Off topic - Brexit

[blades58]

All kicking off toneet

Whether you're a remainer or leaver, crucial Labour amendment vote in the Commons by Labour to keep the UK in the European Economic area and 5 Labour front bench Ministers have resigned just before the vote

[bulmer1889]

Why can't people accept the result of the referendum I thought that was democracy in its purist sense

[GrayBlade]

It was as staged as the SNP walkout.

[blades58]

Why can't people accept the result of the referendum I thought that was democracy in its purist sense

Agree entirely B

And then I read in tonights rag how Blair is saying Brexit can still be reversed.......WTF

Why doesn't he just fk off?

[BlockD]

Momentum are going to be having the knives out for all those who defied Saint Jeremy

[blades58]

Momentum are going to be having the knives out for all those who defied Saint Jeremy

Good old Momentum

While they continue to Hijack the Labour party/New Labour party/Socialist party/Marxist party/Communist party, they have no chance of governing this country

Frankly, both main parties are a waste of space. I look at one party and think, what's the alternative and then look at the other party and think, what's the alternative? Depressing really

I cling on to the hope that lily livered May will stop bottling Brexit but shes backed herself into a corner and now incapable of turning it around

[FatherKnowsBest]

I think I ought to add my word of 'thanks very much' to David Cameron. Whatever the rights and wrongs of in and out of the EU, we, the great unwashed of the nation, should never have been asked the question and permitted to get the answer wrong. To remind us all, this arrseburger of a process was kicked off simply to appease his right wing getting fussy about UKIP (and its amazing boggle eyed leader) and the danger of losing a few seats through Daily Mail readers not thinking his party was racist enough to vote for.

Personally, I have great concerns about a 'federal Europe' and think there are lots of advantages of not being in the EU, but if I had realised ALL the implications of exiting, then I might just not have bothered. Instead they gave us the referendum, both sides lied their heads off, because neither side actually had a clue about how this might actually work, and now its all home to roost. The problem now is muddle, with as many tunes as their are fiddlers. Instead of rolling up their sleeves and getting on with the best deal, they are trying to make 600 deals to get it through the Commons and the Lords, many of whom are working for personal interest and in bad faith.

Our nation is facing lots of challenges in the modern world. Housing, Manufacturing, Rail and transport, the NHS, all need massive overhauls, and we've got our leaders arguing the toss over what colour the Customs hut is going to be. Donald Trump wouldn't be feckin about with this. Dreadful racist, crazy b'stard though he is, sometimes you need a bigger crisis to get change, and that often needs a crazy b'stard to make it work.

That's one of the problems with the whole feminisation of education and government. It fails to allow the crazy b'stards to rise to the top, and instead promotes mediocrity, where your ability to rise is based not on whether you can do the job, but whether you rule yourself out by not conforming to their menu of acceptability. Can you imagine where we'd be if this government was the one in place in 1939? Churchill wouldn't get anywhere near power (for his unacceptable support of Empire, and various acts of mysogyny...), and we'd all be speaking German. (we might win a penalty shoot out or two though...)

Anyway, cheers Dave! Hope you and you charming missus are having a nice time sunning yourselves somewhere.

(I can go on for hours about this...)

[blades58]

I think I ought to add my word of 'thanks very much' to David Cameron. Whatever the rights and wrongs of in and out of the EU, we, the great unwashed of the nation, should never have been asked the question and permitted to get the answer wrong. To remind us all, this arrseburger of a process was kicked off simply to appease his right wing getting fussy about UKIP (and its amazing boggle eyed leader) and the danger of losing a few seats through Daily Mail readers not thinking his party was racist enough to vote for.

Personally, I have great concerns about a 'federal Europe' and think there are lots of advantages of not being in the EU, but if I had realised ALL the implications of exiting, then I might just not have bothered. Instead they gave us the referendum, both sides lied their heads off, because neither side actually had a clue about how this might actually work, and now its all home to roost. The problem now is muddle, with as many tunes as their are fiddlers. Instead of rolling up their sleeves and getting on with the best deal, they are trying to make 600 deals to get it through the Commons and the Lords, many of whom are working for personal interest and in bad faith.

