Swansea Up Bid For Andy Yiadom

[animallittle3]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4080347/swansea-make-3million-bid-for-andy-yiadom-as-they-up-their-pursuit-of-barnsley-full-back/


Look I know it's in The Sun but I'd be surprised if he's still here by the end of the week .

Fairly loose change £3 million even for Swansea and they are bound to be influenced by their success in Alfie Mawson .

The lads turned down a new deal and he's 12 months left on his current deal , let's get this over with asap and hopefully that's the end of any players leaving the club for a considerable while .

[DragonTyke]

excellent.... let the bidding war commence

[Romared]

Could it start a bidding war ? If he's going ? Hope it's this week , then we can possibly bring others in , How much do we think he's really worth just now ?
5 million I would put on him , and possibly settling for abart 3.5 million

[animallittle3]

Well we got £6 million for Alfie and Yids has more championship experience behind him .

That said full backs don't attract the same fees generally as other area's of the pitch , unless you have an idiot club like Man City paying £50 million for Kyle Walker that is .

Price him to sell , nowt to be gained by pitching him too high I suppose , 3.5 million is about right and a good sell on clause for good measure .

The money we've received for Roberts and more than likely Yiadom should be going back into the squad now .

We've done the sustainability gig last season , time to park that now and give Hecky a few quid to spend .

I think Hecky's earned the right to take his fishing rod to a river with trout in it and leave the tiddlers in the pond .

Bollox to this buying the ground back business , there's no championship points on offer for owning thi own ground ageen .

Give Hecky a break ffs .

[Ponte_Steve24]

At least with Yiadom gone there'll be no one left to cherry pick from our squad. I agree Animal get some money spent now and sign them up on three year deals.

[Exiletyke]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4080347/swansea-make-3million-bid-for-andy-yiadom-as-they-up-their-pursuit-of-barnsley-full-back/


Look I know it's in The Sun but I'd be surprised if he's still here by the end of the week .

Fairly loose change £3 million even for Swansea and they are bound to be influenced by their success in Alfie Mawson .

The lads turned down a new deal and he's 12 months left on his current deal , let's get this over with asap and hopefully that's the end of any players leaving the club for a considerable while .



"hopefully that's the end of any players leaving the club for a considerable while"




We've still got some Grandmas left ;D

[POGGYWELL]

"hopefully that's the end of any players leaving the club for a considerable while"




We've still got some Grandmas left ;D

At least two of our new lads will be gone for decent money within the next 18 months. Wouldn't mind a punt on Lindsey & Macarthy!!!!!
Recent experience 18 months really is a considerable while.

[Ponte_Steve24]

Perish the thought of having to do any longer Poggy ;D

[asbin]

£3m plus McBurnie and he can go for me. Let's build a squad that will take us forward for the next few years. It would also slow us to get Fletcher on loan and buy a few more to develop

[Ponte_Steve24]

Agree if this Mcburnie is the real deal get him signed up on a permanent deal and integrate him into the rest of a squad being built around three year deals.

If these lads peak together we could be in for exciting times.

[DOOALI]

Good post animal straight to the juggler and exactly correct with my sentiments entirely

[SBRed48]

At least with Yiadom gone there'll be no one left to cherry pick from our squad. I agree Animal get some money spent now and sign them up on three year deals.

Wor abart Davies Ponte ?

[animallittle3]

Wor abart Davies Ponte ?

Signed a new deal last season SB so at least we have some protection with the lad .

Clock isn't ticking down as such so if anyone wants him we are in a position to demand a very very good fee .

That's not to say he couldn't still throw a paddy and upset the apple cart and force the club's hand .

Tha fecked either way wi this game nah .

[pass_and_move]

Signed a new deal last season SB so at least we have some protection with the lad .

Clock isn't ticking down as such so if anyone wants him we are in a position to demand a very very good fee .

That's not to say he couldn't still throw a paddy and upset the apple cart and force the club's hand .

Tha fecked either way wi this game nah .


