As Fans Are We a Rabble on Away Days ?

[MrsORichSenior]

So - As Fans Are we a Rabble on Away Days ?

A point that often gets a mention when on our travels by local press is the masses & volume that our club brings to towns & cities.Most comments expressed are centred on the atmosphere our fans generate inside the stadium which is always positive and this season is no exception.Yes we do have sadly 'incidents' that obviously can occur which are negative which are few and far in between thankfully.

This season we are being followed more closely by the authorities & media off the pitch as well - Why ?

Well, we are a 'story' for starters (always were/and still are) and various Leeds fans have noticed more cameras & phone piccies been taken this season and with more heavy Police supervision being implemented this scenario won't change.Reacting to this legal 'intrusion' can create incidents but hopefully this won't escalate into any of our supporters being placed at risk.

The 'shepherding' of our fans at London Bridge station prior to the Millwall game has been flagged up as an example of how not to treat travelling fans,despite the fact that drink & bravado was obviously a contributing factor but the 'herding' added to crushing incidents on the station forecourts.Rights or wrongs this is an 'Away day' and safety is paramount to all members of the public including all Leeds United supporters and dogs,batons and herding is only going to create hostility IMO which is something that needs addressing quickly as does the non Leeds ticketing allocations for our away games.The club can do only so much and does it well for the record.No doubt Cardiff will be ready for us next out. :(

Various videos are out there but the one below captures the above points (particularly after 10 min mark) and the amount of views tells a story too. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KWOkqFuFJ04

[WTF11]

So - As Fans Are we a Rabble on Away Days ?

A point that often gets a mention when on our travels by local press is the masses & volume that our club brings to towns & cities.Most comments expressed are centred on the atmosphere our fans generate inside the stadium which is always positive and this season is no exception.Yes we do have sadly 'incidents' that obviously can occur which are negative which are few and far in between thankfully.

This season we are being followed more closely by the authorities & media off the pitch as well - Why ?

Well, we are a 'story' for starters (always were/and still are) and various Leeds fans have noticed more cameras & phone piccies been taken this season and with more heavy Police supervision being implemented this scenario won't change.Reacting to this legal 'intrusion' can create incidents but hopefully this won't escalate into any of our supporters being placed at risk.

The 'shepherding' of our fans at London Bridge station prior to the Millwall game has been flagged up as an example of how not to treat travelling fans,despite the fact that drink & bravado was obviously a contributing factor but the 'herding' added to crushing incidents on the station forecourts.Rights or wrongs this is an 'Away day' and safety is paramount to all members of the public including all Leeds United supporters and dogs,batons and herding is only going to create hostility IMO which is something that needs addressing quickly as does the non Leeds ticketing allocations for our away games.The club can do only so much and does it well for the record.No doubt Cardiff will be ready for us next out. :(

Various videos are out there but the one below captures the above points (particularly after 10 min mark) and the amount of views tells a story too. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KWOkqFuFJ04

Why? To those outside what is the Leeds family we represent something lost to football decades ago. Inside that family we fight, we argue, but to those outside the family we are LEEDS UNITED, is it really surprising they hate and fear us?

[SouthgateWhite]

I don't get to too many Away matches , but have managed Fulham and Brentford in recent years , I can honestly say other than one clown smashing bottles at Putney Bridge stn, our fans were absolutely brilliant, nothing but well behaved and I was nothing but proud to be one of them.

[MrsORichSenior]

Thank you SW for your comments & thanks for the PMs sent everybody.
Safety was the issue particularly our younger ones 'herded' into concourse with their parents and the fact our fans were let through without any security checks bearing in mind the terror threats around London - Football fans are members of the public too and this was the point being forwarded to the Met !
Leeds United actively encourage U12 kids to attend matches and supporter groups wish for various Police authorities to take this on board when 'herding' large groups of travelling fans to & from stadiums,drawn batons,snapping dogs & holding bays are not acceptable and this point has been comunicated to all concerned particularly concerns over personal public security which Leeds supporters on that day were denied.
MOT

[MrsORichSenior]

Thank you for your comments WTF11.
Great post and you cease to amaze me with your opinions on all matters Leeds United and the Universe from your perch in gentrified Hampshire.

As a member of Supportergroups we have to look after all age groups within a vast array of huge support even the 'naughty' ones who can find themselves in trouble.So yes your ethos of "family" is apt - just not sure were within the family you'd be 'tho ?
The wise old Uncle ?
Or the dreaded Mother in law !

MOT

[WTF11]

Thank you for your comments WTF11.
Great post and you cease to amaze me with your opinions on all matters Leeds United and the Universe from your perch in gentrified Hampshire.

As a member of Supportergroups we have to look after all age groups within a vast array of huge support even the 'naughty' ones who can find themselves in trouble.So yes your ethos of "family" is apt - just not sure were within the family you'd be 'tho ?
The wise old Uncle ?
Or the dreaded Mother in law !

MOT

The grumpy old grandad of course! ;D

[Silentman]

I've always thought that our away fans are a different set of fans to home games, it seems to distill some quite obnoxious and socially inept types. I do go to as many away games as I can and I always feel a bit out of place and uncomfortable with them if I'm honest. used to go in '80s as well and thankfully we have got better, but you wouldn't want your daughter turning up with many of our away fans and announcing he was her new boyfriend!

[MrsORichSenior]

I've always thought that our away fans are a different set of fans to home games, it seems to distill some quite obnoxious and socially inept types. I do go to as many away games as I can and I always feel a bit out of place and uncomfortable with them if I'm honest. used to go in '80s as well and thankfully we have got better, but you wouldn't want your daughter turning up with many of our away fans and announcing he was her new boyfriend!

Thank you for popping in Silentman.
In fairness your honest view is shared by quite a few.Personally when in London it's always a shared black cab for games nowadays which wasn't always the case in the 80s etc so ...........
Silly thing is the 'naughty boys' of the late 70s & 80s differing club crews now still meet up as 'friends' reminiscing.

Today's bunch are not bad lads really but of course 'events' do/can happen & not everyone is at ease with some of the latest song repartee but hey ho as WTF11 stated its more about the show of force and historic ethos that our reputation is known for and on the whole I always feel safe amongst them as do my kids.But I do agree the Away travellers behaviour is different to that at ER.

Safety was flagged up 'tho - and the importance of getting the correct balance as members of the public quite rightly were horrified to get caught up in the 'herding' scenario as our fans got escorted about London Bridge.So the shout went out that it could/should have been handled better which would have been a benefit to everyone on the day whether they be Joe Public or Leeds supporters.

MOT

[MrsORichSenior]

I'll wrap this thread up now by posting a recent FSF article and note particular reference to paragraph 22 within it.It highlights how media project 'huge volumes of football fans gathering & subsequent Police handling' .............

Our FSF caseworker Amanda Jacks wrote about her experiences at last week's Europa League tie at the Emirates. In an accompanying feature, Cologne-based journalist Matt Ford thinks the British media misjudged the German fans. Here he explains why...

