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stewarty27
12-09-2016, 02:10 PM
George Kerevan: Atlantic oil could bring security to an independent Scotland
SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2016 - 12:12 AM GEORGE KEREVAN
A FUNNY thing happened on Friday to the share price of Hurricane Energy, which is listed on the London AIM stock market for small but exciting global companies. In February you could have bought Hurricane shares for 9 pence. On Friday, people were rushing to buy a piece of the company. Reason: Hurricane has just announced proof of a major discovery in the still-untapped West of Shetland oil fields that sit on the edge of the Atlantic Ocean.

For decades the West of Shetland oil field has offered the promise of a second birth for the North Sea oil industry. But hunting and – even more difficult – delivering oil and gas from the deep Atlantic sea bed is more challenging than from the stormy North Sea. The latter, at least, has the advantages of proximity to the mainland and sea depths which are actually quite shallow by oceanic standards. Which explains why exploiting West of Shetland oil has remained a gleam in the eye rather than an industrial certainty.

Enter Hurricane Energy. Hurricane is an oil prospecting firm hunting petroleum in an unusual place: the deepest, oldest “basement” rock formations on the planet – granite formations that usually lie below the normal oil-bearing layers laid down in the later era of primitive forests. Ancient rock formations like those West of Shetland, in fact. The ocean floor West of Shetland has some of the oldest rock on the planet, created 2.5 billion years ago.

The natural position for any oil-producing layer is above the basement, which has made people wary of committing to oil exploration West of Shetland. In fact, West of Shetland has some of this more normal oil-bearing rocks. Test bores have identified so-called Kimmeridge Clay deposits, which are responsible for the quality and volume of oil the North Sea has produced since the 1970s. But the major energy firms with a stake in West of Shetland have remained wary that there was enough oil in these Kimmerage Clay deposits to justify a major investment commitment, given the difficulty of getting the stuff out.

This is where Hurricane Energy comes in. Hurricane’s owners have been betting on a theory that sometimes the earth’s tectonic forces can cause disruption in the deep layers of rock. As a result, the basement rock layer is forced up by as much as a kilometre, like a giant piston. This process causes heavy fracturing of the granite. It also traps and concentrates oil from intermediate layers. This petroleum then seeps back through the naturally-fractured basement rock and accumulates in new reservoirs along the flanks of the underground granite “mountain”. And this oil is easier to get at.

This is exactly what Hurricane claims to have found West of Shetland. The company’s Lancaster well has revealed a column of oil 1,620 metres deep, only 620m below Hurricane’s first estimates. Which means the total reserves are likely to be “significantly greater” than the 200m barrels initially forecast. As a result Hurricane’s shares rocketed. The closing price on Friday was over three times higher than its 9.50p share price in January this year when oil prices hit their lowest level in twelve years at around $28 a barrel.

The moral of this tale dear reader, is this: Scotland abounds in un-utilised economic potential. We have mineral resources galore – though for the record I think our hydrocarbons should be used for making plastics and pharmaceuticals rather than burned off as greenhouse gases. And we have world-class human capital – three of Scotland’s universities are classed in the top global one hundred. Yet for two generations our GDP growth has lapped around a miserly 1.5 per cent per annum, half or less than similar small industrial nations. Leave aside obvious caveats: GDP growth doesn’t mean equal standards of living for everyone, and it often comes at the expense of the environment. But using GDP as a rough proxy, Scotland is not using its undoubted native potential to create the wealth we need to look after our old, heal our sick and give our children a future. Why not?

The answer is complex, of course, but it boils down to being trapped inside a post-war UK which subordinated actually making things to the paper-shuffling and obscene bonus culture of the City of London. Whether during our great Clydeside industrial era, or during the period when North Sea oil was booming, Scotland paid more into the UK Exchequer than it got out. But this largesse was not used to boost productivity or create global manufacturing companies. It wasn’t even saved for a rainy day, as they did in tiny Norway. Instead Scotland’s wealth – more properly the sweat and ingenuity of its workforce – was squandered on Thatcherite and Blairite tax cuts and endless colonial and neo-colonial wars.