Very true

[pass_and_move]

I think we all knew deep darn that Yids wo on his bike.

To be fair Animal tha sez gi Hecky some money yit on another thread tha started abart Fletcher, tha pointed art how players coming in on big wages is damaging to the squads morale which i totally agree with.

If Hecky does get some dough to spend mate then realistically,how do you propose he's going to bring in, say a 2 million quid player on 5k a week? Aint gonna happen is it mate.

Any big money spent on a player coming here then surely comes along in tandem with it, a decent contract, thus breaking the wage structure you were talking about.

I'm afraid Hecky will be fishing for tiddly winks rather than trout for the forsee able. Thats the way it has to be until we can spend at least a couple of years at this level, then i think we can up our game and pay more competitive wages.

It's a massive challenge to keep us in this division for another season or two. I think we all know that. The plan Cryne came up with is still in its infancy, should we get relegated then we shouldn't get into debt because these contracts we've given our players are manageable in lg1. That may sound pessimistic but that's the reality. It simply boils darn to not running before we can walk. I think Hecky is fully aware of that. Can he perfom more miracles and keep us at this level? I'd say that the odds are firmly against him.

[Acido]

Trying to sustain our future and not spending so madly that we end up in financial danger is important of course, and I go along with the idea in principal. But couldnt this idea be phased in over the course of a few seasons, with a decent mixture of young kids and some 'better' players who know what this level is all about ?
As we've completely filled up the squad with unknown kids who have never kicked a ball before at this level, then thats a relegation just waiting to happen Im sorry to say. And I really hope Im wrong there but we're not making this easy on ourselves.
And the point has been made before, what if we do go down to Lg One again and theres all that money in the bank which the manager was given very little of to spend.
And whether we've got them here on 3 year contracts or not, how many of them will want to leave if we go down ? This might force Hecky into having to rebuild the squad yet again next summer!! Yes I know this is a very gloomy scenario Ive suggested here, but surely its on all of our minds.

[Ponte_Steve24]

I don't think it's any forlorn hope Pass of achieving better than a relegation struggle. I think Hecky has gone about assembling a decent squad and has bought wisely covering midfield and defence. It's just the forward areas and wings that need attention. I hope messing about and letting Mcloughlin join Millwall and not signing Brad Potts isn't going to come back and bite us in the ar5e. However, i'm confident other targets will be signed. There's still two weeks. Only place I differ with the plan is with the money in the bank. I would like us to go out and buy a decent centre forward. Who that is I don't know we might have to tap Animal's african market ;D

[pass_and_move]

I don't think it's any forlorn hope Pass of achieving better than a relegation struggle. I think Hecky has gone about assembling a decent squad and has bought wisely covering midfield and defence. It's just the forward areas and wings that need attention. I hope messing about and letting Mcloughlin join Millwall and not signing Brad Potts isn't going to come back and bite us in the ar5e. However, i'm confident other targets will be signed. There's still two weeks. Only place I differ with the plan is with the money in the bank. I would like us to go out and buy a decent centre forward. Who that is I don't know we might have to tap Animal's african market ;D


for the time being we're going to struggle mate unless this new team knits together quickly. I agree that Heckys bought well and it's also glaringly obvious we need to get a striker in. Nothing would please us all more than to see Hecky welcoming a new striker to Oakwell tomorrow I'm sure.

Money in the bank? None of us can truly know what kind of funds are there and what is available to spend. Plenty of us like to guesstimate but until the figures are released then it's down to assumption and speculation.

[EastStandRed]

Trying to sustain our future and not spending so madly that we end up in financial danger is important of course, and I go along with the idea in principal. But couldnt this idea be phased in over the course of a few seasons, with a decent mixture of young kids and some 'better' players who know what this level is all about ?
As we've completely filled up the squad with unknown kids who have never kicked a ball before at this level, then thats a relegation just waiting to happen Im sorry to say. And I really hope Im wrong there but we're not making this easy on ourselves.
And the point has been made before, what if we do go down to Lg One again and theres all that money in the bank which the manager was given very little of to spend.
And whether we've got them here on 3 year contracts or not, how many of them will want to leave if we go down ? This might force Hecky into having to rebuild the squad yet again next summer!! Yes I know this is a very gloomy scenario Ive suggested here, but surely its on all of our minds.