The outrage began even before the Europa League game between Arsenal and 1.FC Köln.

The Daily Mail reported that “thousands of ticketless Cologne fans fought with riot police.”

The Daily Express was one of many to splash the word “Chaos” across the front page. John Cross of the Daily Mirror wrote that a “night of shame at the Emirates was a sorry throwback to the shameful spectre of football’s 1980s hooligan days” under the headline: “Fear and Fire as Cologne fans storm the Emirates.”

According to them, kick-off had been delayed after an invading army of 20,000 drunk, violent, barbaric German football fans attempted to storm the stadium.

The German media were no different. In the immediate aftermath, Cologne’s local Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger said “Hooligans plunge Cologne’s Euro return into chaos.” Local tabloid Express said: “Thousands of ticketless Cologne fans overwhelmed the police.” BILD called it a “night of shame for German football.”

But that’s simply not what happened, as the reports of journalists who stood outside the away end and witnessed what happened testify. The thousands of ticketless Cologne fans didn’t overwhelm or fight with the police. They waited patiently and calmly in the rain and sang their carnival songs.

Nor did they all storm the stadium. A tiny minority of about 30-40 ultras attempted to. Out of 20,000. And it didn’t work. Within minutes, the police had the situation under control and made five arrests. Five. Out of 20,000.

The travelling supporters could hardly be described as “yobs” either. For the club’s biggest game in a quarter of a century, it wasn’t just the boisterous, young, male ultras who travelled. 1.FC Köln is so deeply embedded in the culture of Cologne that half the city had migrated. Young and old, rich and poor, male and female, entire families.

"Whatever happens, one thing is clear. The most beautiful thing we have is our city, where we stick together, whatever happens,” they sang in an ode to their home town.

But one can only assume that Mr Cross and their German tabloid colleagues penned their pieces during the hour’s delay from inside the comfortable Media Centre at the Emirates Stadium or from behind the desks in their offices back home. Judging by their conclusions, they couldn’t have stood in the rain, engaging with the

Cologne fans or watching what was happening outside the away end turnstiles.

Yet other journalists did, and more measured, informed reports emerged after the final whistle. Experienced football writer Andy Mitten said in GQ magazine that the Cologne supporters “weren’t like the drunken rabble of Glasgow Rangers fans who descended on Manchester for the 2008 UEFA Cup final, but in control and pleasant to be around.”

Sam Wallace of the Telegraph wrote: “Cologne's behaviour was nothing like football's dark ages - it was a group of passionate fans desperate to watch their club.”

As for me, I work as a football journalist in Cologne. I follow “FC” most weeks, know many of their fans personally and marched with them from their meeting point at Highbury Fields to the Emirates. As I wrote for Deutsche Welle, I consider the picture painted by the British media to be a complete exaggeration.

German colleagues at the match saw it differently too. Süddeutsche Zeitung’s Philipp Selldorf wrote: “Night of shame? A disproportionate exaggeration. There was a failed attempt to storm the turnstiles followed by a short skirmish and a few flares – nothing more than a regular Bundesliga match. The march through town, accompanied by just a few bobbies rather than massed riot police, was harmless. The atmosphere during the game and afterwards was happy and peaceful.”

I also spoke to Spiegel’s Hendrik Buchheister at the game. “Given that so many people had waited 25 years and travelled to London to wait in the rain not knowing whether they’d be allowed in at all, the situation was largely peaceful,” he wrote.

Magazine 11Freunde called the whole day “A celebration of football” and said that Cologne had visited “a football world which seems to have been wiped clean with disinfectant.”

Unlike in Britain, some of the German tabloids eventually revised their initial reports. The Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger admitted: “That was no mob of violent freaks – quite the opposite.” Local Express later said: “No, there were no street battles. Much of what was reported came from authors who weren’t outside the away end, where only a tiny group of incorrigible idiots tarnished a great picture of the club.”

No such revision or apology has yet come from the British media, where the rush by journalists to direct blame at the supporters themselves carries worrying undertones that really do hark back to football’s darkest days.

In all those years that Cologne fans have been waiting to see their team play in Europe, Liverpool fans have been battling to absolve their loved ones from blame for their own deaths at Hillsborough. As had been widely reported – and legally proven in court - that blame came from a narrative driven by a British press who were only too keen to demonise football fans on behalf of this country’s elite.

Consequently, changes were made to British football which have seen whole generations and whole social classes all but banished from our football stadia, which have been transformed into theatres of passive entertainment for those who can afford it.

*The culture in Germany couldn’t be more different. A season ticket on Cologne’s south stand costs 165 euros and, consequently, the terrace is populated by younger supporters from all social classes and backgrounds. In accordance with German football’s 50+1 rule, the supporters’ groups have a direct influence in the running of their club.
Indeed, following recent developments in German football, they have even tabled a motion at next month’s AGM to prevent the sale of any of the club’s shares to an outside investor without the explicit consent of the membership. Their club literally belongs to them and their city, not to oligarchs, sheikhs, Chinese businessmen or American venture-capitalists.

But in their reporting of what happened at the Emirates on Thursday, the British football media showed that nothing has changed. Through their condemnation of a lively, vibrant football culture, they demonstrated that they are in thrall to an English football system which is scared of precisely that.

With the support of a compliant media, successive governments covered up the truth about Hillsborough in order to replace independently-thinking, actively engaged football supporters with passive consumers who will shut up, open their wallets and be entertained.

Cologne’s travelling support represented the antithesis of that vision and the British media, reliant on the Premier League’s billions for their very existence, were only too happy to condemn them. For that, they ought to be ashamed.

As Ian Stirling of the Manchester United Supporters’ Trust tweeted: “Cologne fans reminded us of what we lost as supporters. The media reports remind us of why we lost it.”

[WTF11]

I'll wrap this thread up now by posting a recent FSF article and note particular reference to paragraph 22 within it.It highlights how media project 'huge volumes of football fans gathering & subsequent Police handling' .............

Our FSF caseworker Amanda Jacks wrote about her experiences at last week's Europa League tie at the Emirates. In an accompanying feature, Cologne-based journalist Matt Ford thinks the British media misjudged the German fans. Here he explains why...

The outrage began even before the Europa League game between Arsenal and 1.FC Köln.

The Daily Mail reported that “thousands of ticketless Cologne fans fought with riot police.”

The Daily Express was one of many to splash the word “Chaos” across the front page. John Cross of the Daily Mirror wrote that a “night of shame at the Emirates was a sorry throwback to the shameful spectre of football’s 1980s hooligan days” under the headline: “Fear and Fire as Cologne fans storm the Emirates.”

According to them, kick-off had been delayed after an invading army of 20,000 drunk, violent, barbaric German football fans attempted to storm the stadium.

The German media were no different. In the immediate aftermath, Cologne’s local Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger said “Hooligans plunge Cologne’s Euro return into chaos.” Local tabloid Express said: “Thousands of ticketless Cologne fans overwhelmed the police.” BILD called it a “night of shame for German football.”