If Scotland wins its independence in the wake of the vote in England to quit the EU – a decision based on social despair exploited by populist demagogues – our task will be to rebuild a once-powerful Scottish economy that has been systematically undermined by Westminster short-termism and the disinterest of London’s financial Mafia. Doubtless, various factions in the disintegrating British Labour Party will blame our weakened economy on Scots themselves, and argue we need London subsidies to survive. But that’s the equivalent of saying an unjustly imprisoned man should be grateful for the scraps he is fed by his gaoler, instead of trying to free himself.

Light beckons. The First Minister has set up a Scottish Growth Commission precisely to draw up a blueprint to boost GDP, productivity and trade. Growth is the only sure route to closing any temporary budget deficit bequeathed to Scotland by the economic incompetence of Westminster. Note: Britain’s (and Scotland’s) deficit is rooted in Gordon Brown’s unsustainable borrowing during the first decade of the century, compounded by the collapse in UK tax revenues following the banking crisis in 2008. The more recent fall in oil tax revenues has obviously complicated the fiscal equation Scotland might face in the immediate years following independence. But independence (which gives us the levers to boost growth) is the solution, not the problem.

How to boost growth? The era of neoliberal tax cuts and low interest rates is over, and anyway did little for Scotland. We have also spent too much time looking for magic bullets in the experience of other countries, rather than looking for a uniquely-Scottish growth path. We need to start by prioritising exports, because our domestic market is too small to keep us in the standard we aspire to while Scotland exports far less of GDP than other small industrial nations. That means funnelling more investment into export-oriented firms and creating a financial mechanism to do so. Indy Scotland will have to exist inside a global trading system but we may have to consider more state-funded enterprise if we are to reboot quickly enough.

Which brings us back to West of Shetland. The mineral resources are there. But let’s not repeat the mistakes made in the North Sea. West of Shetland should be developed and exploited by a state-owned Scottish energy company. That way we keep the profits as well as the taxes. And avoid those “made in London” deficits.

noahrab
12-09-2016, 03:25 PM
George Kerevan: Atlantic oil could bring security to an independent Scotland
SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2016 - 12:12 AM GEORGE KEREVAN
A FUNNY thing happened on Friday to the share price of Hurricane Energy, which is listed on the London AIM stock market for small but exciting global companies. In February you could have bought Hurricane shares for 9 pence. On Friday, people were rushing to buy a piece of the company. Reason: Hurricane has just announced proof of a major discovery in the still-untapped West of Shetland oil fields that sit on the edge of the Atlantic Ocean.

For decades the West of Shetland oil field has offered the promise of a second birth for the North Sea oil industry. But hunting and – even more difficult – delivering oil and gas from the deep Atlantic sea bed is more challenging than from the stormy North Sea. The latter, at least, has the advantages of proximity to the mainland and sea depths which are actually quite shallow by oceanic standards. Which explains why exploiting West of Shetland oil has remained a gleam in the eye rather than an industrial certainty.

Enter Hurricane Energy. Hurricane is an oil prospecting firm hunting petroleum in an unusual place: the deepest, oldest “basement” rock formations on the planet – granite formations that usually lie below the normal oil-bearing layers laid down in the later era of primitive forests. Ancient rock formations like those West of Shetland, in fact. The ocean floor West of Shetland has some of the oldest rock on the planet, created 2.5 billion years ago.

The natural position for any oil-producing layer is above the basement, which has made people wary of committing to oil exploration West of Shetland. In fact, West of Shetland has some of this more normal oil-bearing rocks. Test bores have identified so-called Kimmeridge Clay deposits, which are responsible for the quality and volume of oil the North Sea has produced since the 1970s. But the major energy firms with a stake in West of Shetland have remained wary that there was enough oil in these Kimmerage Clay deposits to justify a major investment commitment, given the difficulty of getting the stuff out.

This is where Hurricane Energy comes in. Hurricane’s owners have been betting on a theory that sometimes the earth’s tectonic forces can cause disruption in the deep layers of rock. As a result, the basement rock layer is forced up by as much as a kilometre, like a giant piston. This process causes heavy fracturing of the granite. It also traps and concentrates oil from intermediate layers. This petroleum then seeps back through the naturally-fractured basement rock and accumulates in new reservoirs along the flanks of the underground granite “mountain”. And this oil is easier to get at.

