O/T - Thank you John Mann, MP

[TheBlackHorse]

... Question Time : the Labour Brexiteer blew open the fact that the Treasury Civil Service so-called mandarins are simply a bunch of shysters. Of course he couldn't use those words but we knew what he meant. He cut to the core by saying these so-called experts base their numbers on immigration figures, ie., the lower the number of in-bound immigrants the greater the fall in UK economic performance. These are the Remoaners who prophesied financial doom if we voted to leave. Why do we tolerate these incompetent idiots? The problem is the cosy, comfortable establishment don't want change and are clearly intent on undermining the Brexit process because at some point they will be losing their index-linked final salary pension, amongst other things. It shows that they don't have a clue by expecting their leaked, unfinished Brexit Impact Report to be worthy of viewing - how naïve/thick are they?

[BigFatPie]

Excellent analysis as always Hoss.

[Elite_Pie]

Excellent analysis as always Hoss.

Agreed, it leaves a warm glow knowing we have such a united government pursuing a clear, well thought-out and effective Brexit policy.

[The-Mac pie]

"Great" Britain

[Old_pie]

May should have just offered us up to the Chinese, Win Win, or is that win-win?

[sidders]

... Question Time : the Labour Brexiteer blew open the fact that the Treasury Civil Service so-called mandarins are simply a bunch of shysters. Of course he couldn't use those words but we knew what he meant. He cut to the core by saying these so-called experts base their numbers on immigration figures, ie., the lower the number of in-bound immigrants the greater the fall in UK economic performance. These are the Remoaners who prophesied financial doom if we voted to leave. Why do we tolerate these incompetent idiots? The problem is the cosy, comfortable establishment don't want change and are clearly intent on undermining the Brexit process because at some point they will be losing their index-linked final salary pension, amongst other things. It shows that they don't have a clue by expecting their leaked, unfinished Brexit Impact Report to be worthy of viewing - how naïve/thick are they?

who are the 'we' to whom you refer, o equus?

[SwalePie]

who are the 'we' to whom you refer, o equus?

I think he means the 1/3rd minority of the electorate who voted to leave.

[Oh no, now I've done it haven't I!]

[since41]

May should have just offered us up to the Chinese, Win Win, or is that win-win?

No should be vin vin don't forget the Chinese can't pronounce their rubblues .i live among a few thousand of them good people though .

[Old_pie]

No should be vin vin don't forget the Chinese can't pronounce their rubblues .i live among a few thousand of them good people though .

Is it true that they refer to us westerners as "round eyes"?

[seriouspie]

who are the 'we' to whom you refer, o equus?

The referendum winners.

Ooooh ...... and I think the Donald is going to crush that Mueller bloke. You know the one Sid .... the one you said would get our Don removed from office. Ah well, when will you Lefties ever learn. My £20 looks safer every passing week, just a pity I've another 3 years wait to collect.

[drillerpie]

The referendum winners.

Ooooh ...... and I think the Donald is going to crush that Mueller bloke. You know the one Sid .... the one you said would get our Don removed from office. Ah well, when will you Lefties ever learn. My £20 looks safer every passing week, just a pity I've another 3 years wait to collect.

Why would he want or need to crush Mueller if he's got nothing to hide?

[Redrag]

I think he means the 1/3rd minority of the electorate who voted to leave.

[Oh no, now I've done it haven't I!]

I think that he meant the majority of the electorate who voted to leave, despite all the desperate attempts by the Government and establishment to force them to stay.

You know, the ones who actually won the vote under the rules established (and bent) by the Remainers.

[Redrag]

The referendum winners.

Ooooh ...... and I think the Donald is going to crush that Mueller bloke. You know the one Sid .... the one you said would get our Don removed from office. Ah well, when will you Lefties ever learn. My £20 looks safer every passing week, just a pity I've another 3 years wait to collect.

If you are prepared to wait a bit longer, you could roll-over the winnings to a bet that he will win a second term.