But that’s simply not what happened, as the reports of journalists who stood outside the away end and witnessed what happened testify. The thousands of ticketless Cologne fans didn’t overwhelm or fight with the police. They waited patiently and calmly in the rain and sang their carnival songs.

Nor did they all storm the stadium. A tiny minority of about 30-40 ultras attempted to. Out of 20,000. And it didn’t work. Within minutes, the police had the situation under control and made five arrests. Five. Out of 20,000.

The travelling supporters could hardly be described as “yobs” either. For the club’s biggest game in a quarter of a century, it wasn’t just the boisterous, young, male ultras who travelled. 1.FC Köln is so deeply embedded in the culture of Cologne that half the city had migrated. Young and old, rich and poor, male and female, entire families.

"Whatever happens, one thing is clear. The most beautiful thing we have is our city, where we stick together, whatever happens,” they sang in an ode to their home town.

But one can only assume that Mr Cross and their German tabloid colleagues penned their pieces during the hour’s delay from inside the comfortable Media Centre at the Emirates Stadium or from behind the desks in their offices back home. Judging by their conclusions, they couldn’t have stood in the rain, engaging with the

Cologne fans or watching what was happening outside the away end turnstiles.

Yet other journalists did, and more measured, informed reports emerged after the final whistle. Experienced football writer Andy Mitten said in GQ magazine that the Cologne supporters “weren’t like the drunken rabble of Glasgow Rangers fans who descended on Manchester for the 2008 UEFA Cup final, but in control and pleasant to be around.”

Sam Wallace of the Telegraph wrote: “Cologne's behaviour was nothing like football's dark ages - it was a group of passionate fans desperate to watch their club.”

As for me, I work as a football journalist in Cologne. I follow “FC” most weeks, know many of their fans personally and marched with them from their meeting point at Highbury Fields to the Emirates. As I wrote for Deutsche Welle, I consider the picture painted by the British media to be a complete exaggeration.

German colleagues at the match saw it differently too. Süddeutsche Zeitung’s Philipp Selldorf wrote: “Night of shame? A disproportionate exaggeration. There was a failed attempt to storm the turnstiles followed by a short skirmish and a few flares – nothing more than a regular Bundesliga match. The march through town, accompanied by just a few bobbies rather than massed riot police, was harmless. The atmosphere during the game and afterwards was happy and peaceful.”

I also spoke to Spiegel’s Hendrik Buchheister at the game. “Given that so many people had waited 25 years and travelled to London to wait in the rain not knowing whether they’d be allowed in at all, the situation was largely peaceful,” he wrote.

Magazine 11Freunde called the whole day “A celebration of football” and said that Cologne had visited “a football world which seems to have been wiped clean with disinfectant.”

Unlike in Britain, some of the German tabloids eventually revised their initial reports. The Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger admitted: “That was no mob of violent freaks – quite the opposite.” Local Express later said: “No, there were no street battles. Much of what was reported came from authors who weren’t outside the away end, where only a tiny group of incorrigible idiots tarnished a great picture of the club.”

No such revision or apology has yet come from the British media, where the rush by journalists to direct blame at the supporters themselves carries worrying undertones that really do hark back to football’s darkest days.

In all those years that Cologne fans have been waiting to see their team play in Europe, Liverpool fans have been battling to absolve their loved ones from blame for their own deaths at Hillsborough. As had been widely reported – and legally proven in court - that blame came from a narrative driven by a British press who were only too keen to demonise football fans on behalf of this country’s elite.

Consequently, changes were made to British football which have seen whole generations and whole social classes all but banished from our football stadia, which have been transformed into theatres of passive entertainment for those who can afford it.

*The culture in Germany couldn’t be more different. A season ticket on Cologne’s south stand costs 165 euros and, consequently, the terrace is populated by younger supporters from all social classes and backgrounds. In accordance with German football’s 50+1 rule, the supporters’ groups have a direct influence in the running of their club.
Indeed, following recent developments in German football, they have even tabled a motion at next month’s AGM to prevent the sale of any of the club’s shares to an outside investor without the explicit consent of the membership. Their club literally belongs to them and their city, not to oligarchs, sheikhs, Chinese businessmen or American venture-capitalists.

But in their reporting of what happened at the Emirates on Thursday, the British football media showed that nothing has changed. Through their condemnation of a lively, vibrant football culture, they demonstrated that they are in thrall to an English football system which is scared of precisely that.

With the support of a compliant media, successive governments covered up the truth about Hillsborough in order to replace independently-thinking, actively engaged football supporters with passive consumers who will shut up, open their wallets and be entertained.

Cologne’s travelling support represented the antithesis of that vision and the British media, reliant on the Premier League’s billions for their very existence, were only too happy to condemn them. For that, they ought to be ashamed.

As Ian Stirling of the Manchester United Supporters’ Trust tweeted: “Cologne fans reminded us of what we lost as supporters. The media reports remind us of why we lost it.”

"Like", a LOT!

[WTF11]

Is it ever possible for this to apply to UK football?

"*The culture in Germany couldn’t be more different. A season ticket on Cologne’s south stand costs 165 euros and, consequently, the terrace is populated by younger supporters from all social classes and backgrounds. In accordance with German football’s 50+1 rule, the supporters’ groups have a direct influence in the running of their club.
Indeed, following recent developments in German football, they have even tabled a motion at next month’s AGM to prevent the sale of any of the club’s shares to an outside investor without the explicit consent of the membership. Their club literally belongs to them and their city, not to oligarchs, sheikhs, Chinese businessmen or American venture-capitalists."

BE wonderful if it did happen, but I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting :?

[george_kaplan]

A short message to the police and authorities; treat people/fans like animals then they will behave like animals....

[MrsORichSenior]

A short message to the police and authorities; treat people/fans like animals then they will behave like animals....

Precisely George !

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[MrsORichSenior]

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FAO - Allenton Ramification

I will personally take on board what you clearly state & will take you up on the offer/challenge & as you can clearly see (above) not ALL Leeds United supporters should be tarnished with the same brush as the majority of US on away days are genuine and well behaved.Tremendous effort from Thames Valley Whites.
G Xx
MOT

[george_kaplan]

Depending on the result, whether they get a ride back south huh?!! :)

[Silentman]

happened to be end of row nearest to home fans at Cardiff so expect some gyp but a 'fan' in front of me came from somewhere else to join his mate (clearly wasn't where his ticket was) and spent the entire match (not exaggerating) taunting the home fans, paid absolutely no attention to the match in front of him whatsoever.

[MrsORichSenior]

Just another Monday as a Football Supporters Federation case worker. 🤕

My view ..........