This is exactly what Hurricane claims to have found West of Shetland. The company’s Lancaster well has revealed a column of oil 1,620 metres deep, only 620m below Hurricane’s first estimates. Which means the total reserves are likely to be “significantly greater” than the 200m barrels initially forecast. As a result Hurricane’s shares rocketed. The closing price on Friday was over three times higher than its 9.50p share price in January this year when oil prices hit their lowest level in twelve years at around $28 a barrel.

The moral of this tale dear reader, is this: Scotland abounds in un-utilised economic potential. We have mineral resources galore – though for the record I think our hydrocarbons should be used for making plastics and pharmaceuticals rather than burned off as greenhouse gases. And we have world-class human capital – three of Scotland’s universities are classed in the top global one hundred. Yet for two generations our GDP growth has lapped around a miserly 1.5 per cent per annum, half or less than similar small industrial nations. Leave aside obvious caveats: GDP growth doesn’t mean equal standards of living for everyone, and it often comes at the expense of the environment. But using GDP as a rough proxy, Scotland is not using its undoubted native potential to create the wealth we need to look after our old, heal our sick and give our children a future. Why not?

The answer is complex, of course, but it boils down to being trapped inside a post-war UK which subordinated actually making things to the paper-shuffling and obscene bonus culture of the City of London. Whether during our great Clydeside industrial era, or during the period when North Sea oil was booming, Scotland paid more into the UK Exchequer than it got out. But this largesse was not used to boost productivity or create global manufacturing companies. It wasn’t even saved for a rainy day, as they did in tiny Norway. Instead Scotland’s wealth – more properly the sweat and ingenuity of its workforce – was squandered on Thatcherite and Blairite tax cuts and endless colonial and neo-colonial wars.

If Scotland wins its independence in the wake of the vote in England to quit the EU – a decision based on social despair exploited by populist demagogues – our task will be to rebuild a once-powerful Scottish economy that has been systematically undermined by Westminster short-termism and the disinterest of London’s financial Mafia. Doubtless, various factions in the disintegrating British Labour Party will blame our weakened economy on Scots themselves, and argue we need London subsidies to survive. But that’s the equivalent of saying an unjustly imprisoned man should be grateful for the scraps he is fed by his gaoler, instead of trying to free himself.

Light beckons. The First Minister has set up a Scottish Growth Commission precisely to draw up a blueprint to boost GDP, productivity and trade. Growth is the only sure route to closing any temporary budget deficit bequeathed to Scotland by the economic incompetence of Westminster. Note: Britain’s (and Scotland’s) deficit is rooted in Gordon Brown’s unsustainable borrowing during the first decade of the century, compounded by the collapse in UK tax revenues following the banking crisis in 2008. The more recent fall in oil tax revenues has obviously complicated the fiscal equation Scotland might face in the immediate years following independence. But independence (which gives us the levers to boost growth) is the solution, not the problem.

How to boost growth? The era of neoliberal tax cuts and low interest rates is over, and anyway did little for Scotland. We have also spent too much time looking for magic bullets in the experience of other countries, rather than looking for a uniquely-Scottish growth path. We need to start by prioritising exports, because our domestic market is too small to keep us in the standard we aspire to while Scotland exports far less of GDP than other small industrial nations. That means funnelling more investment into export-oriented firms and creating a financial mechanism to do so. Indy Scotland will have to exist inside a global trading system but we may have to consider more state-funded enterprise if we are to reboot quickly enough.

Which brings us back to West of Shetland. The mineral resources are there. But let’s not repeat the mistakes made in the North Sea. West of Shetland should be developed and exploited by a state-owned Scottish energy company. That way we keep the profits as well as the taxes. And avoid those “made in London” deficits.

