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leontrotsky

10-09-2017, 02:48 PM

"Lack of passion? No, the result of commercial calculation. This is at the core of the sickness of what football has become, the hopeless confusion of mistaking the richest league in the world with being the best. It’s no accident that the Championship play-off final is described almost exclusively in terms of the riches awarded to the victor rather than the quality of the football played."

https://newsocialist.org.uk/football-from-below/

Pacman1903

10-09-2017, 03:21 PM

fatshaft

10-09-2017, 04:00 PM

Whatever happened to........

Anyway, I ****ing detest "the-most-overhyped-league-in-the-world". So I imagine I'd like the article, just can't be arsed reading it, cos it sounds like I could have written it.

#guffyfitbaispish

Pacman1903

10-09-2017, 04:49 PM

Ill chuck this in here I have to laugh as this trip offshore there seems to be a noticeable amount of PSG shirts appeared. But what do I expect from c@nts who dance on tables and sofas when Real Madrid or Barcelona score or "supported" Chelsea since 2005. They have no idea about football. Its funny as I work with a frog(whos not an arrogant w@nker believe it or not) who is a lifelong PSG fan even though hes from Le Havre (and Guillamme Beuzelins childhood best mate randomly), hes lapping it up playing up to it all in front of everyone "we will win the Champions League" blah blah blah. But he said to me when we were just the two of us "I think we have f@cked football". Aye you think?

I can bet PSG will be on the telly now when the champions league is on. Even though they haven't been in the past 17 month ive worked here

Jupiter

10-09-2017, 05:06 PM

The best thing PSG can do now is thrash Timmy on Tuesday.

Pacman1903

10-09-2017, 05:32 PM

The best thing PSG can do now is thrash Timmy on Tuesday.

Oh aye ill be cheering with Matthieu but only because they are the better of two evils and it benefits Scottish fitba if the pigs get battered every game

BorneoRed

11-09-2017, 12:03 AM

Oh aye ill be cheering with Matthieu but only because they are the better of two evils and it benefits Scottish fitba if the pigs get battered every game

In a strange way, I hope the victims beat them. Only because of the ridiculous money that is being spent by c*nts of clubs like PSG.
Does it really matter now that ra selik gets more money? they are so far ahead of us and the rest, the distance between them and us will never ever change in the near future.

PS...I'm still waiting for the football bubble to burst.

ragnarok

11-09-2017, 01:56 AM

I have next to no interest in any football outside of AFC these days. Now that I live in Oz it's not as though I have to follow it to have something to chat about at the water cooler. Most Australians couldn't give a f*** about it either.

Yeah, there's a lot wrong with modern football but I thought the article was stockstandard leftist drivel.

sancho_panza

11-09-2017, 05:35 AM

Ill chuck this in here I have to laugh as this trip offshore there seems to be a noticeable amount of PSG shirts appeared. But what do I expect from c@nts who dance on tables and sofas when Real Madrid or Barcelona score or "supported" Chelsea since 2005. They have no idea about football.

It depends how you look at it. I like watching the Champions League but to me it's not even really the same sport as watching us play in Scotland. I watch AFC because I support the team and couldn't care less about how entertaining the game is. I watch the Champions League in the same way I might watch golf (i.e. because I've played the game and it's interesting to watch people who are the best in the world play it).

AFC is supporting a football team, the Champions League is a dispassionate curiosity. I think most people look at it that way and it's only a small minority of bandwagoning nitwits that really get passionately invested in a European superteam just because they win all the time.

Pacman1903

11-09-2017, 05:58 AM

I have next to no interest in any football outside of AFC these days. .

.

See the funny thing is. Im the opposite. I give more of a f@ck. I still only support Aberdeen but im more interested in "lesser football". Was it the HFL travels that lead to it? Am i becoming a fitba hipster or something? .I base all my holidays on grabbing a game now (nae in guffball or Barcelona, Madrid, Munich). My big holiday this year is 7 games in 10 days in Czech Republic, Switzerland (was supposed to be Portugal but flights f@cked that), Slovenia and Austria in December. I have found an interest in non moneyball.

If Stewart Milne carries on his sh@te ill be binning my season ticket and heading to Forthbank or Beechwood Park or The Rock on a Saturday instead. Im seriously thinking of picking and choosing my games at Pittodrie now as hes such a f@cking cock

ragnarok

11-09-2017, 07:01 AM

See the funny thing is. Im the opposite. I give more of a f@ck. I still only support Aberdeen but im more interested in "lesser football". Was it the HFL travels that lead to it? Am i becoming a fitba hipster or something? .I base all my holidays on grabbing a game now (nae in guffball or Barcelona, Madrid, Munich). My big holiday this year is 7 games in 10 days in Czech Republic, Switzerland (was supposed to be Portugal but flights f@cked that), Slovenia and Austria in December. I have found an interest in non moneyball.