There is a Derby fans song - "Since I was young .................. " 😖
Well - following Leeds 'since I was young' I've made a lot of acquaintances all over the place.One being a jolly nice chap who used to contribute to a football fanzine and is now a match day steward for the Rams,a very polite steward who wears a club tie .......... salt of the earth chap and straight talking type ......
Now and again our paths cross at matches or Internet forums with friendly banter exchanged over footie,politics & music etc and last week an email popped up for my attention relating to what Leeds United DON'T need.So I challenged the author over the email content relating to particular alleged incidents on our travels this season - I've now received THIS ! 😳
Apparently I was being accused of being slightly 'hypocritical' which I'm not - so for fair balance He & Me AGREED to air his forthright (un-edited) opinion about our fans & what is an acceptable behaviour remit with HIS obvious comparisons of my alleged roles involving niche music acts & orchestrated SAFE music crowd control (or lack of it from HIS view point)of which I've no probs within his opinion context may I add as he's a match day steward of many years with vast experience of crowd control procedures and obviously he's also aware that the Sleaford Mods are Forest lads in reality (allegedly). 🤐
I won't comment on the music related contents/comments as it's just 'banter' about PR 'staged shows' with no injuries or damage to property but it was an eye opener of a read for me (and others) which proves as a club Leeds has got a lot of work to do ON & OFF the field still and reiterates how valuable Football Forums candid opinions can be when questions are raised.
I'll look forward to our visit to Pride Park (or whatever it's called) next Feb to personally witness behaviour from both groups of supporters for the record too.
MOT

His view ............

Mrs ORS
So genuine Leeds Utd fans are being picked on then for attending football matches whilst the Leeds Utd minority drunken mob are credited for their intimidating behaviour. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SBuTdAy2evo
Football Mobs are Yobs then but not when part of a music crowd ?
Sorry Mrs O; but your moves do not match the grooves either way.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfRHeySD0Rg
Free Stella was it for the Forza Garibaldi rent a mob at that Nottz promo PR gig ?
Congratulations for getting 22,000 Nottz eyes finally back into Europe musically if not by their football team.How you get tickets sold for your soirée dansettes of East Midland lyrical attacks in such numbers to the Euro Paris revellers should be of a political concern or is it part of Corbyns overall master plan.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AoN-ya0w8es
Back on topic of Leeds Utd Away fans then Mrs O;
1; Fair to say the majority are OK nowadays and it amazes how far your British fan base stretches which all championship clubs do envy;so our only Leeds Utd complaints for what they are worth are the intimidating songs constantly sung are punctuated with obscene profane language which somewhat spoils a tremendous travelling show and not great for your new owner public relation and sponsorship wise surely.
(Karl Dale, 19, was part of a group of fans returning on a Metro train from the Sunderland v Leeds Utd match on 19 August 2017 according to British Transport Police.The train was extremely busy with a number of people who were shocked and intimidated by Dale’s behaviour. “Trains and stations are not extensions of football terraces and fans cannot expect to travel on trains drinking excessive amounts of alcohol, singing and shouting offensive songs and behaving in an anti-social manner without us taking action".)
Its a reminder of the bad old days connection of boots and braces fan culture entwined with music culture;but where to draw line as acceptable behaviour under these days of PC media attention is the issue that needs addressing within Leeds fan bases yet again.This same issue was addressed in 1987 by the Leeds board who published 20,000 letters to the fans ending with "Please 'sing your hearts out for the lads' - but keep it clean.A time when Leeds had NF activists among its ranks despite Bremner signing Vince Hilaire and Noel Blake to appease his board before being fired - facts on record that you stated at a Kick out Racism meeting a while back Mrs O when you also mentioned the effects of earlier 80's crowd abuse to your friend Terry Connor and how Leeds rallied around him at that time and the later 80's initiatives implemented by Howard Wilkinsons club rebuild policies which involved positive crowd involvement.Points that were revisited again recently in the media some thirty years later since Wilkinsons plan of the power that the club has in the city through its grassroots community engagement work to enthuse, inspire and make a difference, especially to the lives of young people of Leeds and surrounding areas all being flagged up.
2; Question is does football want the like of 1980's ugly connections today ? Your music industry obviously still does language and politically wise but Derby County football club certainly does not as its scours the globe for interest from financial backers,no club surely would want such mob associations today.Like Leeds Utd Derby County attracts Premier League attendances unlike Forest; but we don't have the anything goes atmosphere of anarchy thats infiltrated your renegade supporters on their travels this season blasting from the past.
http://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/reports-crowd-trouble-after-nottingham-387790
3; Terrific to see a full away end and great for our nearby retail park cash tills but those obscene chants with gestures are out of order and not so good for the next generation of fans that Derby County tries to encourage like Leeds Utd into the stadium;so time to curb those sporadic expletives Leeds and maybe then will you receive the welcome you appear to suggest your team fans visit warrant Mrs O.
4; Remind me whats the Football Supporters Federation stance on acceptable behaviour from clubs support home and away,in your case particularly Leeds ?
5; Great focused letter piece you wrote in The Morning Star a while back on UK Mental Health which was an excellent read that I guess was well received amongst the echelon of the NHS that you strive to change.That spirited venom retracts when you appear to condone offensive language fuelled by drink in congregations whether it be football or music based on the theory that its perfectly acceptable if it financially puts bums on seats and adds to local commerce coffers.Yes,responsible change is required in my opinion particularly with regards to football hence this topic posting; Maybe today only music is the perfect idiom for mob culture to attach its proverbial self to in these uncertain times as its done over previous generations under the music industries auspice banner of the voice for political change.
6; Can Leeds change that uncouth element that is attached to its support root or indeed do Leeds really want to as long as seats are being sold then Mrs O ?
Until that remedy is found Leeds fans will always be treated differently no matter what.As the fact is Leeds do have an intimidating unwelcome rabble on their travels to and from stadia,they fill stadia concourses with obscene songs which offend decent fans and in doing so disrupt well laid security plans as you well know. Which is just not the case with other club followers who attend matches at Derby County.Bad behaviour is worn as a Leeds badge of honour and yet presented as acceptable intimidation which is certainly not the case from our camps view.
Your conduit role should not be to give football fans help and advice but to point out lessons can still be learned and addressed in all aspects of support good,bad and ugly to the powers that be,in your case the Board of Leeds United pronto with these recent gems spouted off on a notorious LUFC site for their immediate attention.
a; Since when have Leeds fans cared about correct social etiquette and political correctness.
b; It will be bad enough when we get back into the Premier League sanitised ****e and we won’t be allowed to swear without Sky or BT apologising. Anfield last season where they were ringing up to complain about our “filthy songs”.



See you at Elland Road Mrs O for the Halloween three pointer with a plate of local grinders later under the full moon of Brasserie ***** for a serious natter then ok ?
TAR

[george_kaplan]

This dude speaks a lot and says nothing, obviously a derby anti LEEDS no matter what we do. I have no time for folk like this cretin, picking apart anything LEEDS. You say he's a friend?? We don't like derby and they don't like us. With his long drawn out drivel what part doesn't he seem to get? Any fan of any team in any league in any country can get into a rival club and say more or LESS the same garbage. There is always going to be a few no matter what walk of life. You get into a crowd and you get caught up in it, human nature. I've done my share of concerts and it happens and then it's over. Check out the Vancouver riots after a hockey game, Canadians rioting and looting.....Canadians!!
A quick message to your 'friend' Mrs O......tell him and his derby haters to fnck off, hope the bad language offends the windbag.

