Sheffield Wednesday(away)predictions

[robinrover]

I have big fears for this game
we will be on the receiving end of a good stuffing and with United to follow a dark cloud may be hard to shift.
6-0 loss

[Despair]

But this is the Championship where anyone can beat anyone.
Added to which we constantly underperform against the lower sides and often over perform against the upper.
So I do not think its a given that we'll be hammered.
Having said that, the very obvious increasing (public) turmoil at the club cannot be doing us any good whatsoever.
I have no definitive idea of OC's 'mindset' at this time, but I am fairly sure it will be having some effect upon his deliberations day to day.
IF, the squad are fully behind him, I would not at all be surprised for us to take something from the game.
If not....?

So I'll gamble with a 2 - 2 !

JR will more than likely score as he's back to his level.

[AucklandRover]

Bad feeling about this one. They're on a roll.
3-1 defeat.

[Despair]

Well HTFA (aka Aucks), just read your 'jousting' with the knowledgable horde on LT !

I really think you're wasting your time there. There are a few that have a balanced reasoned viewpoint upon the whole sorry situation. One in particular that gets an awful lot of abusive stick, even though he agrees OC is the wrong man. But, is also rational enough to recognise that the mess that is our club now, is unfortunately in bargain basement territory.
I have no sympathy whatsoever with those that have earlier celebrated BFC's dire struggles back then, and now the boots on the other foot just cannot accept our turn to try and turn the tide.
And with that the returned 'complement' from their similar minded BFC supporter who gleefully 'rubs it in'. Eg the goading that OC is 'doing the bidding' of his BFC connection is bizarre in the extreme and responded to by our equally challenged supporter in calling for his head based upon this !
The woeful attempts at repelling this onslaught is basically feeble, they should just man up and take it.
OC is basically within our price range, and as such is found wanting, this not helped in the slightest by our current plight and the people running the show - it's as simple as that.

[AucklandRover]

Well HTFA (aka Aucks), just read your 'jousting' with the knowledgable horde on LT !

I really think you're wasting your time there. There are a few that have a balanced reasoned viewpoint upon the whole sorry situation. One in particular that gets an awful lot of abusive stick, even though he agrees OC is the wrong man. But, is also rational enough to recognise that the mess that is our club now, is unfortunately in bargain basement territory.
I have no sympathy whatsoever with those that have earlier celebrated BFC's dire struggles back then, and now the boots on the other foot just cannot accept our turn to try and turn the tide.
And with that the returned 'complement' from their similar minded BFC supporter who gleefully 'rubs it in'. Eg the goading that OC is 'doing the bidding' of his BFC connection is bizarre in the extreme and responded to by our equally challenged supporter in calling for his head based upon this !
The woeful attempts at repelling this onslaught is basically feeble, they should just man up and take it.
OC is basically within our price range, and as such is found wanting, this not helped in the slightest by our current plight and the people running the show - it's as simple as that.

Despair - I've stayed off those pages for months, but I just got incensed by the total lack of logic and common sense displayed in some of the comments after the Rotherham game. As you say, a waste of time with some of the posters there.
One thing that amazes me is how they let this John Claret character wind them up. If everyone simply blanked his posts, he would disappear in no time!

[alfinyalcabo]

Who is John Claret ? Lol

[AucklandRover]

Obviously, the chief problem over the last five years has been poor management, stemming from awful decisions made by Venky's.
All the same, you can hardly say we've been blessed by good luck in that time either. We seem to lose so many games by the odd goal, and it sounds as if we should have got at least a point from this game also.
Surely, surely...all the chances are going to go in one of these days.
I just hope it's against Burton - not Man. Utd.!

The injury to Gallagher sounds bad, and Akpan will presumably miss three games. I assume Emnes will start now. I hope Greer recovers because we really could do with Mulgrew moving into midfield. One bright spot: by all accounts, Mahoney played well.

[robinrover]

Have you seen the goals which didn't stand aucks?
I can understand the emnes goal as it was so fast its hard to make the decision but akpans goal to disallow that is ridiculous
nowhere near a handball and to make the decision yourself without consulting the linesman is just unbelievable
then to thrust salt into the open cut let's send the player in question off which by the way is the correct decision but what about the fact you didn't send the Wednesday player off for a dangerous tackle on Gallagher?
The ref got it so wrong and its cost us dear.

[alfinyalcabo]

Yep.you got robbed last night by some poor decisions ..goal line technology should be used in the championship also nothing wrong with the goal that resulted in the guy being sent off for pushing the ref..