[Redrag]

Is it true that they refer to us westerners as "round eyes"?

No, they would generally use dà bízi, meaning "big nose." Big nose is often used by the Chinese as a name for westerners. Try googling it and you will see.

[seriouspie]

Why would he want or need to crush Mueller if he's got nothing to hide?

Meant in the context that Trump will publicly ridicule Mueller for failing to prove anything. According to Sid's original hysterical reasoning's on the matter, all we had to do was wait for Mueller's report which could then have possibly had Trump impeached.

[seriouspie]

If you are prepared to wait a bit longer, you could roll-over the winnings to a bet that he will win a second term.

I'd do that now....... I think it's nailed on he'll piss a second term. He's earning people money and that's one thing the Yanks love above all. I don't particularly like the bloke but I admire him making things happen for his country.

[sidders]

Meant in the context that Trump will publicly ridicule Mueller for failing to prove anything. According to Sid's original hysterical reasoning's on the matter, all we had to do was wait for Mueller's report which could then have possibly had Trump impeached.

Nothing hysterical. I remain confident that he will be nailed one way or another despite cutting down on his strident tone of late.

[drillerpie]

Meant in the context that Trump will publicly ridicule Mueller for failing to prove anything. According to Sid's original hysterical reasoning's on the matter, all we had to do was wait for Mueller's report which could then have possibly had Trump impeached.

Well they're queuing up to plea bargain but we'll have to wait and see. They might get as high up as Trump, they might not.

I agree that the sensible thing to do would be wait and see what the investigation brings, Trump seems to be worried though having asked members of the judiciary for 'personal loyalty' and having to be talked out of sacking Mueller.

I'm uneasy with the idea of a president trying to besmirch the good name of law enforcement agencies for personal gain, and it's especially ironic in his case seeing as the FBI's impartiality helped him get elected (by announcing they were looking into Hilary's emails close to the election) but I'm sure it'll work, Berlusconi did it for years in Italy and it worked wonders for him.

[seriouspie]

Nothing hysterical. I remain confident that he will be nailed one way or another despite cutting down on his strident tone of late.

Not hysterical in the correct meaning Sidney - just a figure of speech.

He might be nailed eventually but not on the Mueller inquiry (the Russian connection) which I suspect you were fervently wishing for.

At the end of the day Trump was a big hitter in the land of big hitters long before he ran for the Presidency. I think the guy had achieved all he could in his field and decided to go for the big one purely to prove to himself he could do it against all the odds. These sort of blokes always want the best and he's pulled off the biggest of the lot - hence my admiration for his achievement.

He's a vain bugger, brash and arrogant, not nice admittedly ..... BUT a winning businessman and prepared to forego the niceties of PC correctness and the accepted way of diplomacy to get the US back on track. I'm just an amateur observer but thinking about things ... the Rocketman has been very quiet of late, sanctions really biting eh? The North and South are very slowly beginning to talk again ... something that hasn't happened for 30 odd years, the American rust belt has been re*****ised and the lower business taxes HAVE resulted in more pay for the workers. Unemployment is apparently dropping and the Wall Street money men are having a ball.

I agree with you, his tone has softened but he's getting what he set out to do. In fact it seems to me he's done more good in 12 months than Obama the orator achieved in 8 years. Anyway just my thoughts as you know I rate salesmen and deal makers very highly irrespective of their political leanings.

Aye ..... and that scruffy object of humanity who confronted Jacob was a wonderful example of British educated youth wasn't he?
Even if a Labour politician had been his target I'd have still had him put away for affray. No doubt drugged up - another one of the downtrodden agitators who fester our streets and yet have been given a decent upbringing ........ Tossers the lot of 'em.

[JoePass]

Not hysterical in the correct meaning Sidney - just a figure of speech.

He might be nailed eventually but not on the Mueller inquiry (the Russian connection) which I suspect you were fervently wishing for.