[WTF11]

Just another Monday as a Football Supporters Federation case worker. 🤕

My view ..........

There is a Derby fans song - "Since I was young .................. " 😖
Well - following Leeds 'since I was young' I've made a lot of acquaintances all over the place.One being a jolly nice chap who used to contribute to a football fanzine and is now a match day steward for the Rams,a very polite steward who wears a club tie .......... salt of the earth chap and straight talking type ......
Now and again our paths cross at matches or Internet forums with friendly banter exchanged over footie,politics & music etc and last week an email popped up for my attention relating to what Leeds United DON'T need.So I challenged the author over the email content relating to particular alleged incidents on our travels this season - I've now received THIS ! 😳
Apparently I was being accused of being slightly 'hypocritical' which I'm not - so for fair balance He & Me AGREED to air his forthright (un-edited) opinion about our fans & what is an acceptable behaviour remit with HIS obvious comparisons of my alleged roles involving niche music acts & orchestrated SAFE music crowd control (or lack of it from HIS view point)of which I've no probs within his opinion context may I add as he's a match day steward of many years with vast experience of crowd control procedures and obviously he's also aware that the Sleaford Mods are Forest lads in reality (allegedly). 🤐
I won't comment on the music related contents/comments as it's just 'banter' about PR 'staged shows' with no injuries or damage to property but it was an eye opener of a read for me (and others) which proves as a club Leeds has got a lot of work to do ON & OFF the field still and reiterates how valuable Football Forums candid opinions can be when questions are raised.
I'll look forward to our visit to Pride Park (or whatever it's called) next Feb to personally witness behaviour from both groups of supporters for the record too.
MOT

His view ............

Mrs ORS
So genuine Leeds Utd fans are being picked on then for attending football matches whilst the Leeds Utd minority drunken mob are credited for their intimidating behaviour. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SBuTdAy2evo
Football Mobs are Yobs then but not when part of a music crowd ?
Sorry Mrs O; but your moves do not match the grooves either way.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfRHeySD0Rg
Free Stella was it for the Forza Garibaldi rent a mob at that Nottz promo PR gig ?
Congratulations for getting 22,000 Nottz eyes finally back into Europe musically if not by their football team.How you get tickets sold for your soirée dansettes of East Midland lyrical attacks in such numbers to the Euro Paris revellers should be of a political concern or is it part of Corbyns overall master plan.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AoN-ya0w8es
Back on topic of Leeds Utd Away fans then Mrs O;
1; Fair to say the majority are OK nowadays and it amazes how far your British fan base stretches which all championship clubs do envy;so our only Leeds Utd complaints for what they are worth are the intimidating songs constantly sung are punctuated with obscene profane language which somewhat spoils a tremendous travelling show and not great for your new owner public relation and sponsorship wise surely.
(Karl Dale, 19, was part of a group of fans returning on a Metro train from the Sunderland v Leeds Utd match on 19 August 2017 according to British Transport Police.The train was extremely busy with a number of people who were shocked and intimidated by Dale’s behaviour. “Trains and stations are not extensions of football terraces and fans cannot expect to travel on trains drinking excessive amounts of alcohol, singing and shouting offensive songs and behaving in an anti-social manner without us taking action".)
Its a reminder of the bad old days connection of boots and braces fan culture entwined with music culture;but where to draw line as acceptable behaviour under these days of PC media attention is the issue that needs addressing within Leeds fan bases yet again.This same issue was addressed in 1987 by the Leeds board who published 20,000 letters to the fans ending with "Please 'sing your hearts out for the lads' - but keep it clean.A time when Leeds had NF activists among its ranks despite Bremner signing Vince Hilaire and Noel Blake to appease his board before being fired - facts on record that you stated at a Kick out Racism meeting a while back Mrs O when you also mentioned the effects of earlier 80's crowd abuse to your friend Terry Connor and how Leeds rallied around him at that time and the later 80's initiatives implemented by Howard Wilkinsons club rebuild policies which involved positive crowd involvement.Points that were revisited again recently in the media some thirty years later since Wilkinsons plan of the power that the club has in the city through its grassroots community engagement work to enthuse, inspire and make a difference, especially to the lives of young people of Leeds and surrounding areas all being flagged up.
2; Question is does football want the like of 1980's ugly connections today ? Your music industry obviously still does language and politically wise but Derby County football club certainly does not as its scours the globe for interest from financial backers,no club surely would want such mob associations today.Like Leeds Utd Derby County attracts Premier League attendances unlike Forest; but we don't have the anything goes atmosphere of anarchy thats infiltrated your renegade supporters on their travels this season blasting from the past.
http://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/reports-crowd-trouble-after-nottingham-387790
3; Terrific to see a full away end and great for our nearby retail park cash tills but those obscene chants with gestures are out of order and not so good for the next generation of fans that Derby County tries to encourage like Leeds Utd into the stadium;so time to curb those sporadic expletives Leeds and maybe then will you receive the welcome you appear to suggest your team fans visit warrant Mrs O.
4; Remind me whats the Football Supporters Federation stance on acceptable behaviour from clubs support home and away,in your case particularly Leeds ?
5; Great focused letter piece you wrote in The Morning Star a while back on UK Mental Health which was an excellent read that I guess was well received amongst the echelon of the NHS that you strive to change.That spirited venom retracts when you appear to condone offensive language fuelled by drink in congregations whether it be football or music based on the theory that its perfectly acceptable if it financially puts bums on seats and adds to local commerce coffers.Yes,responsible change is required in my opinion particularly with regards to football hence this topic posting; Maybe today only music is the perfect idiom for mob culture to attach its proverbial self to in these uncertain times as its done over previous generations under the music industries auspice banner of the voice for political change.
6; Can Leeds change that uncouth element that is attached to its support root or indeed do Leeds really want to as long as seats are being sold then Mrs O ?
Until that remedy is found Leeds fans will always be treated differently no matter what.As the fact is Leeds do have an intimidating unwelcome rabble on their travels to and from stadia,they fill stadia concourses with obscene songs which offend decent fans and in doing so disrupt well laid security plans as you well know. Which is just not the case with other club followers who attend matches at Derby County.Bad behaviour is worn as a Leeds badge of honour and yet presented as acceptable intimidation which is certainly not the case from our camps view.
Your conduit role should not be to give football fans help and advice but to point out lessons can still be learned and addressed in all aspects of support good,bad and ugly to the powers that be,in your case the Board of Leeds United pronto with these recent gems spouted off on a notorious LUFC site for their immediate attention.
a; Since when have Leeds fans cared about correct social etiquette and political correctness.
b; It will be bad enough when we get back into the Premier League sanitised ****e and we won’t be allowed to swear without Sky or BT apologising. Anfield last season where they were ringing up to complain about our “filthy songs”.



