 to £157.502 billion in 2015-16 (with non-oil GDP having increased by over £2.2 billion, the highest it’s ever been).

For me Bodie this tells me the Scottish despite low oil revenues (which are beginning to rise) is in pretty good shape.

[Buc]

Bang on Stewarty.
But nothing you say will change these locked minds.. they will never see the truth about gers figures ..

They believe in WM and the unionists front page headline without looking more deeply into what truth these headlines miss out..

The small print.it won't be a no the next time. Thank God for that.
Scotland will be free of Westminster shackles tick tock.:)

[Bodie80]

Bang on Stewarty.
But nothing you say will change these locked minds.. they will never see the truth about gers figures ..

They believe in WM and the unionists front page headline without looking more deeply into what truth these headlines miss out..

The small print.it won't be a no the next time. Thank God for that.
Scotland will be free of Westminster shackles tick tock.:) I would argue that your mind is locked though Buc and you cannot see the truth about how bad Scotland's finances are.
There is two sides to every story and I firmly believe the one that we are much better off in the Union, no ifs no buts.

It most certainly would be a no if there was a referendum now and the no vote would be even greater. My opinion. And I say thank god we did vote no in 2014 or Scotland would be going tick tock just now as we would be going bust

[stewarty27]

OK Bodie you tell us Scotland is in a dire financial state, In a resource rich Scotland perhaps you can tell us how we have become so poor. I really would appreciate an answer as I'm really struggling to understand this myself.

[Bodie80]

We don't have the income from the people or resources to sustain what the SNP are spending therefore we are up to our eyes in debt.
We would be in a worse situation than Greece if we had voted yes.

[stewarty27]

We don't have the income from the people or resources to sustain what the SNP are spending therefore we are up to our eyes in debt.
We would be in a worse situation than Greece if we had voted yes.

Absolutely ridiculous statement !! WORST THAN GREECE Are you serious !! not even the daily mail would come out with such nonsense, There are other countries with far far bigger deficits and not obviously bankrupt. The UK has a deficit of £1,8 TRILLION !!

It really disappoints me there are people like yourself Bodie who have absolutely no faith in your fellow Scots to take care of themselves and run their own affairs. The general consensus is Scotland has the people and the resources to be a successful Nation. Even the Unionists conceded that.

What you have to remember Bodie if Scotland is such a "basket case" this has all happened under Westminsters rule/control.

[Bodie80]

The figures that came out this week tells their own story and it's not a good one at all for the argument we would be better off independent. On the contrary I would say.
I'm sorry to dissapointed you Stewarty but that is how it is with me and thousands of other Scots. We are much better sharing the rewards and burden being in the Union. Things have changed dramatically since 2014 making it even harder for us to go it alone.
My mind will never change, that's the way I feel. :)

[stewarty27]

The figures that came out this week tells their own story and it's not a good one at all for the argument we would be better off independent. On the contrary I would say.
I'm sorry to dissapointed you Stewarty but that is how it is with me and thousands of other Scots. We are much better sharing the rewards and burden being in the Union. Things have changed dramatically since 2014 making it even harder for us to go it alone.
My mind will never change, that's the way I feel. :)

It does not bother you under WM rule we live in one of the most unequal countries in the world ? It does not bother you the gap between the have's and have nots grows everyday ? It does not bother you we will spend £2Bn on weapons of mass destruction when child poverty is at its highest since the early 1800s. It does not bother you Scotland has a Government imposed on it one it never voted for ? It does not bother you that WM has squandered Scotland's rich resources on Wars and tax cut for the rich ?

As long as your alright Jack the rest of us can get tae, Your a selfish man Bodie dwell on that for a while.

There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. Independence is coming its almost unstoppable now and propaganda like these totally screwed GERs figure don't fool the Scots anymore we've lived through project fear, I agree with you things have changed since 2014 every poll is showing an increased amount of people now back Independence

[Bodie80]

It does not bother you under WM rule we live in one of the most unequal countries in the world ? It does not bother you the gap between the have's and have nots grows everyday ? It does not bother you we will spend £2Bn on weapons of mass destruction when child poverty is at its highest since the early 1800s. It does not bother you Scotland has a Government imposed on it one it never voted for ? It does not bother you that WM has squandered Scotland's rich resources on Wars and tax cut for the rich ?

As long as your alright Jack the rest of us can get tae, Your a selfish man Bodie dwell on that for a while.

There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. Independence is coming its almost unstoppable now and propaganda like these totally screwed GERs figure don't fool the Scots anymore we've lived through project fear, I agree with you things have changed since 2014 every poll is showing an increased amount of people now back Independence Hang on a minute Stewarty, you do not know me or what I do so you do not have the right to call me selfish. That is one thing I most definitely am not >:)
I could call you selfish by not accepting the vote of the Scottish people and still causing divide and hatred in our country. I will not do that though as I do not know you.
As for independence coming, I would say not in my lifetime it's not.
All I know is you are passionate for independence and have your reasons which you are entitled to but I am passionate about Scotland being a part of the Union and I have my reasons for.
I can see quite clearly thank you. IMO it's you that cannot see clearly

[stewarty27]

Hang on a minute Stewarty, you do not know me or what I do so you do not have the right to call me selfish. That is one thing I most definitely am not >:)
I could call you selfish by not accepting the vote of the Scottish people and still causing divide and hatred in our country. I will not do that though as I do not know you.
As for independence coming, I would say not in my lifetime it's not.
All I know is you are passionate for independence and have your reasons which you are entitled to but I am passionate about Scotland being a part of the Union and I have my reasons for.
I can see quite clearly thank you. IMO it's you that cannot see clearly