Same as last years team who'd never kicked a ball at this level

[Acido]

Same as last years team who'd never kicked a ball at this level

But as has been mentioned several times, at least that team had a togetherness from playing together and winning promotion together in Lg One! The majority of this team has none of that, and they havent kicked a ball at this level either. :O

[EastStandRed]

It'll be tough no doubt about it but the club set out a plan and at the time I think most agreed with it as we were sick of watching bang average 30yr olds picking up a last wage and showing no fight and passion for the club . Carry on from me as we are.

[POGGYWELL]

Same as last years team who'd never kicked a ball at this level

Better than last year ESR Davies, McDonald, Moncur, Mowett, Payne, Brown, Jackson & Bradshaw ( Ex Yids ) had all kicked a ball at this level.

[Acido]

It'll be tough no doubt about it but the club set out a plan and at the time I think most agreed with it as we were sick of watching bang average 30yr olds picking up a last wage and showing no fight and passion for the club . Carry on from me as we are.

Thats fair enough Esr and I think we can all point to players like Mido & Leroy Lita especially as those journeymen who 'stole' a wage from us.
If this squad plays to their strengths, which could well be their naivety and inexperience (yes that could be a plus point funnily enough), and if they get in the faces of the opposition we could well be onto an equally good season as last season.
If that happens I'll be on here scrapping with Animal & Ponty for the biggest piece of humble pie you've ever seen. :P

And I'll tell you what, all these exchanges of positive and negative opinions has got me just as interested as always in the new season. Whether its going to be a good season or not, and Im sure every one of us still feels the same.

[Exiletyke]

for the time being we're going to struggle mate unless this new team knits together quickly. I agree that Heckys bought well and it's also glaringly obvious we need to get a striker in. Nothing would please us all more than to see Hecky welcoming a new striker to Oakwell tomorrow I'm sure.

Money in the bank? None of us can truly know what kind of funds are there and what is available to spend. Plenty of us like to guesstimate but until the figures are released then it's down to assumption and speculation.




for the time being we're going to struggle mate unless this new team knits together quickly. I agree that Heckys bought well and it's also glaringly obvious we need to get a striker in. Nothing would please us all more than to see Hecky welcoming a new striker to Oakwell tomorrow I'm sure.

Money in the bank? None of us can truly know what kind of funds are there and what is available to spend. Plenty of us like to guesstimate but until the figures are released then it's down to assumption and speculation.

Perhaps you can ascertain the true position P&M


Last financial statement was filed for year up to May2016
for year up to May 2017 ie recent past you will have to wait another year

The following seems to be a reasonable attempt to summarise the statement

The club has filed its Financial Statements for the year to 31 May 2016 with Companies House.

For the year in question the club has taken the option of filing only the Balance Sheet and Notes, which they are entitled by law so to do. It does make the process of gleaning any information from them that much more difficult though.

Note 13 (Reserves) shows the deficit on Retained Earnings has increased by £577,669 to £9,586,454. What this means is that Barnsley FC lost £577,669 last year, and its accumulated losses now stand at £9,586,454 in total. Remember that last season, the club visited Wembley twice, and yet it still lost money.

Note 17 (Related Party Disclosures) states that Mr Cryne made a personal donation to the club of £402,143 in the year, and that the sum is included in turnover. What that means is that the loss of £577,669 is calculated after the donation of £402,143. Therefore, without the donation the loss would have been £979,812. Not so far away from the £1m stated by Mr Cryne back in June.

Note 3 (Intangible Fixed Assets), which is player transfer fees shows that the club spent £587,500 on new players during the year and I wonder whether the money spent by Mr Cryne went towards funding these player acquisitions.