Our nation is facing lots of challenges in the modern world. Housing, Manufacturing, Rail and transport, the NHS, all need massive overhauls, and we've got our leaders arguing the toss over what colour the Customs hut is going to be. Donald Trump wouldn't be feckin about with this. Dreadful racist, crazy b'stard though he is, sometimes you need a bigger crisis to get change, and that often needs a crazy b'stard to make it work.

That's one of the problems with the whole feminisation of education and government. It fails to allow the crazy b'stards to rise to the top, and instead promotes mediocrity, where your ability to rise is based not on whether you can do the job, but whether you rule yourself out by not conforming to their menu of acceptability. Can you imagine where we'd be if this government was the one in place in 1939? Churchill wouldn't get anywhere near power (for his unacceptable support of Empire, and various acts of mysogyny...), and we'd all be speaking German. (we might win a penalty shoot out or two though...)

Anyway, cheers Dave! Hope you and you charming missus are having a nice time sunning yourselves somewhere.

(I can go on for hours about this...)

Good post that FKB

Personally, I can't wait to leave the rotten cesspit that is the EU. It's just not what it's meant to be.

We are heading for a federal Superstate, governed by a bunch of no marks in suits sat in their ivory tower. Detached and certainly not in touch with the common man in Europe. Yet remainers can see no wrong. The Visegrad 4 rebelling. Greece on it's @rse. Italy now in all sorts of bother. Then you've got other member nations such as Austria and Nederlands waiting in the wings to chuck the knife in and yet the elite see no wrong and push further forward with tighter integration. More of the same. Give us your money. It's a project you know!

I have always said from the day after the referendum that I have no doubt, when we leave, we'll have 5 perhaps 10 years of hardship, but long term, it will be the best decision this country has made. However, I meant this on the basis there is no fudge. Half out, half in is the worst of all deals

You know what? I actually believe that the youth of today who blame the older generation for Brexit will actually turn around and thank us for our wisdom in 10 years time.

I know, call me stupid! :O

[diode_blade]

To be honest I think it's all been a sham, we will get to the 23rd hour and 59th minute and 59 seconds and it will be..
"Oh sorry we can't do this as we are just a bunch of knobheads trying to line our own pockets so we are staying in..."
perhaps I might be being a bit too cynical...

[FatherKnowsBest]

A lot is made of the younger voters being solidly 'Remain' and how the older ones are screwing up their future of working abroad and easy currency changes for their holidays. Nonsense!!! The thing about youth is they know feck all about owt. They are inexperienced and idealistic. What you need are decisions being made by crusty owd b'stards who've been through the mill a few times and have the scars to prove it. I've maintained for a minimum age of 55 for MP's*. Now I'm over 55 myself, I think I'm actually right.

Politics should be about a long term vision, a legacy, not making a career in your thirties then 'retiring' to some fat non-Exec jobs. I want MP's who've lived, raised their families to adulthood, made mistakes, have flaws, had to stand in the firing line and lived to tell the tale, and now want to make this country a better and more successful place. I don't want w-anchors who's experience of life is priviledged home to priviledged school to priviledged university to the House of Commons and never done a days work in all that time. There's no wonder we're up the creek, and no-one can even see the big picture, so long as theres a BMW on the drive of their nice 4 bed house, and a foreign holiday, and a nice priviledged school for George and Poppy to go to, feck averyone struggling to afford somewher to live and working their knackers off on minimum wages to do it, everythings fine

*The most radical government of the 20th century was Clement Atlees Labour Government of 1945. The average age of Cabinet Ministers on appointment was 55.

[redalwaysablade]

History will see this whole thing as the biggest Political Flop in this countries History, The blind led by the even blinder, whilst we go bumbling forwards lining other people's pockets, who actually don't give a shiny one for anyone or anything but there own personal self interest......


........and breath.

[tomytony]

Maybe if the whole country, and especially the BBC, stopped trying to derail the process we would be getting on with it and be on the way to a bit of short term pain followed by long term gain.

Everybody, including finished no marks like Blair, wants to have a say. Fair enough having your say but live with it, the decision's made, but why derail the democratic will, why weaken our hand continually at the negotiating table?.

I was a remainer but the referundum fell the other way so ,now, I'm behind what is best for ENGLAND ( feck the Scots) and , as the worst card player in the world, even I know that you don't show your hand to the other players before you play it.