So an SNP MP now wants to nationalise the oil industry XD XD XD

JackSnakes
12-09-2016, 04:01 PM
So an SNP MP now wants to nationalise the oil industry XD XD XD

I have to say I am a fan of nationalisation over privatisation.
I simply cannot understand why a government should sell, to the private sector, such goldmines as water, gas, electricity, trains, the post office etc.
I understand that when the government is your boss, it seems that the workforce is made up of workshy fat union members who do nothing but smoke fags and play cards all day, and try to skim as much cash from their employers as possible. I would hope that these days, government employees would see their duty lies in doing their fair share thereby enabling all to prosper, and not just a few fat cat bosses.
A state-owned oil exploration firm may or may not be the answer but, since this Hurricane lot are already running in the race, a state-owned firm wouldn't even get out of the starting blocks before the contest was over

stewarty27
20-09-2016, 07:09 PM
Will Westminster steal this also.. Or will us Scots finally grow a backbone ?

http://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news/highlights/7297/new-shetland-gas-field-could-supply-100-demand-for-scotland/#.V-Br27B5N7B.twitter

Buc
21-09-2016, 02:15 PM
Will Westminster steal this also.. Or will us Scots finally grow a backbone ?

http://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news/highlights/7297/new-shetland-gas-field-could-supply-100-demand-for-scotland/#.V-Br27B5N7B.twitter

Aye as always but that's fine by our unionists on here .

Bodie80
22-09-2016, 11:58 AM
How can something be stolen that is not even at the stage at it can be stolen and also when it is (if ever it is ) it be stolen when it is in British waters ? You cannot steal something that belongs to you :)

noahrab
23-09-2016, 04:52 AM
How can something be stolen that is not even at the stage at it can be stolen and also when it is (if ever it is ) it be stolen when it is in British waters ? You cannot steal something that belongs to you :)

DABmo, these 2 jokers think we'll benefit from 5billion from the whisky industry and want to nationalise the oil industry.

stewarty27
23-09-2016, 07:36 AM
Scotland the only Country in the whole wurld.... To strike Oil and get poorer.

Even at today's prices which are beginning to rise Scotland would be 60 Million better off.

Another point to remember oil revenues would benefit 5.3 Million population as opposed to 55 Million

A couple of years ago a report by accountancy firm Grant Thornton shows that if an Independent Scotland received only 82.5% of North Sea Oil and Gas revenues Scotland would have a budget surplus of £4.4 billion, with 95% of revenues this would increase to £6.2 billion. It is abundantly clear that Westminster’s financial black hole is being filled with Scotland’s black, black oil. It is very simple even you if you allow yourself Paddy might just get that thick bonce O yours round it.

But and here's the rub even WITHOUT this rich resource Scotland would be a viable financial success.

stewarty27
23-09-2016, 07:38 AM
So an SNP MP now wants to nationalise the oil industry XD XD XD

Ever heard of Statoil Thickstuff ? look it up.

noahrab
23-09-2016, 10:01 AM
Scotland the only Country in the whole wurld.... To strike Oil and get poorer.

Even at today's prices which are beginning to rise Scotland would be 60 Million better off.

Another point to remember oil revenues would benefit 5.3 Million population as opposed to 55 Million

A couple of years ago a report by accountancy firm Grant Thornton shows that if an Independent Scotland received only 82.5% of North Sea Oil and Gas revenues Scotland would have a budget surplus of £4.4 billion, with 95% of revenues this would increase to £6.2 billion. It is abundantly clear that Westminster’s financial black hole is being filled with Scotland’s black, black oil. It is very simple even you if you allow yourself Paddy might just get that thick bonce O yours round it.

But and here's the rub even WITHOUT this rich resource Scotland would be a viable financial success.

More backward looking from wee stuarty.

noahrab
23-09-2016, 10:05 AM
Ever heard of Statoil Thickstuff ? look it up.

I don't do what you tell me. I doubt anyone does.

So, is it SNP policy to nationalise the oil industry in Scotland?

Bodie80
23-09-2016, 11:02 AM
DABmo, these 2 jokers think we'll benefit from 5billion from the whisky industry and want to nationalise the oil industry. Ah well everything will be fine then

Bodie80
23-09-2016, 11:05 AM
Scotland the only Country in the whole wurld.... To strike Oil and get poorer.

Even at today's prices which are beginning to rise Scotland would be 60 Million better off.