At the end of the day Trump was a big hitter in the land of big hitters long before he ran for the Presidency. I think the guy had achieved all he could in his field and decided to go for the big one purely to prove to himself he could do it against all the odds. These sort of blokes always want the best and he's pulled off the biggest of the lot - hence my admiration for his achievement.

He's a vain bugger, brash and arrogant, not nice admittedly ..... BUT a winning businessman and prepared to forego the niceties of PC correctness and the accepted way of diplomacy to get the US back on track. I'm just an amateur observer but thinking about things ... the Rocketman has been very quiet of late, sanctions really biting eh? The North and South are very slowly beginning to talk again ... something that hasn't happened for 30 odd years, the American rust belt has been re*****ised and the lower business taxes HAVE resulted in more pay for the workers. Unemployment is apparently dropping and the Wall Street money men are having a ball.

I agree with you, his tone has softened but he's getting what he set out to do. In fact it seems to me he's done more good in 12 months than Obama the orator achieved in 8 years. Anyway just my thoughts as you know I rate salesmen and deal makers very highly irrespective of their political leanings.

Aye ..... and that scruffy object of humanity who confronted Jacob was a wonderful example of British educated youth wasn't he?
Even if a Labour politician had been his target I'd have still had him put away for affray. No doubt drugged up - another one of the downtrodden agitators who fester our streets and yet have been given a decent upbringing ........ Tossers the lot of 'em.


You forgot to mention, these left wing thugs have toilet paper degrees, that makes it all right.

[drillerpie]

The North and South are very slowly beginning to talk again ... something that hasn't happened for 30 odd years

Debating is easy when you can make things up, isn't it?

[tarquinbeech]

If you are prepared to wait a bit longer, you could roll-over the winnings to a bet that he will win a second term.

Strangely enough, I am starting to think the same....Donny is crushing anyone that remotely opposes him....he must have been taking lessons from Putin?

[tarquinbeech]

Not hysterical in the correct meaning Sidney - just a figure of speech.

He might be nailed eventually but not on the Mueller inquiry (the Russian connection) which I suspect you were fervently wishing for.

At the end of the day Trump was a big hitter in the land of big hitters long before he ran for the Presidency. I think the guy had achieved all he could in his field and decided to go for the big one purely to prove to himself he could do it against all the odds. These sort of blokes always want the best and he's pulled off the biggest of the lot - hence my admiration for his achievement.

He's a vain bugger, brash and arrogant, not nice admittedly ..... BUT a winning businessman and prepared to forego the niceties of PC correctness and the accepted way of diplomacy to get the US back on track. I'm just an amateur observer but thinking about things ... the Rocketman has been very quiet of late, sanctions really biting eh? The North and South are very slowly beginning to talk again ... something that hasn't happened for 30 odd years, the American rust belt has been re*****ised and the lower business taxes HAVE resulted in more pay for the workers. Unemployment is apparently dropping and the Wall Street money men are having a ball.

I agree with you, his tone has softened but he's getting what he set out to do. In fact it seems to me he's done more good in 12 months than Obama the orator achieved in 8 years. Anyway just my thoughts as you know I rate salesmen and deal makers very highly irrespective of their political leanings.

Aye ..... and that scruffy object of humanity who confronted Jacob was a wonderful example of British educated youth wasn't he?
Even if a Labour politician had been his target I'd have still had him put away for affray. No doubt drugged up - another one of the downtrodden agitators who fester our streets and yet have been given a decent upbringing ........ Tossers the lot of 'em.

......and he is also doing a deal with Big Business, to get them to declare their profits in the USA ie he collects taxes, albeit at a lower level than normal....smart move

[i961pie]

I think he means the 1/3rd minority of the electorate who voted to leave.

[Oh no, now I've done it haven't I!]

Are ou sure you don't mean the more than 50% majority of the electorate that voted leave because they could be bothered to get off their arses to vote?:s

[since41]

Is it true that they refer to us westerners as "round eyes"?