That's what every politician, pundit and media darling seems to want, so they can put their spin on it, but that's only giving power to Juncker etc and we know we are not going to be given an easy ride ( if we get one the rest of the EU will follow- except the countries the strong are propping up) so keep queit and let the government deliver what the majority voted for.

[rodcurrie]

History will see this whole thing as the biggest Political Flop in this countries History, The blind led by the even blinder, whilst we go bumbling forwards lining other people's pockets, who actually don't give a shiny one for anyone or anything but there own personal self interest......


........and breath.Well said Redders,i'm sick of hearin ababrt Brexit.Our Gertie and me voted to stay in but not wi any conviction.The Tories and Mrs May are a shambles but Labour's just as bad/worse,a strong Labour wud be makin hay whilst this load of ballhacks is goin on but no they keep droppin bigger ballhacks.I've alluss said my politics are(like me simple) i can't stand the Tories and that's the main reason i've alluss voted Labour.Hey up TT,nice to see thi back owd lad,hope you're in good health. UTCB

[tomytony]

Cheers Rod, decided to take a month off !

The health issue is now downgraded to a stent not a by pass and, by the end of the month, should be sorted.

[GrayBlade]

Cheers Rod, decided to take a month off !

The health issue is now downgraded to a stent not a by pass and, by the end of the month, should be sorted.

I hope that you’re fixed and fighting fit soon TT.

[tomytony]

I hope that you’re fixed and fighting fit soon TT.

Cheers GB, so do I, been going on since last October.

Sorry to read your news but trust you are well.

[blades58]

Cheers Rod, decided to take a month off !

The health issue is now downgraded to a stent not a by pass and, by the end of the month, should be sorted.


Good news and hope all is sorted soon buddy

[FatherKnowsBest]

Glad you're okay TT. Missed your bickering with Rod...

[Holden_C]

Cheers Rod, decided to take a month off !

The health issue is now downgraded to a stent not a by pass and, by the end of the month, should be sorted.


Good to hear. Best wishes.

[Blade for Life]

Uncertainty is what is killing the pound and hurting business, this constant and frankly boring attempts to derail Brexit is hurting all of us. The politicians are more interested in point scoring than helping to move this forward. The EU is so unequally balanced in how it is funded it just does not work. We basically are paying to prop up Poland and paying French farmers to leave fields barren. Italy will be next and the whole deck of cards will slowly collapse. We have to ride out the storm and then we will all build a stronger future for our kids without outside interference.

[GrayBlade]

Cheers GB, so do I, been going on since last October.

Sorry to read your news but trust you are well.

Getting there thanks mate. Off for a bit of North Yorkshire therapy soon.

[tomytony]

Getting there thanks mate. Off for a bit of North Yorkshire therapy soon.

Enjoy, just bought a new mororhome so planning a long European trip when sorted

[Chips1889]

I think I ought to add my word of 'thanks very much' to David Cameron. Whatever the rights and wrongs of in and out of the EU, we, the great unwashed of the nation, should never have been asked the question and permitted to get the answer wrong. To remind us all, this arrseburger of a process was kicked off simply to appease his right wing getting fussy about UKIP (and its amazing boggle eyed leader) and the danger of losing a few seats through Daily Mail readers not thinking his party was racist enough to vote for.

Personally, I have great concerns about a 'federal Europe' and think there are lots of advantages of not being in the EU, but if I had realised ALL the implications of exiting, then I might just not have bothered. Instead they gave us the referendum, both sides lied their heads off, because neither side actually had a clue about how this might actually work, and now its all home to roost. The problem now is muddle, with as many tunes as their are fiddlers. Instead of rolling up their sleeves and getting on with the best deal, they are trying to make 600 deals to get it through the Commons and the Lords, many of whom are working for personal interest and in bad faith.

Our nation is facing lots of challenges in the modern world. Housing, Manufacturing, Rail and transport, the NHS, all need massive overhauls, and we've got our leaders arguing the toss over what colour the Customs hut is going to be. Donald Trump wouldn't be feckin about with this. Dreadful racist, crazy b'stard though he is, sometimes you need a bigger crisis to get change, and that often needs a crazy b'stard to make it work.