If Stewart Milne carries on his sh@te ill be binning my season ticket and heading to Forthbank or Beechwood Park or The Rock on a Saturday instead. Im seriously thinking of picking and choosing my games at Pittodrie now as hes such a f@cking cock

I actually quite enjoy taking in an A-league game but it's more about the social aspect of it than finding the football particularly exciting. It's hardly a chore going to watch football and drink beer in a state of the art stadium in the Australian summer. It's fairly cheap too.

Pacman1903

11-09-2017, 07:22 AM

I actually quite enjoy taking in an A-league game but it's more about the social aspect of it than finding the football particularly exciting. It's hardly a chore going to watch football and drink beer in a state of the art stadium in the Australian summer. It's fairly cheap too.

Because im on my own 90% of the time when I head to fitba I just yap to whoever and its as big of a part of the day. Whether in Aarau, Brora, Cove(aye right gypo c@nts don't even know where Cove is these days), or Dortmund blethering with the locals over a beer is like you said never a chore and im yet to find a pr@ck. But its interesting to hear opinions and see other culture and obviously try as many beers as possible. Its actually like a hobby. I also love the array of stadia from Lossiemouth at one end of the scale to Luzern at the other. Fitba at the upper echelons is f@cked but there is a lot to be said about "lesser fitba"

Mason89

11-09-2017, 07:46 AM

If Stewart Milne carries on his sh@te ill be binning my season ticket and heading to Forthbank or Beechwood Park or The Rock on a Saturday instead. Im seriously thinking of picking and choosing my games at Pittodrie now as hes such a f@cking cock

Milne talks about moving the game forward but what he really wants is to move it back to the time before the Huns went tits up. Preferably in a smaller league.

F*ck that

Pacman1903

11-09-2017, 09:04 AM

Milne talks about moving the game forward but what he really wants is to move it back to the time before the Huns went tits up. Preferably in a smaller league.

F*ck that

The guy is a f@cking moron

BorneoRed

11-09-2017, 09:44 AM

I must admit I used to enjoy watching the European games or even the Guffy games, but now? I wont waste my time watching any of it. It bores me to death.
I will stick with my RedTV (when it works)

DonUnder

11-09-2017, 09:58 AM

I actually quite enjoy taking in an A-league game but it's more about the social aspect of it than finding the football particularly exciting. It's hardly a chore going to watch football and drink beer in a state of the art stadium in the Australian summer. It's fairly cheap too.

I think an argument could be made that modern football is a classic example of out of control free market capitalism? Anyway your point is valid re. the A league despite the poor standard it can be a decent day out if they wouldn't feck about with the K.O times so much. I do wonder if the local outfit could suffer the same fate as Western Force if the market decides?

standfreelee

11-09-2017, 11:19 AM

I'm getting the same way. Still an aberdeen fan but enjoying my HL games more and more and I can see why a lot of ex dandies go down the route of supporting their nearest HL team. I used to go regularly to away games but would rather just go to a HL game instead of having the hassle of finding people to go with, arrange transport an be dying the next day...also cheaper...and because i dinna have a team yet. It disnae matter fa wins..im just enjoying the game 😀

Jupiter

11-09-2017, 05:20 PM

I think an argument could be made that modern football is a classic example of out of control free market capitalism? Anyway your point is valid re. the A league despite the poor standard it can be a decent day out if they wouldn't feck about with the K.O times so much. I do wonder if the local outfit could suffer the same fate as Western Force if the market decides?

There is nothing free market about the Qatar & Abu Dhabi governments buying PSG and Man City and chucking a few billion pounds at them.

DonUnder

11-09-2017, 11:37 PM

There is nothing free market about the Qatar & Abu Dhabi governments buying PSG and Man City and chucking a few billion pounds at them.

Apologies with PSG it should read laissez-faire

ragnarok

12-09-2017, 12:05 AM

Apologies with PSG it should read laissez-faire

The thing is that the European football system isn't really 'free'. It is a rigidly structured and regulated industry.