Perhaps but not heard that one Cantonese speakers usually say Gweilo "ghost man" because of our white skin; but Mandarin speakers if talking about Europeans in English most often say white man .

[BigFatPie]

Not hysterical in the correct meaning Sidney - just a al leanings.

Aye ..... and that scruffy object of humanity who confronted Jacob was a wonderful example of British educated youth wasn't he?
Even if a Labour politician had been .. Tossers the lot of 'em.

“Jacob” hahahaha.

[seriouspie]

......and he is also doing a deal with Big Business, to get them to declare their profits in the USA ie he collects taxes, albeit at a lower level than normal....smart move

Of course it is ........ but most left wingers don't seem to understand why.

[seriouspie]

“Jacob” hahahaha.

Do you work shifts Fatboy ........ most people are working at the time of day you post.

[sidders]

Of course it is ........ but most left wingers don't seem to understand why.

When did you do the survey that ascertained this and how did you identify all the left wingers? Did you read (I think it was first in the Times) that Trump would have made far more money if, at the outset, he had invested his money in bank accounts paying modest interest rates than he ever has done through deals and investment?
It is a total fabrication that this plonker knows how to make big money or how to treat people. And now he's telling us that universal health care in the UK doesn't work and we should follow the American model.
He has absolutely no chance of winning a second term and that's in the remote possibility that he's still around in 2020.

[BigFatPie]

Do you work shifts Fatboy ........ most people are working at the time of day you post.

No, I have this new fangled device called a phone which allows me to post instantaneously at anytime from anywhere.

The latest thing which you’re wrong about is that the violence at the Rees-Mogg, (or “Jacob” to you) event was instigated by a member of his security team. This chap also likes to dress up as a Nazi in his spare time. But I guess you don’t see anything wrong with that.

[TheBlackHorse]

... I take it that this distraction away from the original topic point - another Remoaner Project Fear lie - is acknowledgement that resistance is now futile. Let the Don clear his own swamp; we have enough to do dealing with our own Establishment/Civil Service.

[dam617]

When did you do the survey that ascertained this and how did you identify all the left wingers? Did you read (I think it was first in the Times) that Trump would have made far more money if, at the outset, he had invested his money in bank accounts paying modest interest rates than he ever has done through deals and investment?
It is a total fabrication that this plonker knows how to make big money or how to treat people. And now he's telling us that universal health care in the UK doesn't work and we should follow the American model.
He has absolutely no chance of winning a second term and that's in the remote possibility that he's still around in 2020.

Not much comment on here about the FISA memo is there?
There'd be 15 pages of fire and furious anger from the Nodding Dogs if Clintstone had been the target.
As it is, not a single post.

[BigFatPie]

... I take it that this distraction away from the original topic point - another Remoaner Project Fear lie - is acknowledgement that resistance is now futile. Let the Don clear his own swamp; we have enough to do dealing with our own Establishment/Civil Service.

Since the referendum, Brexiteers have called high court judges “enemies of the people”, called MPs who don’t agree with them “saboteurs” who must be “crushed”, have said the House of Lords is “corrupt”, and claimed that the Civil Service is full of “traitors”.

I’m genuinely interested in who you actually want to “take back control” and why people like you who claim to be patriotic actually seem to hate all the established institutions of this country?

[TheBlackHorse]

... GBP.. first of all we have to gain control of our own institutions; there is no chance of this with the corrupt EU running the show. All governments have varying levels of corruption and this includes the continuation of 'little empires' by those who find their niche and comfort zone. Let me say that there are very many good people in the CS most who are not 'corrupt'. But for some in order to perpetuate this status quo many in the civil service prefer the kindly hands of a socialist leaning government; the tories tend to be more likely to make cuts and destroy the comfort zones.
We're making a start and it will take ten years.

[seriouspie]

No, I have this new fangled device called a phone which allows me to post instantaneously at anytime from anywhere.