That's one of the problems with the whole feminisation of education and government. It fails to allow the crazy b'stards to rise to the top, and instead promotes mediocrity, where your ability to rise is based not on whether you can do the job, but whether you rule yourself out by not conforming to their menu of acceptability. Can you imagine where we'd be if this government was the one in place in 1939? Churchill wouldn't get anywhere near power (for his unacceptable support of Empire, and various acts of mysogyny...), and we'd all be speaking German. (we might win a penalty shoot out or two though...)

Anyway, cheers Dave! Hope you and you charming missus are having a nice time sunning yourselves somewhere.

(I can go on for hours about this...)

Thank you David Cameron

[rogerwa]

You lot will or not have noticed I do not contribute at all to your brilliant board.
I have been a lifelong blade and now live in Bristol.
So this board and live transmitting of matches is precious to me.
Between seasons are interesting “quiet” periods for the board and bring out off the wall topics.
This thread is the best explanation of Brexit I have read, seen and heard.
Thank you FKB for your concise ramblings and the responses from both sides of the argument.
This board allows normal people to be realistic about what is happening.
Maybe you should take over the BBC!!!!

Sorry for calling you normal and being gushingly nice. I’ll get better.

[FatherKnowsBest]

You lot will or not have noticed I do not contribute at all to your brilliant board.
I have been a lifelong blade and now live in Bristol.
So this board and live transmitting of matches is precious to me.
Between seasons are interesting “quiet” periods for the board and bring out off the wall topics.
This thread is the best explanation of Brexit I have read, seen and heard.
Thank you FKB for your concise ramblings and the responses from both sides of the argument.
This board allows normal people to be realistic about what is happening.
Maybe you should take over the BBC!!!!

Sorry for calling you normal and being gushingly nice. I’ll get better.

Cheers Roger. I'm quite versatile. I can do both concise and incoherent ramblings. Stick around!

Welcome onboard!

[Ayamonteblade]

I think I ought to add my word of 'thanks very much' to David Cameron. Whatever the rights and wrongs of in and out of the EU, we, the great unwashed of the nation, should never have been asked the question and permitted to get the answer wrong. To remind us all, this arrseburger of a process was kicked off simply to appease his right wing getting fussy about UKIP (and its amazing boggle eyed leader) and the danger of losing a few seats through Daily Mail readers not thinking his party was racist enough to vote for.

Personally, I have great concerns about a 'federal Europe' and think there are lots of advantages of not being in the EU, but if I had realised ALL the implications of exiting, then I might just not have bothered. Instead they gave us the referendum, both sides lied their heads off, because neither side actually had a clue about how this might actually work, and now its all home to roost. The problem now is muddle, with as many tunes as their are fiddlers. Instead of rolling up their sleeves and getting on with the best deal, they are trying to make 600 deals to get it through the Commons and the Lords, many of whom are working for personal interest and in bad faith.

Our nation is facing lots of challenges in the modern world. Housing, Manufacturing, Rail and transport, the NHS, all need massive overhauls, and we've got our leaders arguing the toss over what colour the Customs hut is going to be. Donald Trump wouldn't be feckin about with this. Dreadful racist, crazy b'stard though he is, sometimes you need a bigger crisis to get change, and that often needs a crazy b'stard to make it work.

That's one of the problems with the whole feminisation of education and government. It fails to allow the crazy b'stards to rise to the top, and instead promotes mediocrity, where your ability to rise is based not on whether you can do the job, but whether you rule yourself out by not conforming to their menu of acceptability. Can you imagine where we'd be if this government was the one in place in 1939? Churchill wouldn't get anywhere near power (for his unacceptable support of Empire, and various acts of mysogyny...), and we'd all be speaking German. (we might win a penalty shoot out or two though...)

Anyway, cheers Dave! Hope you and you charming missus are having a nice time sunning yourselves somewhere.

(I can go on for hours about this...)

feminisation??

[bulmer1889]

Deffo hot flush time (gets tin hat on)

[tomytony]

feminisation??

Quotas,political correctness???????????

Let the cream rise to the top regardless of gender surely the last thing feminism wants is favours to help the cause? IF, big IF, it's all about equality surely feminists want it played on a level playing field.

[FatherKnowsBest]

feminisation??