See you at Elland Road Mrs O for the Halloween three pointer with a plate of local grinders later under the full moon of Brasserie ***** for a serious natter then ok ?
TAR

Jeeeeessussss Christ! And I get ribbed for the length of my posts! Fell asleep half way through, but what I did read prompted the "pan, kettle, black" analogy.

As said on other posts, we don't like Derby and Derby (and others) don't like us. I (and most others), can deal with that. This is a Leeds board, for Leeds fans (excepting Alf of course). The rest can go and bore the hell off others, thank you very much.

[alfinyalcabo]

This threads a good cure for insomnia.. :zzz:

[spaldy]

I'd be curious as to any team that has 10k+ away supporters and has no idiots in the bunch?

Not making excuses but also think it's unrealistic to get that many people of any team together and not have some problems.

i guess its safe to say the when we have away supporters at ER they are all "well behaved" as well?

[MrsORichSenior]

WTF11- "This is a Leeds board, for Leeds fans (excepting Alf of course). The rest can go and bore the hell off others, thank you very much".

Greek philosopher then are you WTF11. 👏
The most trusted authorities are considered to be those in closest touch with the recent form of the horse that is, stable lads, trainers etc. The notional term 'from the horse's mouth'is supposed to indicate one step better than even that inner circle, That is, the horse itself ! 👍
'People don’t buy what you do. They buy why you do it'.
So in my case always start with “Why.”

"Do you realise that ticket ALLOCATIONS for us are based on the behaviour and number of incidents - not ALL of us wish to be glued to Sky 'cos of the idiotic few on our travels ................. "
Touché

[WTF11]

WTF11- "This is a Leeds board, for Leeds fans (excepting Alf of course). The rest can go and bore the hell off others, thank you very much".

Greek philosopher then are you WTF11. 👏
The most trusted authorities are considered to be those in closest touch with the recent form of the horse that is, stable lads, trainers etc. The notional term 'from the horse's mouth'is supposed to indicate one step better than even that inner circle, That is, the horse itself ! 👍
'People don’t buy what you do. They buy why you do it'.
So in my case always start with “Why.”

"Do you realise that ticket ALLOCATIONS for us are based on the behaviour and number of incidents - not ALL of us wish to be glued to Sky 'cos of the idiotic few on our travels ................. "
Touché

Completely at a loss understanding the references to horse and mouth, probably not smart enough, but......

I suspect away allocations are a bloody sight more influenced by demand. Not much point allocating 5000 tickets to a bunch if angels who can only muster 500 is there? Demand for Leeds away tickets always outstrips supply and just because some numbnuts decides to throw a flare, or rude words are sung, our opposition will regularly allocate us more tickets than any other side in the Championship.

And as for the "friend" from Derby.......who are they and why do they see the need to use you as a conduit to this board? Others from other clubs post here, how com this person (and Rosey), feel the need to use a proxy to do so?

[MrsORichSenior]

Reduced allocations are fact ....... have you tried to obtain an away ticket recently.
All damage done within stadiums is settled by club & any reported 'incidents' to FL regarding 'objects' thrown onto field of play the club gets fined and issued a warning.
All Evidence obtained from clubs regarding objects thrown into spectator areas,racist chanting etc is examined to identify culprits who receive bans if proven.
All clubs Security trawl media to identify 'faces' & relay information to Police,Stewards of possible trouble occuring prior to match days.

The bloke from Derby does his job well & I'm surprised at your comments as you don't 'attend' many away games to even comment.

Rosey is banned from Mad but hey ho ............... I put his twopence in as he's a mate.
I put the Derby stewards email on under my account as to protect his identity.

I try to balance all facts and occasionally use my private FSF correspondence to put folks into the picture over events maybe not known.
Safe standing & trying to get decent pricing for folks to attend matches is an issue I address more than any other because it will help to get folks back into football stadiums which should be a safe environment to visit.

Always easy for criticism - but 'water off a ducks back' to me !
So there you have it from the 'horses mouth'.
ALAW

Ps The bloke on the train got a 3 year ban from attending all Leeds matches.He was identified as a 'face' in other unreported incidents so the club did act which - was not reported.

[Ozwhites]

Reduced allocations are fact ....... have you tried to obtain an away ticket recently.
All damage done within stadiums is settled by club & any reported 'incidents' to FL regarding 'objects' thrown onto field of play the club gets fined and issued a warning.
All Evidence obtained from clubs regarding objects thrown into spectator areas,racist chanting etc is examined to identify culprits who receive bans if proven.
All clubs Security trawl media to identify 'faces' & relay information to Police,Stewards of possible trouble occuring prior to match days.

The bloke from Derby does his job well & I'm surprised at your comments as you don't 'attend' many away games to even comment.

Rosey is banned from Mad but hey ho ............... I put his twopence in as he's a mate.
I put the Derby stewards email on under my account as to protect his identity.

I try to balance all facts and occasionally use my private FSF correspondence to put folks into the picture over events maybe not known.
Safe standing & trying to get decent pricing for folks to attend matches is an issue I address more than any other because it will help to get folks back into football stadiums which should be a safe environment to visit.

Always easy for criticism - but 'water off a ducks back' to me !
So there you have it from the 'horses mouth'.
ALAW

Ps The bloke on the train got a 3 year ban from attending all Leeds matches.He was identified as a 'face' in other unreported incidents so the club did act which - was not reported.

You are still at big odds to have the last reply here... 😉

[Tichi1]

Reduced allocations are fact ....... have you tried to obtain an away ticket recently.
All damage done within stadiums is settled by club & any reported 'incidents' to FL regarding 'objects' thrown onto field of play the club gets fined and issued a warning.
All Evidence obtained from clubs regarding objects thrown into spectator areas,racist chanting etc is examined to identify culprits who receive bans if proven.
All clubs Security trawl media to identify 'faces' & relay information to Police,Stewards of possible trouble occuring prior to match days.

The bloke from Derby does his job well & I'm surprised at your comments as you don't 'attend' many away games to even comment.

Rosey is banned from Mad but hey ho ............... I put his twopence in as he's a mate.
I put the Derby stewards email on under my account as to protect his identity.

I try to balance all facts and occasionally use my private FSF correspondence to put folks into the picture over events maybe not known.
Safe standing & trying to get decent pricing for folks to attend matches is an issue I address more than any other because it will help to get folks back into football stadiums which should be a safe environment to visit.

Always easy for criticism - but 'water off a ducks back' to me !
So there you have it from the 'horses mouth'.
ALAW

Ps The bloke on the train got a 3 year ban from attending all Leeds matches.He was identified as a 'face' in other unreported incidents so the club did act which - was not reported.


Carry on posting Mrs O - you are one of the posters on here who seems to have a pretty balanced perspective - and you also post things that we don't see anywhere else - so just keep 'em coming - better than reading a lot of the negative drivel that's been on here in spades the last three weeks!