The latest thing which you’re wrong about is that the violence at the Rees-Mogg, (or “Jacob” to you) event was instigated by a member of his security team. This chap also likes to dress up as a Nazi in his spare time. But I guess you don’t see anything wrong with that.

Now I do know you talk like one .....

[BigFatPie]

... GBP.. first of all we have to gain control of our own institutions; there is no chance of this with the corrupt EU running the show. All governments have varying levels of corruption and this includes the continuation of 'little empires' by those who find their niche and comfort zone. Let me say that there are very many good people in the CS most who are not 'corrupt'. But for some in order to perpetuate this status quo many in the civil service prefer the kindly hands of a socialist leaning government; the tories tend to be more likely to make cuts and destroy the comfort zones.
We're making a start and it will take ten years.

Word salad.

The High Court insisted that MPs be given a say on triggering Article 50, in line with current legislation.

Some of those MPs have continued to point out the folly of Brexit, in line with the overwhelming evidence. The House of Lords have largely insisted that Brexit legislation is debated and questioned and where necessary amended, in line with their constitutional role, and the Civil Service have responded to the Government’s own request for impact studies of Brexit with objective models saying that even in a best case scenario, Brexit will be an economic disaster.

You don’t like these institutions because they’re not telling you what you want to hear.

[TheBlackHorse]

... read the first entry Mr BFP. There is no overwhelming evidence; just the moaning of fat cats likely to lose out when this country gets itself into shape for post Brexit. Institutions hang on like fury to protect their little empire. The HOL is one such; just wait until that house is due for paring down.
Some Remoaners can't get it into their thick heads that Brexit is a negotiation not a discussion. The HOL should sit down and shut up.

[Elite_Pie]

We're making a start and it will take ten years.

I agree. I predict it will take ten years of suffering and lower standards of living to remain worse off than we were pre-Brexit, then hopefully the dinosaurs will have died off in sufficient numbers for the younger generation to re-apply for membership.

[TheBlackHorse]

... and in 10 yrs the EU won't exist.

[lunaspie]

No, they would generally use dà bízi, meaning "big nose." Big nose is often used by the Chinese as a name for westerners. Try googling it and you will see.

Don't call my husband 'big nose.'

I suppose you think the cheesemakers are blessed too ?

[sidders]

... I take it that this distraction away from the original topic point - another Remoaner Project Fear lie - is acknowledgement that resistance is now futile. Let the Don clear his own swamp; we have enough to do dealing with our own Establishment/Civil Service.

But 'the establishment' comprises largely the upper echelons of the Tory party with splinter groups like the Bullingdon set. The nation is now being held hostage by a civil war within the Tory ranks and a terrible mess will ensue. Never mind that Labour is in a mess too; they have no power in the current mess that passes for government.
I am sure that people will remember the mess the Tories are inflicting on this country for many years to come. Hammond is the only one in that cabinet who realises the economic disaster that is about to befall the nation.

[TheBlackHorse]

... you mean like George Osborne was before him ...

[sidders]

... you mean like George Osborne was before him ...

Osborne was a careerist who blew with the prevailing wind. It takes guts to stand up for what you believe in, as Hammond has.

[TheBlackHorse]

... guts is when you stand alone against the odds. Hammond has plenty of allies. He's the very model of an establishment figure albeit misguided in his beliefs - which may be genuine or those of political expediency.

[i961pie]

like I said on an earlier thread Sid, the same posters dig in and go over the same arguments/ground, tory v labour nothing changes:s

[Elite_Pie]

like I said on an earlier thread Sid, the same posters dig in and go over the same arguments/ground, tory v labour nothing changes:s

This thread isn't about Tory or Labour, it's about leaving the EU. Labour don't seem to have any sort of policy (but they don't really need one), while the Tories are hopelessly divided on the issue. The whole Brexit vote was fought on outright lies, scare stories and misinformation on both sides. Nobody had any idea on how we would leave, and they still don't. Whichever side of the political spectrum you inhabit, it's hard to deny that Brexit has descended into a complete farce.