Yes, Aya, feminisation. I will explain in my usual bluff and long-winded style, but not today. Busy, busy, busy...

[Ayamonteblade]

Quotas,political correctness???????????

Let the cream rise to the top regardless of gender surely the last thing feminism wants is favours to help the cause? IF, big IF, it's all about equality surely feminists want it played on a level playing field.

Of course we do TT - hello by the way - nice to see you back fit and well :)

[Ayamonteblade]

Yes, Aya, feminisation. I will explain in my usual bluff and long-winded style, but not today. Busy, busy, busy...

Oh no -I'm distraught! Was soooo looking forward to your elaboration!?

[tomytony]

Of course we do TT - hello by the way - nice to see you back fit and well :)

Cheers Aya.Took a month off , procedure planned for end of the month so even fitter hopefully

[bulmer1889]

Good luck with it all TT hope everything goes A1

[Holden_C]

Yes, Aya, feminisation. I will explain in my usual bluff and long-winded style, but not today. Busy, busy, busy...

Taking the little lady out I assume? Letting her get the shopping then putting a bit of lippy on so she looks nice when she meets you in the pub? You're a good person, but then we all are. Even those who have to do their own ironing...

[FatherKnowsBest]

Taking the little lady out I assume? Letting her get the shopping then putting a bit of lippy on so she looks nice when she meets you in the pub? You're a good person, but then we all are. Even those who have to do their own ironing...

No mate, working... When you're a hands on, know it all MD, etc etc...

[rodcurrie]

Taking the little lady out I assume? Letting her get the shopping then putting a bit of lippy on so she looks nice when she meets you in the pub? You're a good person, but then we all are. Even those who have to do their own ironing...Orrrrr that's the nicest thing you've ever posted abart me Marvin,are ya gerrin soft in your owd age mi owd chuckle bro?;)TT good luck wi your procedure mi owd pal,and i hope ya enjoy your long haul round Europe,will ya be headin to Russia to see England win World Cup by any chance?:) UTCB

[rodcurrie]

You lot will or not have noticed I do not contribute at all to your brilliant board.
I have been a lifelong blade and now live in Bristol.
So this board and live transmitting of matches is precious to me.
Between seasons are interesting “quiet” periods for the board and bring out off the wall topics.
This thread is the best explanation of Brexit I have read, seen and heard.
Thank you FKB for your concise ramblings and the responses from both sides of the argument.
This board allows normal people to be realistic about what is happening.
Maybe you should take over the BBC!!!!

Sorry for calling you normal and being gushingly nice. I’ll get better.Welcome mi owd,are ya a TRUE BLADE tho?:)Happy postin.UTCB

[FatherKnowsBest]

feminisation??

WITH MY SINCERE APOLOGIES TO EVERYONE. I said I would respond in my usual style, so here it is...

So, lets start with the premise that although the issues of equality are couched in terms of 'Equality of Women', it should really be 'equality for everyone'. Everyone should have the equal opportunity to use their skills and talents to succeed, regardless of gender.

The problem with feminism is that many seek not equality but to disadvantage men in a way (and beyond) that women were for a long time disadvantaged. Feminism has become a political cause where every sign of perceived male advantage, and the way has to be tackled and overcome, often by social media campaigns. Trial by Twitter is just plain wrong. You can't politicise equality into a wedge issue, we all have an equal right to exist.

A lot is being made of the cultural stereotyping of women, yet men and women ARE different. Women have different chromosomes, and have a different way of thinking and behaving. Its not cultural, its biological, yet suggest that in certain places and it can get you fired, or hounded out of public office, simply because of saying what you think. It hasn't been like this since the Catholic Church would burn you alive for suggesting the Earth traveled around the Sun.

Feminisation. Lets start with education. Over the last thirty years, there has been a big effort to address equality in school results. But gradually that effort to make learning more appropriate to girls, has meant a corresponding disadvantage to boys. What is really striking is that the make-up of teaching staff has slewed towards the female so strongly, its genuinely shocking. In 2016,

73.9% of teachers are women
84.6% of primary school teachers
91.4% of teaching assistants are women

Overall, 80.2% of all full time teaching staff, are women. Really...! (Thats from ONS documents..)