What is evident is just how ineffectual and corrupt UEFA's governance of the game has been. The issue isn't so much 'greed' and 'capitalism', it's the fact that in the 90s the conditions were put in place that created a runaway effect whereby the resources were funnelled towards the top clubs and top leagues. Obviously the top clubs pushed for this but it was all put in place by UEFA. UEFA's attempts to redress the financial imbalance have been pitiful. UEFA will claim that it had to out of fear that the top clubs would breakaway but that's a weak argument given that the situation could hardly have turned out worse than it has.

While I'm not a fan of the idea of super-leagues (i.e the 'Atlantic League') UEFA has consistently shown that it will block any attempts by clubs and smaller associations to redress the balance while doing nothing to address the underlying issues that have forced clubs to consider such options.

sancho_panza

12-09-2017, 12:40 AM

The thing is that the European football system isn't really 'free'. It is a rigidly structured and regulated industry.

What is evident is just how ineffectual and corrupt UEFA's governance of the game has been. The issue isn't so much 'greed' and 'capitalism', it's the fact that in the 90s the conditions were put in place that created a runaway effect whereby the resources were funnelled towards the top clubs and top leagues. Obviously the top clubs pushed for this but it was all put in place by UEFA. UEFA's attempts to redress the financial imbalance have been pitiful. UEFA will claim that it had to out of fear that the top clubs would breakaway but that's a weak argument given that the situation could hardly have turned out worse than it has.

While I'm not a fan of the idea of super-leagues (i.e the 'Atlantic League') UEFA has consistently shown that it will block any attempts by clubs and smaller associations to redress the balance while doing nothing to address the underlying issues that have forced clubs to consider such options.

This is a fair summary of what's happened, but the idea that UEFA did this on purpose is more debatable. A lot of what created this situation wasn't the work of UEFA, but the work of circumstance: e.g. the growth of international TV markets, which are starting to dwarf the resources available from any other stream. A lot of it was negligence for failing to see that this is where the game was going and by the time they realised it was a problem (and the threat of clubs breaking away is now entirely real and completely against UEFA's interests) things had progressed too far for them to do anything about it.

They knew it was a problem ten years ago when Platini took over. He attempted to try and open up the Champions League with various proposals (even minimal ones like giving Champions League spots to cup winners) but the clubs wouldn't buy it. A European Superleague could be an improvement if it were an open system that had some means of promotion/relegation from domestic leagues, but what we'd actually get would be even worse. At least some people in UEFA are attempting to make things more equitable, the European Superleague wouldn't even have that. It would be like the NFL - a completely closed shop run by a small number of clubs that have all the resources, all the best players, and no interest in letting anyone else join unless they'd benefit financially from it.

DonUnder

12-09-2017, 02:10 AM

This is a fair summary of what's happened, but the idea that UEFA did this on purpose is more debatable. A lot of what created this situation wasn't the work of UEFA, but the work of circumstance: e.g. the growth of international TV markets, which are starting to dwarf the resources available from any other stream. A lot of it was negligence for failing to see that this is where the game was going and by the time they realised it was a problem (and the threat of clubs breaking away is now entirely real and completely against UEFA's interests) things had progressed too far for them to do anything about it.

They knew it was a problem ten years ago when Platini took over. He attempted to try and open up the Champions League with various proposals (even minimal ones like giving Champions League spots to cup winners) but the clubs wouldn't buy it. A European Superleague could be an improvement if it were an open system that had some means of promotion/relegation from domestic leagues, but what we'd actually get would be even worse. At least some people in UEFA are attempting to make things more equitable, the European Superleague wouldn't even have that. It would be like the NFL - a completely closed shop run by a small number of clubs that have all the resources, all the best players, and no interest in letting anyone else join unless they'd benefit financially from it.

You are right in that the regulations are there and were largely ignored. But whether it's Fanny Mae or Fanny Baws in Govan people were spending money they either didn't have (or didn't care where or how it was obtained) on things they couldn't afford. So perhaps greed was a motive?

57vintage

12-09-2017, 10:44 AM

When the kids with whom I work come into the office asking, "Did you see Barca v Sociedad/Bayern v Dortmund/some shower of overpaid hyped-up Italians v a similar shower of overpaid hyped-up Italians last night?" My stock responses are:

I dinna have satellite telly. Murdoch can go ask Jerry to poke a stick wi a nail through it up his erse.

Were the Dons involved? No? Then I dinna give a ****.

Were Keith involved? No? Then I dinna give a ****.

If Kingsford is passed, I will buy a season ticket for the first season, but if the hassles of actually getting there prove to be far too much to bear, as I predict they will be, I will then pick and choose which games to attend. I'm sure it's going to be quicker to drive to Nairn or Forres to watch Keith play than to get to Westhill from Brigadon no matter what "transport strategy" is in place.