Another point to remember oil revenues would benefit 5.3 Million population as opposed to 55 Million

A couple of years ago a report by accountancy firm Grant Thornton shows that if an Independent Scotland received only 82.5% of North Sea Oil and Gas revenues Scotland would have a budget surplus of £4.4 billion, with 95% of revenues this would increase to £6.2 billion. It is abundantly clear that Westminster’s financial black hole is being filled with Scotland’s black, black oil. It is very simple even you if you allow yourself Paddy might just get that thick bonce O yours round it.

But and here's the rub even WITHOUT this rich resource Scotland would be a viable financial success. Why do you Nats bring this up all the time ? Its in the past

Bodie80
23-09-2016, 11:12 AM
More backward looking from wee stuarty. They love looking back Noaharab :)

Bodie80
23-09-2016, 11:17 AM
Aye as always but that's fine by our unionists on here . Aye it's magic Buc :) Managing to steal something that is ours anyway :O. :? B)

stewarty27
23-09-2016, 11:32 AM
The difference between Nero and Zero and Buc and I is .. We believe in our country we believe in our fellow Scots who have the skills the ability and resources to make this a fantastic, wealthy, fairer, Country. Just wondering if Nero&Zero get their next door neighbours to run their households for them pay their bill etc. drag them into fights wi the mannie doon the road They seem comfortable with that arrangement.

noahrab
23-09-2016, 03:32 PM
The difference between Nero and Zero and Buc and I is .. We believe in our country we believe in our fellow Scots who have the skills the ability and resources to make this a fantastic, wealthy, fairer, Country. Just wondering if Nero&Zero get their next door neighbours to run their households for them pay their bill etc. drag them into fights wi the mannie doon the road They seem comfortable with that arrangement.


Give it it up son.

Yer making yersel look dafter wi every post.

stewarty27
23-09-2016, 04:25 PM
Give it it up son.

Yer making yersel look dafter wi every post.

Lol you know fine I will never ever give it up. Seems to me I'm the only one posting positive and enlightening stuff. You on the other hand just sit on the sidelines carping negatives and just repeating the same stuff "too wee" Too small" Too daft" An example of your closed mind... I start a thread about about a multi billion pound oil&gas discovery west of Shetland and a company has found a way to extract it.... And you say I'm looking back !!!! I point out to you that Norway have their state owned oil company and you convert that into Ah the SNP want to nationalise the whole oil &gas sector. You put absolutely no arguments of your own you just slap down mine without any thought or consideration. And you say Im the one looking daft ? !! have a wee think about that ..and FFS don't call me son

stewarty27
23-09-2016, 04:56 PM
I have to say I am a fan of nationalisation over privatisation.
I simply cannot understand why a government should sell, to the private sector, such goldmines as water, gas, electricity, trains, the post office etc.
I understand that when the government is your boss, it seems that the workforce is made up of workshy fat union members who do nothing but smoke fags and play cards all day, and try to skim as much cash from their employers as possible. I would hope that these days, government employees would see their duty lies in doing their fair share thereby enabling all to prosper, and not just a few fat cat bosses.
A state-owned oil exploration firm may or may not be the answer but, since this Hurricane lot are already running in the race, a state-owned firm wouldn't even get out of the starting blocks before the contest was over

Thing is Jack this is not "nationalisation" the point I was trying to get over The Scottish people would own this new field. Just as Norway did at the outset of Oil. A company called Statoil.. And Statoil is ranked by Forbes Magazine (2013) as the world's eleventh largest oil and gas company and the twenty-sixth largest company, regardless of industry, by profit in the world. The company has about 23,000 employees. If we were to takeover BP that would be nationalisation. But try getting that across to the closed-minded obstinate detractors on here.

As for your final point Hurricane is a mid to long term project if we were to go for Independence in the next 3-6 years we would be right in there on the ground floor.

noahrab
24-09-2016, 05:00 AM
Lol you know fine I will never ever give it up. Seems to me I'm the only one posting positive and enlightening stuff. You on the other hand just sit on the sidelines carping negatives and just repeating the same stuff "too wee" Too small" Too daft" An example of your closed mind... I start a thread about about a multi billion pound oil&gas discovery west of Shetland and a company has found a way to extract it.... And you say I'm looking back !!!! I point out to you that Norway have their state owned oil company and you convert that into Ah the SNP want to nationalise the whole oil &gas sector. You put absolutely no arguments of your own you just slap down mine without any thought or consideration. And you say Im the one looking daft ? !! have a wee think about that ..and FFS don't call me son

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Which brings us back to West of Shetland. The mineral resources are there. But let’s not repeat the mistakes made in the North Sea. West of Shetland should be developed and exploited by a state-owned Scottish energy company. That way we keep the profits as well as the taxes. And avoid those “made in London” deficits."