Should this make a difference? Well, it clearly does as the widening gap between boys and girls at GCSE shows. Girls outperform boys by 7.5%, which if it were any group other than boys would not be tolerated. It is a fact that boys learn more effectively from male teachers than females. Its a fact. We can point to the lack of role models for boys. In society as a whole the role of males, especially as fathers, providers, protectors, has become marginalised. We can point to more single parent families, but in their formative time, boys do not get enough time with men. Indeed if any man wants to be a primary school teacher, or work with scouts or other community groups, he is viewed with suspicion.

The message that men are in essence evil b'stards who will jump on the nearest female, or child, and do harm to them the first time your back is turned, has really taken hold (#metoo, or look at front page of the BBC website on any day. Always at least one 'feminist' story. You can also argue that the media was responsible for the demonising of the young black in the US, by their constant portrayal in TV series of 'the thief' or 'the thug' as a young black male ).

Media output for girls is all about all about empowerment and strength and achievement. Boys are not given this message. (Even charities...There are TV adverts where you can sponsor a girl in some god-forsaken African country, but you can't sponsor a boy. Race for Life? Men die of cancer too. Can I take part? No. Men are banned because its feared they would be "too competitive". Would that be allowed if the roles were reversed? But I digress...)

Anyway, so, the removal of individual competitiveness, the 'Everyone gets a prize' mentality is not what boys need. Boys thrive on competition. Marry that with the lack of male role models in schools and often at home, and in their communities, and guess what? Underachievement, behavioral problems (slap a tag on it, and give em some pills...), and ultimately boys who are disadvantaged and stigmatised purely because of their gender.

Equal jobs and equal pay. Couldn't agree more, but the truth is that in education, in the NHS and in government, women are being appointed to higher and higher roles, and with the disparity in education, that can only continue. I go into some of these bodies, and women middle-managers, with all women teams are becoming increasingly obvious. They still have a male security guard or janitor... Now its in the name of 'equality' but soon it will be because boys cannot match the educational standards of girls. A growing underclass of economically disadvantaged.

Yet we are still being told about the gender pay gap and how women need more and more equality. But when does equality become inequality. When do the rights for males to be a man, to have an equal education, to get a job that hasn't been given to a similarly qualified and experienced woman just because of her gender, to contribute to education or to community without being viewed with suspicion, to provide for and protect my family without being negatively stereotyped or marginalised, when is that recognised?

[Ayamonteblade]

WITH MY SINCERE APOLOGIES TO EVERYONE. I said I would respond in my usual style, so here it is...

So, lets start with the premise that although the issues of equality are couched in terms of 'Equality of Women', it should really be 'equality for everyone'. Everyone should have the equal opportunity to use their skills and talents to succeed, regardless of gender.

The problem with feminism is that many seek not equality but to disadvantage men in a way (and beyond) that women were for a long time disadvantaged. Feminism has become a political cause where every sign of perceived male advantage, and the way has to be tackled and overcome, often by social media campaigns. Trial by Twitter is just plain wrong. You can't politicise equality into a wedge issue, we all have an equal right to exist.

A lot is being made of the cultural stereotyping of women, yet men and women ARE different. Women have different chromosomes, and have a different way of thinking and behaving. Its not cultural, its biological, yet suggest that in certain places and it can get you fired, or hounded out of public office, simply because of saying what you think. It hasn't been like this since the Catholic Church would burn you alive for suggesting the Earth traveled around the Sun.

Feminisation. Lets start with education. Over the last thirty years, there has been a big effort to address equality in school results. But gradually that effort to make learning more appropriate to girls, has meant a corresponding disadvantage to boys. What is really striking is that the make-up of teaching staff has slewed towards the female so strongly, its genuinely shocking. In 2016,

73.9% of teachers are women
84.6% of primary school teachers
91.4% of teaching assistants are women

Overall, 80.2% of all full time teaching staff, are women. Really...! (Thats from ONS documents..)

Should this make a difference? Well, it clearly does as the widening gap between boys and girls at GCSE shows. Girls outperform boys by 7.5%, which if it were any group other than boys would not be tolerated. It is a fact that boys learn more effectively from male teachers than females. Its a fact. We can point to the lack of role models for boys. In society as a whole the role of males, especially as fathers, providers, protectors, has become marginalised. We can point to more single parent families, but in their formative time, boys do not get enough time with men. Indeed if any man wants to be a primary school teacher, or work with scouts or other community groups, he is viewed with suspicion.