I quite enjoy the idiot Roseylee's posts too [Obviously thick as mince - he thinks WTF11 is the only sensible poster on here since he got himself banned LOL]

Anyway - another decent performance hopefully tonight - and we will be back on track ......fingers crossed

[WTF11]

Reduced allocations are fact ....... have you tried to obtain an away ticket recently.
All damage done within stadiums is settled by club & any reported 'incidents' to FL regarding 'objects' thrown onto field of play the club gets fined and issued a warning.
All Evidence obtained from clubs regarding objects thrown into spectator areas,racist chanting etc is examined to identify culprits who receive bans if proven.
All clubs Security trawl media to identify 'faces' & relay information to Police,Stewards of possible trouble occuring prior to match days.

The bloke from Derby does his job well & I'm surprised at your comments as you don't 'attend' many away games to even comment.

Rosey is banned from Mad but hey ho ............... I put his twopence in as he's a mate.
I put the Derby stewards email on under my account as to protect his identity.

I try to balance all facts and occasionally use my private FSF correspondence to put folks into the picture over events maybe not known.
Safe standing & trying to get decent pricing for folks to attend matches is an issue I address more than any other because it will help to get folks back into football stadiums which should be a safe environment to visit.

Always easy for criticism - but 'water off a ducks back' to me !
So there you have it from the 'horses mouth'.
ALAW

Ps The bloke on the train got a 3 year ban from attending all Leeds matches.He was identified as a 'face' in other unreported incidents so the club did act which - was not reported.

Usually respect your posts, even if I don't always agree with them. On this occasion you seem to have developed prescience and divine insight as to how many matches ( home or away) I attend. Curious as to how many or fe that happens to be, but hey let's not let fact prevent a dig or two.

As to the reduced allocations, of course behaviours has an effect on a club's view but to suggest that the nutter who threw a flare, or fans including obscenties in a chant ( home or away), is going to materially affect allocation flies in the face of commercial reality.

[WTF11]

Carry on posting Mrs O - you are one of the posters on here who seems to have a pretty balanced perspective - and you also post things that we don't see anywhere else - so just keep 'em coming - better than reading a lot of the negative drivel that's been on here in spades the last three weeks!

I quite enjoy the idiot Roseylee's posts too [Obviously thick as mince - he thinks WTF11 is the only sensible poster on here since he got himself banned LOL]

Anyway - another decent performance hopefully tonight - and we will be back on track ......fingers crossed

Errrr, I don't think Rosey and I see eye to eye on very much, thank you.

[MrsORichSenior]

QPR - Loftus Road

Just wish to point out that 3 smoke bombs were thrown AFTER the away fans were informed by the Loftus Road PA announcer just before the end of the first half that no alcohol would be served to them at half-time.The news was met with a loud groan from the away end and chants of ‘you’re not drinking anymore’ from the locals which raised a seasonal festive laugh (well it had been a dull first 45).

More worrying was how the hell, despite vigorous searching by stewards ring fencing the stadia, did the 'bombs' get inside the ground ?
Had a lot of complaints of our 'Away day' of unfair treatment again and fans from our recent visit to W. London including several female supporters have reported discriminatory stewarding tactics inside & outside of Loftus Road.http://www.followmeandleedsunited.co.uk/qpr-v-leeds-united-9th-december-2017
- so anyone at the game is welcome to add comment for my attention to forward on by pm on 'ere.
Thank you.

[alfinyalcabo]

QPR - Loftus Road

Just wish to point out that 3 smoke bombs were thrown AFTER the away fans were informed by the Loftus Road PA announcer just before the end of the first half that no alcohol would be served to them at half-time.The news was met with a loud groan from the away end and chants of ‘you’re not drinking anymore’ from the locals which raised a seasonal festive laugh (well it had been a dull first 45).

More worrying was how the hell, despite vigorous searching by stewards ring fencing the stadia, did the 'bombs' get inside the ground ?
Had a lot of complaints of our 'Away day' of unfair treatment again and fans from our recent visit to W. London including several female supporters have reported discriminatory stewarding tactics inside & outside of Loftus Road.http://www.followmeandleedsunited.co.uk/qpr-v-leeds-united-9th-december-2017
- so anyone at the game is welcome to add comment for my attention to forward on by pm on 'ere.
Thank you.

"More worrying was how the hell, despite vigorous searching by stewards ring fencing the stadia, did the 'bombs' get inside the ground"

Probably smuggled in by a lady.. >;)

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

[QUOTE=alfinyalcabo;38730325]"More worrying was how the hell, despite vigorous searching by stewards ring fencing the stadia, did

I go to mainly away games these days and have done since we dropped to L1 a few years back.

I don’t think we are any worse than any other team in terms of away fans and in many respects much better. Assuming a small percentage of all fans are going to from time to behave idiotically as we tend to take significantly more people that most teams in raw numbers it is likely we may have more indviduals who can bahave badly but....

I have rarely seen massive trouble, when people behave stupidly often fellow Leeds fans intervene and calm things down. Also we are loud, blunt and northern so a lot of peeps don’t know how to take that or are not used to the noise. We tend to wear the passion for the club on our sleeves and that passion can be mistaken for something else.

Most home fans love the atmosphere we bring. A lot of scans of southern teams don’t like us as we are northerners and can’t understand everything being sung.

Most of all we are whether by birth or choice fully paid up members of the people’s republic of Yorkshire that means we scratch where it itches not where it looks good. Both my kids vividly remember their first games I took them to (different games and both away) for the wall of noise our fans made.

In my job I deal with the police a fair bit and most of them think our fans our fine,

So no Mrs O I don’t think our fans are a rabble I think almost without fail that they support the team magnificently and I suspect a lot of home fans secretly wish their support was even half as loud and passionate.

MOT

[WTF11]

[QUOTE=alfinyalcabo;38730325]"More worrying was how the hell, despite vigorous searching by stewards ring fencing the stadia, did

I go to mainly away games these days and have done since we dropped to L1 a few years back.

I don’t think we are any worse than any other team in terms of away fans and in many respects much better. Assuming a small percentage of all fans are going to from time to behave idiotically as we tend to take significantly more people that most teams in raw numbers it is likely we may have more indviduals who can bahave badly but....

I have rarely seen massive trouble, when people behave stupidly often fellow Leeds fans intervene and calm things down. Also we are loud, blunt and northern so a lot of peeps don’t know how to take that or are not used to the noise. We tend to wear the passion for the club on our sleeves and that passion can be mistaken for something else.

Most home fans love the atmosphere we bring. A lot of scans of southern teams don’t like us as we are northerners and can’t understand everything being sung.

Most of all we are whether by birth or choice fully paid up members of the people’s republic of Yorkshire that means we scratch where it itches not where it looks good. Both my kids vividly remember their first games I took them to (different games and both away) for the wall of noise our fans made.

In my job I deal with the police a fair bit and most of them think our fans our fine,

So no Mrs O I don’t think our fans are a rabble I think almost without fail that they support the team magnificently and I suspect a lot of home fans secretly wish their support was even half as loud and passionate.