[Despair]

So by that determination re cancelled goal, does this mean I get the 'moral' accolade of correct predictor for the match (even though it was a bit of a guess) ??? 😊
We can skirt over my predict of a JR goal I guess. But in my defence I have always argued JR is a goal sniffer albeit a very good one, he is not however any sort of 'cog' when it comes to team play. How many 'touches' did he actually get ???
That's not a snipe at the guy, as he seems a decent sort, it's simply his frailty.

Also to add, IMO we didn't actually fail to secure the point/s due to the refs gaff it was more so the two cheap goals we/Akpan conceded.
Nothing new there. And that, it appears, is OC's frailty !

[Despair]

Just viewed the Akpan incident (albeit on my small mob screen ).
Well, can't be totally sure on arm or upper chest ball contact , so presuming ref had the same unclear view. He seems to have elected to cancel on a guess, not a fact.
As for the 'assault' as declared by Hackett ! WADR that's a bit of a joke.

My take on it is:
Akpan clearly was annoyed at it being chalked off, which is understandable (given the above).
In his frustration he ran to the ref to remonstrate and realised he was approaching too fast and instinctively put his hands up to midriff in order to try to cushion a unintended 'coming together'. Immediately his hands made contact he made the gesture with hands again 'in apology'.
The ref seems to have unnecessarily stepped/wobbled back intimating that there was force in the coming together, either in reaction to it as a defensive measure, or to elaborate it!
Only he knows the truth.
Given the circumstances, I think a decent ref would have first dispersed all the other players around and then taken him to task explaining his decision, whilst at the same time condemning his reaction, but then either letting it go, or giving him a yellow for dissent.
Of course the modern law states 'no contact' with referee, or it's a red. So in effect it's a easy send off to 'justify'.
Please note: I constantly rail against 'arrogant' modern professionals, but also many poor 'non thinking' refs.
In this instance I would like to think the ref in his report would have the temerity to describe the event as 'unfortunate' as opposed to 'aggressive', as is being bandied about.

[AucklandRover]

Just viewed the Akpan incident (albeit on my small mob screen ).
Well, can't be totally sure on arm or upper chest ball contact , so presuming ref had the same unclear view. He seems to have elected to cancel on a guess, not a fact.
As for the 'assault' as declared by Hackett ! WADR that's a bit of a joke.

My take on it is:
Akpan clearly was annoyed at it being chalked off, which is understandable (given the above).
In his frustration he ran to the ref to remonstrate and realised he was approaching too fast and instinctively put his hands up to midriff in order to try to cushion a unintended 'coming together'. Immediately his hands made contact he made the gesture with hands again 'in apology'.
The ref seems to have unnecessarily stepped/wobbled back intimating that there was force in the coming together, either in reaction to it as a defensive measure, or to elaborate it!
Only he knows the truth.
Given the circumstances, I think a decent ref would have first dispersed all the other players around and then taken him to task explaining his decision, whilst at the same time condemning his reaction, but then either letting it go, or giving him a yellow for dissent.
Of course the modern law states 'no contact' with referee, or it's a red. So in effect it's a easy send off to 'justify'.
Please note: I constantly rail against 'arrogant' modern professionals, but also many poor 'non thinking' refs.
In this instance I would like to think the ref in his report would have the temerity to describe the event as 'unfortunate' as opposed to 'aggressive', as is being bandied about.

Excellent summary, Despair. Just what I thought after watching the highlights.
Emotions are always high in those situations. I wonder if it would be a good idea to brief the captain to intervene as quickly as possible when these moments crop up, in order to keep players out of trouble. After all, how often do referees change their minds?

[AucklandRover]

Have you seen the goals which didn't stand aucks?
I can understand the emnes goal as it was so fast its hard to make the decision but akpans goal to disallow that is ridiculous
nowhere near a handball and to make the decision yourself without consulting the linesman is just unbelievable
then to thrust salt into the open cut let's send the player in question off which by the way is the correct decision but what about the fact you didn't send the Wednesday player off for a dangerous tackle on Gallagher?
The ref got it so wrong and its cost us dear.

Robin - as Despair said, the hand-ball decision is simply a guess. He can't possibly have had a clear view.
As for the goal-line incident, the least referees should do in those situations is to consult the assistant more carefully.
Without goal-line technology, however, the judgement is very difficult unless the official is right in line - as from a corner.
As you say, these were very expensive errors for Rovers - especially if we get relegated by one point!
The Man. Utd. game can only be seen as light relief. At least I'll be able to watch a whole match.

[Despair]

Hate to say this Aucks, but I'm struggling to think of a more 'innocuous' match .
That's not being negative or critical, but for me it matters not a jot what happens in that game (in the grand scheme of things). It will neither prove or solve anything.