StandfreeFM

12-09-2017, 11:18 AM

When the kids with whom I work come into the office asking, "Did you see Barca v Sociedad/Bayern v Dortmund/some shower of overpaid hyped-up Italians v a similar shower of overpaid hyped-up Italians last night?" My stock responses are:

I dinna have satellite telly. Murdoch can go ask Jerry to poke a stick wi a nail through it up his erse.

Were the Dons involved? No? Then I dinna give a ****.

Were Keith involved? No? Then I dinna give a ****.

I suspect the kids in the office are just on the wind up.

"here, want to get old man Vintage going, just ask about the footie last night?"
"wit footie last night?"
"ach, just make it up. I bet you he talks about Sky, Murdoch n that, bonus points if he mentions Keith."
"Nae bother, wish me luck"
...
"Hiy, 57Vintage min, did you see the footie last night , Wolfsburg versus Atalanta?" ;D

Pacman1903

12-09-2017, 12:31 PM

InversneckieDob

12-09-2017, 12:54 PM

InversneckieDob

12-09-2017, 12:58 PM

I'm sure the younger elements in my work adopt similar tactics on a wide area of issues to induce a Sneckie rant with some mildly predictable content.

donsdaft

12-09-2017, 01:35 PM

The thing is, vintage min, if you buy your season ticket , where are you going to sit?

There will be nae "Y"

Nae obvious working class hero section.

It'll be a problem.

57vintage

12-09-2017, 02:38 PM

I suspect the kids in the office are just on the wind up.

"here, want to get old man Vintage going, just ask about the footie last night?"
"wit footie last night?"
"ach, just make it up. I bet you he talks about Sky, Murdoch n that, bonus points if he mentions Keith."
"Nae bother, wish me luck"
...
"Hiy, 57Vintage min, did you see the footie last night , Wolfsburg versus Atalanta?" ;D

I'm afraid it's not like that at all.

They have an interest in Proper Mannies' Fitba, but I suppose the satellite global village makes them see no difference between something tangible in which I have a buy-in, and something that can be consumed via didital technology. They were nearly all at the Dons' Euro games this season, but since they're played on Thursdays, and I no longer work on Fridays, I missed out on any discussion (thank ****, I hate all that amateur expert analysis pish anyway).

I think it's the same now where kids with an interest in music just see the Stones, the Pistols and Frank Sinatra as music from the past without differentiating in any way as we did in the mid-60s and mid-70s Rock n Roll Wars.

Pacman1903

12-09-2017, 03:08 PM

I'm afraid it's not like that at all.

They have an interest in Proper Mannies' Fitba,.

I thought that was the Heelan League min

57vintage

12-09-2017, 03:48 PM

I thought that was the Heelan League min

It's Keith in the Heelan League, and the Dons in the SPL.

Everybody else and their styles are ****ing fannies.

FACT.

neilthedon

12-09-2017, 04:11 PM

I'm afraid it's not like that at all.

They have an interest in Proper Mannies' Fitba, but I suppose the satellite global village makes them see no difference between something tangible in which I have a buy-in, and something that can be consumed via didital technology. They were nearly all at the Dons' Euro games this season, but since they're played on Thursdays, and I no longer work on Fridays, I missed out on any discussion (thank ****, I hate all that amateur expert analysis pish anyway).

I think it's the same now where kids with an interest in music just see the Stones, the Pistols and Frank Sinatra as music from the past without differentiating in any way as we did in the mid-60s and mid-70s Rock n Roll Wars.

Mid Seventies Rock and Roll wars ? Aye, nae in Aberdeen though , eh ?

All us mminority fashion groups were all huddled together in the Star and Garter. Punks, Mods, Skins ( well, there was one !! ) hiding from the normal world out there !!

Couldn`t comment on your mid Sixties r n r wars though . Thon frunkie Sinatra fans might huv been a helluva wild , for all I know ?

BorneoRed

12-09-2017, 11:36 PM

If Kingsford is passed, I will buy a season ticket for the first season, but if the hassles of actually getting there prove to be far too much to bear, as I predict they will be, I will then pick and choose which games to attend. I'm sure it's going to be quicker to drive to Nairn or Forres to watch Keith play than to get to Westhill from Brigadon no matter what "transport strategy" is in place.

Quicker to get to Nairn? With the new bypass, you would be in Kingsford in 10 minutes min.