Note 8 (Loans and Overdrafts) shows that the Bank Overdraft, which stood at £1,412,683 was paid off during the year, and indeed the Balance sheet shows that we had Cash at Bank and in Hand of £576,106, a turnaround of £1,988,789 in the year. However, Note 8 shows that Other Loans increased from £2,660,588 to £7,426,394 during the year. The increase of £4,765,806 has partly been made up of a Balance Sheet reclassification of the Share Subscription Account (see Note 13 Reserves), which accounts for £3,900,00 of the difference, but I suspect that the rest is new money received from Mr Cryne via loan rather than donation.

Note 17 (Related Party Disclosures) also notes that Barnsley FC paid ground rent of £99,999 (£103,113 last year) to Oakwell Community Assets Limited, the company jointly owned by Mr Cryne and Barnsley MBC that owns the ground, under the terms of a 25 year lease. It also notes that Brabners LLP were paid £48,110 (£41,038 last year) for the services of Mr Watkins.

Note 18 (Post Balance Sheet Events) notes that £10m net profit was received after the year end. This would have related to the sale of John Stones by Everton to Manchester City, and presumably the sale of Alfie Mawson to Swansea. The figure is quoted before any other contingent amounts become due, for example those based on number of games played, international appearances or share of subsequent transfer fee in respect of Mawson.


Any clearer?

[pass_and_move]

Perhaps you can ascertain the true position P&M


Last financial statement was filed for year up to May2016
for year up to May 2017 ie recent past you will have to wait another year

The following seems to be a reasonable attempt to summarise the statement

The club has filed its Financial Statements for the year to 31 May 2016 with Companies House.

For the year in question the club has taken the option of filing only the Balance Sheet and Notes, which they are entitled by law so to do. It does make the process of gleaning any information from them that much more difficult though.

Note 13 (Reserves) shows the deficit on Retained Earnings has increased by £577,669 to £9,586,454. What this means is that Barnsley FC lost £577,669 last year, and its accumulated losses now stand at £9,586,454 in total. Remember that last season, the club visited Wembley twice, and yet it still lost money.

Note 17 (Related Party Disclosures) states that Mr Cryne made a personal donation to the club of £402,143 in the year, and that the sum is included in turnover. What that means is that the loss of £577,669 is calculated after the donation of £402,143. Therefore, without the donation the loss would have been £979,812. Not so far away from the £1m stated by Mr Cryne back in June.

Note 3 (Intangible Fixed Assets), which is player transfer fees shows that the club spent £587,500 on new players during the year and I wonder whether the money spent by Mr Cryne went towards funding these player acquisitions.

Note 8 (Loans and Overdrafts) shows that the Bank Overdraft, which stood at £1,412,683 was paid off during the year, and indeed the Balance sheet shows that we had Cash at Bank and in Hand of £576,106, a turnaround of £1,988,789 in the year. However, Note 8 shows that Other Loans increased from £2,660,588 to £7,426,394 during the year. The increase of £4,765,806 has partly been made up of a Balance Sheet reclassification of the Share Subscription Account (see Note 13 Reserves), which accounts for £3,900,00 of the difference, but I suspect that the rest is new money received from Mr Cryne via loan rather than donation.

Note 17 (Related Party Disclosures) also notes that Barnsley FC paid ground rent of £99,999 (£103,113 last year) to Oakwell Community Assets Limited, the company jointly owned by Mr Cryne and Barnsley MBC that owns the ground, under the terms of a 25 year lease. It also notes that Brabners LLP were paid £48,110 (£41,038 last year) for the services of Mr Watkins.

Note 18 (Post Balance Sheet Events) notes that £10m net profit was received after the year end. This would have related to the sale of John Stones by Everton to Manchester City, and presumably the sale of Alfie Mawson to Swansea. The figure is quoted before any other contingent amounts become due, for example those based on number of games played, international appearances or share of subsequent transfer fee in respect of Mawson.


Any clearer?

Unfortunately not Exile, due to my lack of intelligence I never studied accountancy. Interesting read though.