Fair enough Bodie. I had no right to call you selfish and of course you're entitled to your views and beliefs, What disappoints me and with the greatest respect is you either knowingly or gullibly regurgitating the lie3s of the main stream media. A media who you must concede is very anti Indy. The GERs figures are a con! and I reserve the right to challenge these lies. Debate and truthful stats are fair, But being on the other side of the fence to you I have constantly got to challenge the lies and mis truths from the likes of the Daily Mail/ Express even the Record. Just a final point up to the referendum these GERs had shown Scotland in a surplus for 31 years but I bet you never heard that..... Years of GERS surpluses were dismissed out of hand when it came to the Independence referendum.
Yet suddenly, when we have a deficit, GERS are held up as proof positive that they were absolutely right to vote NO. Maybe just an equal playing field is all I ask.

[Bodie80]

Fair enough Bodie. I had no right to call you selfish and of course you're entitled to your views and beliefs, What disappoints me and with the greatest respect is you either knowingly or gullibly regurgitating the lie3s of the main stream media. A media who you must concede is very anti Indy. The GERs figures are a con! and I reserve the right to challenge these lies. Debate and truthful stats are fair, But being on the other side of the fence to you I have constantly got to challenge the lies and mis truths from the likes of the Daily Mail/ Express even the Record. Just a final point up to the referendum these GERs had shown Scotland in a surplus for 31 years but I bet you never heard that..... Years of GERS surpluses were dismissed out of hand when it came to the Independence referendum.
Yet suddenly, when we have a deficit, GERS are held up as proof positive that they were absolutely right to vote NO. Maybe just an equal playing field is all I ask. No worries Stewarty :)
You call every msm paper and tv station liars if they don't agree with your agenda. That is one of the problems with the SNP just like they don't take resposibility for any of their phuck ups. It's always big bad WMs fault or someone else's. It's never theirs. We are never ever going to agree, you passionately support the SNP and independence while I passionately hate them and don't want independence. I respect but wholly disagree with your beliefs just like you do mine. You cannot understand why I feel like I do just like I cannot understand why people like you and Buc think like you do. I would love to bang your heads together to knock some sense into them. Life goes on and unfortunately people like me have to live with the fact that the SNP will not focus on running Scotland properly and concentrate on another bloody referendum. Just like you have to live with the fact Scotland is still part of the Union and most probably will be for your lifetime. It's the way of the world. Anyway no hard feelings :)

[stewarty27]

None whatsoever. I actually enjoy someone who is at the total end of the spectrum from me politically giving their views and opinions. And your right we will never accept each others "dogmas" but that's not the aim for me. Its that people in the middle The reluctant NO voters the soft No's as they are called is my true aim. Had a communication from my local YES group we have been put on high alert for the up-coming IndyRef2 and I think we have learned a lot from the practice run. All over Scotland activists are gearing up in their thousands. and we know we will win this time. My only genuine hope is that folk like yer good self will get behind an Independent Scotland and make it the great country we know it can be. So for sure absolutely no hard feelings. All the best Bodie.

[Bodie80]

None whatsoever. I actually enjoy someone who is at the total end of the spectrum from me politically giving their views and opinions. And your right we will never accept each others "dogmas" but that's not the aim for me. Its that people in the middle The reluctant NO voters the soft No's as they are called is my true aim. Had a communication from my local YES group we have been put on high alert for the up-coming IndyRef2 and I think we have learned a lot from the practice run. All over Scotland activists are gearing up in their thousands. and we know we will win this time. My only genuine hope is that folk like yer good self will get behind an Independent Scotland and make it the great country we know it can be. So for sure absolutely no hard feelings. All the best Bodie. You're not going to win Stewarty :). if/when there is another referendum. And in the absolute tiny chance you do I'm afraid myself and my family will be moving down South. Practice run eh ? Once in a generation we were told. And I just want to say Scotland is a great country just now, let's not put that at risk for the dreams of some. All the best to you ana :)

[JackSnakes]

You're not going to win Stewarty :). if/when there is another referendum. And in the absolute tiny chance you do I'm afraid myself and my family will be moving down South. Practice run eh ? Once in a generation we were told. And I just want to say Scotland is a great country just now, let's not put that at risk for the dreams of some. All the best to you ana :)

No-one was told 'once in a generation'. That was simply a personal opinion espoused by someone and leapt on by the media.
Scotland will be independent. It is simply a matter of time. Those who do not wish to row the boat along with everyone else will be more than welcome to leave - to where, who knows. I doubt very much that those of us in England will want those of working age running away from their country. Hardly looks good on your CV...

[Bodie80]

No-one was told 'once in a generation'. That was simply a personal opinion espoused by someone and leapt on by the media.
Scotland will be independent. It is simply a matter of time. Those who do not wish to row the boat along with everyone else will be more than welcome to leave - to where, who knows. I doubt very much that those of us in England will want those of working age running away from their country. Hardly looks good on your CV... Well I believe it was once in a generation referendum. I hope and pray that Scotland will not become independent in my lifetime and as I said I would move my family down South. There is no way I would want to live in a skint, basket case Scotland after independence. My family's future is a or more important to me than my cv. I would get a job Jack, I always have. I don't sponge or take benefits from anyone.