Seems like the SNP want to nationalise it son.

If you just cut and paste any old shyte without reading it yer going to look pretty daft when it's used against you.

Try again son.

stewarty27
24-09-2016, 08:29 PM
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Which brings us back to West of Shetland. The mineral resources are there. But let’s not repeat the mistakes made in the North Sea. West of Shetland should be developed and exploited by a state-owned Scottish energy company. That way we keep the profits as well as the taxes. And avoid those “made in London” deficits."

Seems like the SNP want to nationalise it son.

If you just cut and paste any old shyte without reading it yer going to look pretty daft when it's used against you.

Try again son.

Jezzo Noah please actually read what I'm saying nobody but nobody is mentioning Nationalising the Oil industry except you. What Im advocating is Scotland having a state own oil company. As the W Shetland field is opened up we get in there at the ground floor just as Norway did with Statoil.

noahrab
24-09-2016, 08:40 PM
Jezzo Noah please actually read what I'm saying nobody but nobody is mentioning Nationalising the Oil industry except you. What Im advocating is Scotland having a state own oil company. As the W Shetland field is opened up we get in there at the ground floor just as Norway did with Statoil.

You're advocating phuck all.

Its yet ANOTHER cut and paste job from some propoganda website son and you phuckin know it.

stewarty27
25-09-2016, 11:12 AM
In the event of an Independent Scotland do you think it would be a good idea for a state owned Oil & Gas company. One that would benefit the whole of Scotland. Yes or No ?

noahrab
25-09-2016, 03:53 PM
In the event of an Independent Scotland do you think it would be a good idea for a state owned Oil & Gas company. One that would benefit the whole of Scotland. Yes or No ?


Would whisky generate 5billion in tax revenue to an iScotland?

You ignored that earlier.

stewarty27
25-09-2016, 04:32 PM
Would whisky generate 5billion in tax revenue to an iScotland?

You ignored that earlier.

Sorry I don't remember saying anything about whisky revenues. Can you point it out for me ? Not saying your making it up just don't remember.

stewarty27
25-09-2016, 05:41 PM
Ah found it on a different thread. Its about £4 billion a year in gross value added to the economy, That's a huge benefit to a country of only 5 Million as opposed to 55 Million. But if you think that's a bad thing what can I say.

What sort of economy do you think we need to be a viable Independent country ? Be interested to hear what you think.

icrfc
28-09-2016, 01:45 AM
Scotland the only Country in the whole wurld.... To strike Oil and get poorer.



Venezuela?

noahrab
28-09-2016, 05:11 AM
Venezuela?


Don't confuse wee stuarty with facts.

JackSnakes
28-09-2016, 09:26 AM
Don't confuse wee stuarty with facts.

A wee bit like the other side and direct questions?
Perhaps you could answer a question each - that would be a little more informative than sniping :)

stewarty27
28-09-2016, 09:26 AM
Venezuela?

Technically Venezuela is far richer than many many countries. But because of economic mismanagement on a world-historical scale they phucked it up. Scotland on the other hand has a very diverse economy where Oil & Gas are a bit of a bonus. I'll post a link for you have a read very interesting. Don't you C***ts just love putting Scotland down.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/21/venezuela-should-be-rich-but-its-government-has-destroyed-its-economy/

stewarty27
29-09-2016, 08:16 PM
Ah found it on a different thread. Its about £4 billion a year in gross value added to the economy, That's a huge benefit to a country of only 5 Million as opposed to 55 Million. But if you think that's a bad thing what can I say.

What sort of economy do you think we need to be a viable Independent country ? Be interested to hear what you think.

No reply from the Britnat fanatic Rule Britannia eh Paddy