[queenslandpie]

This thread isn't about Tory or Labour, it's about leaving the EU. Labour don't seem to have any sort of policy (but they don't really need one), while the Tories are hopelessly divided on the issue. The whole Brexit vote was fought on outright lies, scare stories and misinformation on both sides. Nobody had any idea on how we would leave, and they still don't. Whichever side of the political spectrum you inhabit, it's hard to deny that Brexit has descended into a complete farce.

If we had the Brexit vote again now what do you think the result would be? I am genuinely interested. I don't admit to knowing much about Brexit but I am just curious as to how the hindsight position works. I do find all the cantankering and carrying on by a nation full of supposedly intelligent people quite funny. Nobody in the UK seems to know their arse from the elbow anymore. I sit here in little old Australia snickering quite often at how all these career politicians and idiot voters have managed to flush the country down the toilet. This place is a dot on the landscape but you'd never see anything as damned strange as brexit occuring. I still hark back to this speech as one of the best ever though -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tetk_ayO1x4 You can think what you like about her but she was band on.

[Elite_Pie]

If we had the Brexit vote again now what do you think the result would be?

I honestly don't know, because "Brexit" has proved to be such an incredibly vague concept. My guess is that we are heading for some half-arsed compromise deal which would have gained very few votes had it been known on polling day.

[SwalePie]

This thread isn't about Tory or Labour, it's about leaving the EU. Labour don't seem to have any sort of policy (but they don't really need one), while the Tories are hopelessly divided on the issue. The whole Brexit vote was fought on outright lies, scare stories and misinformation on both sides. Nobody had any idea on how we would leave, and they still don't. Whichever side of the political spectrum you inhabit, it's hard to deny that Brexit has descended into a complete farce.

Totally agree. Party politics should have been actively banned from the campaigning on such a huge national decision. Utter farce.

When people the day after the result were saying on TV 'I wouldn't have voted to leave if I thought we'd win' we just knew the whole thing was a disaster of epic proportions for real and meaningful democracy.

[seriouspie]

I agree. I predict it will take ten years of suffering and lower standards of living to remain worse off than we were pre-Brexit, then hopefully the dinosaurs will have died off in sufficient numbers for the younger generation to re-apply for membership.


The rantings of the Rabble and the ignorant.

[drillerpie]

The rantings of the Rabble and the ignorant.


When you said that North Korea and South Korea hadn't spoken for 30 years until Trump came along (utter nonsense) was that you being ignorant or you deliberately lying?

[sidders]

like I said on an earlier thread Sid, the same posters dig in and go over the same arguments/ground, tory v labour nothing changes:s

So I (a socialist) praise Hammond's (a Tory) courage and that's just the same old, same old. You don't seem to get, i961, that the EU referendum cut across party lines. Plenty of leavers on the left and lots of remainers on the right, so why on earth would people keep to party ideologies?
I actually believe that I would sacrifice the next election to the Tories if we stayed in the EU. That's how important I think it is.

[TheBlackHorse]

... am curious to know, el sid et al, what is so attractive about being ruled by a corrupt national socialist dictatorship?

[Elite_Pie]

... am curious to know, el sid et al, what is so attractive about being ruled by a corrupt national socialist dictatorship?

Just like being ruled by a deeply divided, rudderless and incompetent Tory government, there is nothing particularly attractive.

[TheBlackHorse]

... if I recall correctly Elite - let me know if wrong - you are one of those financially fireproof who couldn't give a stuff because you are ok whatever. How easily you give in. Glad you never had to face Messrs Stalin or Hitler.

[Elite_Pie]

... if I recall correctly Elite - let me know if wrong - you are one of those financially fireproof who couldn't give a stuff because you are ok whatever. How easily you give in. Glad you never had to face Messrs Stalin or Hitler.

You are half right. Whatever the Brexit outcome it won't affect my lifestyle greatly. I do give a stuff however, because I would like to see the correct decisions made for future generations.