MOT

A-f00king-men to that!

[alfinyalcabo]

[QUOTE=alfinyalcabo;38730325]"More worrying was how the hell, despite vigorous searching by stewards ring fencing the stadia, did

I go to mainly away games these days and have done since we dropped to L1 a few years back.

I don’t think we are any worse than any other team in terms of away fans and in many respects much better. Assuming a small percentage of all fans are going to from time to behave idiotically as we tend to take significantly more people that most teams in raw numbers it is likely we may have more indviduals who can bahave badly but....

I have rarely seen massive trouble, when people behave stupidly often fellow Leeds fans intervene and calm things down. Also we are loud, blunt and northern so a lot of peeps don’t know how to take that or are not used to the noise. We tend to wear the passion for the club on our sleeves and that passion can be mistaken for something else.

Most home fans love the atmosphere we bring. A lot of scans of southern teams don’t like us as we are northerners and can’t understand everything being sung.

Most of all we are whether by birth or choice fully paid up members of the people’s republic of Yorkshire that means we scratch where it itches not where it looks good. Both my kids vividly remember their first games I took them to (different games and both away) for the wall of noise our fans made.

In my job I deal with the police a fair bit and most of them think our fans our fine,

So no Mrs O I don’t think our fans are a rabble I think almost without fail that they support the team magnificently and I suspect a lot of home fans secretly wish their support was even half as loud and passionate.

MOT

In my job I deal with the police a fair bit..

Do you help them with their enquiries ?

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

[QUOTE=hopelesslyoptimistic;38730490]

In my job I deal with the police a fair bit..

Do you help them with their enquiries ?

I provide counselling services to Burnley’s finest to help them cope with PTSD issues arising from dealing with Dingles and attending Turf Moor ��������

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

.... and I know you prefer the Leeds forum to your own Alf but your question infers you forgot you are on this board and not the Burnleeeee one ...

[alfinyalcabo]

[QUOTE=alfinyalcabo;38730500]

I provide counselling services to Burnley’s finest to help them cope with PTSD issues arising from dealing with Dingles and attending Turf Moor ��������


PTSD..???.... Premier trending super Dingles ..:star:

[alfinyalcabo]

.... and I know you prefer the Leeds forum to your own Alf but your question infers you forgot you are on this board and not the Burnleeeee one ...

Well,I do like the banter on here with you lads ..You're not a set of bad lads for Yawkies..O:)

[MrsORichSenior]

http://i63.tinypic.com/fyd6oh.jpg

Seasons greetings Alf

Very strict guidelines on any Private Security Staff remit which was breached end of and QPR Health & Safety was poor also on the day.
Seats sold didn't exist,entry points blocked,young 'uns standing on seats,a pregnant lady objected to security scanning wand being placed over her tummy ....... all effective communication was badly handled causing upset too -so a constructive letter will be sent rest assured pointing out matters.
Three 'bombs' (blue yellow white albeit) smuggled into a London venue ?
I love 'our atmosphere' generated & have no problem with intimidating smoking flares either but respect the fact some fans don't like 'em and in this day and age I have to accept such devices should not be allowed in sadly for obvious logical reason and realise that some fans need to be educated why.
Jeez ......... getting out of France I undergo 10 searches & arriving in England only had 1 search (at Loftus Road) ......... frightening !

For balance I got a lovely response from a couple who attended the game with Leeds fan relatives (an elderly couple) who then went on later to the West End to see Motown the Musical were they enjoyed an alcoholic drink,got shown to their seat and received nothing but courtesy yet earlier they had been treated like ferrel scum,searched twice by probing security wands (the size of chainsaws) then pushed along to wrong seats,endured restricted views and no access to the overcrowded toilet blocks for themselves and budding Leeds fan grandchild.
Bloody disgraceful,IMO.


https://www.bsia.co.uk/Portals/4/Publications/231-security-searches-cop.pdf

[MrsORichSenior]

[QUOTE=alfinyalcabo;38730325]"More worrying was how the hell, despite vigorous searching by stewards ring fencing the stadia, did

I go to mainly away games these days and have done since we dropped to L1 a few years back.

I don’t think we are any worse than any other team in terms of away fans and in many respects much better. Assuming a small percentage of all fans are going to from time to behave idiotically as we tend to take significantly more people that most teams in raw numbers it is likely we may have more indviduals who can bahave badly but....

I have rarely seen massive trouble, when people behave stupidly often fellow Leeds fans intervene and calm things down. Also we are loud, blunt and northern so a lot of peeps don’t know how to take that or are not used to the noise. We tend to wear the passion for the club on our sleeves and that passion can be mistaken for something else.

Most home fans love the atmosphere we bring. A lot of scans of southern teams don’t like us as we are northerners and can’t understand everything being sung.

Most of all we are whether by birth or choice fully paid up members of the people’s republic of Yorkshire that means we scratch where it itches not where it looks good. Both my kids vividly remember their first games I took them to (different games and both away) for the wall of noise our fans made.

In my job I deal with the police a fair bit and most of them think our fans our fine,

So no Mrs O I don’t think our fans are a rabble I think almost without fail that they support the team magnificently and I suspect a lot of home fans secretly wish their support was even half as loud and passionate.

MOT

Thank you for that response - our club,myself & FSF have noted it.
:star:
MOT

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

No worries Mrs O.

Think you spend a fair bit of time in London (I live and work there) and stewarding and policing tends to be harsher in the capital than elsewhere with crowds seem as a problem to be managed rather than as a group of people to be engaged with.

There is a group within the met police called the TSG (tactical support group) that tends to be involved in crowd management and which where there are reviews of police behaviour don’t always come out smelling of roses. I believe Large parts of the rest of the met refer to them as something else using the same initials and only group is the same.

Any analysis of stats beyond raw data I suspect tends not to happen. So if you have away fans of 300 and 10 cause trouble that is 10 trouble makers. If you have away fans of 6000 and 30 cause trouble then the analysis would be 30 trouble makers.

[Turfmoorspirit]

"More worrying was how the hell, despite vigorous searching by stewards ring fencing the stadia, did the 'bombs' get inside the ground"

Probably smuggled in by a lady.. >;) Nah ! Leeds fans are used to having things up thier &rse. Very easy to shove a device up the rectum ,they tell me ! O:)

[george_kaplan]

Nah ! Leeds fans are used to having things up thier &rse. Very easy to shove a device up the rectum ,they tell me ! O:)


.... XD XD and don't we know it mate, the FL & FA have been screwing LUFC up the ass for years! ;D

[Turfmoorspirit]

[QUOTE=hopelesslyoptimistic;38730490]

In my job I deal with the police a fair bit..

Do you help them with their enquiries ? You deal with the po lice ! , do you mean you get arrested as much as me ? :D

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

[QUOTE=alfinyalcabo;38730500] You deal with the po lice ! , do you mean you get arrested as much as me ? :D

i don’t support Burnleeeee so I suspect my dealings with the police are markedly different and altogether more professional than yours!