[TheBlackHorse]

... so a corrupt national socialist dictatorship is ok for you then.

[Elite_Pie]

... so a corrupt national socialist dictatorship is ok for you then.

How did you work that out?

Less than half an hour ago in post #54 I said it wasn't particularly attractive!

[drillerpie]

national socialist dictatorship

National socialist. National socialist. National socialist. NATIONAL SOCIALIST. NATIONAL SOCIALIST.

Sorry I was just trying to see if by repeating that the EU was similar in any way to Nazi Germany it would make it true. It didn't work.

Feel free to keep trying though.

[TheBlackHorse]

... try looking up some history driller ... the parallels are remarkable. It's just that this lot bully without guns.

[sidders]

... am curious to know, el sid et al, what is so attractive about being ruled by a corrupt national socialist dictatorship?

Are you 12 or 112? Either would account for your hysteria. Corrupt? And you think British party politics is free of corruption? In what way is the EU more nationalist than Bozo and his allies? Socialist? Yes, please. Dictatorship? Who is supposed to be dictating what to me? I am as free as any man of modest financial means on this earth.

[sidders]

... try looking up some history driller ... the parallels are remarkable. It's just that this lot bully without guns.

What a patronising poster you are.

I picture you as a lone stallion in a field. The other horses pity you.

[drillerpie]

... try looking up some history driller ... the parallels are remarkable. It's just that this lot bully without guns.

I love reading about history, it's something I do often. Now please go ahead and explain why the EU is comparable to Hitler and the Nazis with your remarkable parallels.

[Elite_Pie]

What a patronising poster you are.

I picture you as a lone stallion in a field. The other horses pity you.

My money is on him being a gelding, looking across enviously at the stallions.

[TheBlackHorse]

... none so blind as those who don't want to see. Nothing patronising about history.

[drillerpie]

... none so blind as those who don't want to see. Nothing patronising about history.

I completely agree that we can learn a lot from history, and far from not wanting to see I'm asking you to explain it to me.

Away you go...

[TheBlackHorse]

... driller ... I think you're brighter than that; so no, away you go. Start with post WW1 Germany through to 1945. Post WW2 Germany has achieved much of what the Third Reich wanted, without the guns. It only takes a few (countries) prepared to turn a blind eye/give in to control demands under the threat of economic reprisals ... it's easier than fighting.

[drillerpie]

... driller ... I think you're brighter than that; so no, away you go. Start with post WW1 Germany through to 1945. Post WW2 Germany has achieved much of what the Third Reich wanted, without the guns. It only takes a few (countries) prepared to turn a blind eye/give in to control demands under the threat of economic reprisals ... it's easier than fighting.

Away I go? So you compare the EU to the Nazis with no supporting argument and the onus is on me to prove otherwise?

It doesn't work like that.

[TheBlackHorse]

... oh yes it does; and by the way, you don't make the rules. History provides you with all the evidence. The parallels are so obvious as to not even be remarkable. Just take out the uniforms and guns. All the structures and controls are there. Now go read ...

[drillerpie]

The parallels are so obvious as to not even be remarkable


... try looking up some history driller ... the parallels are remarkable.

Silly person.

Ok then Jacob Rees-Mogg (Jacob to our resident billionaire playboy) is a Maoist revolutionary, anybody who disagrees just just go and READ SOME HISTORY.

[BigFatPie]

... oh yes it does; and by the way, you don't make the rules. History provides you with all the evidence. The parallels are so obvious as to not even be remarkable. Just take out the uniforms and guns. All the structures and controls are there. Now go read ...

This is true. The Nazis had multiple death camps across Europe. The EU has the Working Time Directive.

I get them mixed up all the time.

[JoePass]

Silly person.

Ok then Jacob Rees-Mogg (Jacob to our resident billionaire playboy) is a Maoist revolutionary, anybody who disagrees just just go and READ SOME HISTORY.



I like Jacob, leave him alone mate.