The message that men are in essence evil b'stards who will jump on the nearest female, or child, and do harm to them the first time your back is turned, has really taken hold (#metoo, or look at front page of the BBC website on any day. Always at least one 'feminist' story. You can also argue that the media was responsible for the demonising of the young black in the US, by their constant portrayal in TV series of 'the thief' or 'the thug' as a young black male ).

Media output for girls is all about all about empowerment and strength and achievement. Boys are not given this message. (Even charities...There are TV adverts where you can sponsor a girl in some god-forsaken African country, but you can't sponsor a boy. Race for Life? Men die of cancer too. Can I take part? No. Men are banned because its feared they would be "too competitive". Would that be allowed if the roles were reversed? But I digress...)

Anyway, so, the removal of individual competitiveness, the 'Everyone gets a prize' mentality is not what boys need. Boys thrive on competition. Marry that with the lack of male role models in schools and often at home, and in their communities, and guess what? Underachievement, behavioral problems (slap a tag on it, and give em some pills...), and ultimately boys who are disadvantaged and stigmatised purely because of their gender.

Equal jobs and equal pay. Couldn't agree more, but the truth is that in education, in the NHS and in government, women are being appointed to higher and higher roles, and with the disparity in education, that can only continue. I go into some of these bodies, and women middle-managers, with all women teams are becoming increasingly obvious. They still have a male security guard or janitor... Now its in the name of 'equality' but soon it will be because boys cannot match the educational standards of girls. A growing underclass of economically disadvantaged.

Yet we are still being told about the gender pay gap and how women need more and more equality. But when does equality become inequality. When do the rights for males to be a man, to have an equal education, to get a job that hasn't been given to a similarly qualified and experienced woman just because of her gender, to contribute to education or to community without being viewed with suspicion, to provide for and protect my family without being negatively stereotyped or marginalised, when is that recognised?

OMG looks interesting but too busy to read today....birthday celebrations 😀

[Holden_C]

WITH MY SINCERE APOLOGIES TO EVERYONE. I said I would respond in my usual style, so here it is...

So, lets start with the premise that although the issues of equality are couched in terms of 'Equality of Women', it should really be 'equality for everyone'. Everyone should have the equal opportunity to use their skills and talents to succeed, regardless of gender.

The problem with feminism is that many seek not equality but to disadvantage men in a way (and beyond) that women were for a long time disadvantaged. Feminism has become a political cause where every sign of perceived male advantage, and the way has to be tackled and overcome, often by social media campaigns. Trial by Twitter is just plain wrong. You can't politicise equality into a wedge issue, we all have an equal right to exist.

A lot is being made of the cultural stereotyping of women, yet men and women ARE different. Women have different chromosomes, and have a different way of thinking and behaving. Its not cultural, its biological, yet suggest that in certain places and it can get you fired, or hounded out of public office, simply because of saying what you think. It hasn't been like this since the Catholic Church would burn you alive for suggesting the Earth traveled around the Sun.

Feminisation. Lets start with education. Over the last thirty years, there has been a big effort to address equality in school results. But gradually that effort to make learning more appropriate to girls, has meant a corresponding disadvantage to boys. What is really striking is that the make-up of teaching staff has slewed towards the female so strongly, its genuinely shocking. In 2016,

73.9% of teachers are women
84.6% of primary school teachers
91.4% of teaching assistants are women

Overall, 80.2% of all full time teaching staff, are women. Really...! (Thats from ONS documents..)

Should this make a difference? Well, it clearly does as the widening gap between boys and girls at GCSE shows. Girls outperform boys by 7.5%, which if it were any group other than boys would not be tolerated. It is a fact that boys learn more effectively from male teachers than females. Its a fact. We can point to the lack of role models for boys. In society as a whole the role of males, especially as fathers, providers, protectors, has become marginalised. We can point to more single parent families, but in their formative time, boys do not get enough time with men. Indeed if any man wants to be a primary school teacher, or work with scouts or other community groups, he is viewed with suspicion.

The message that men are in essence evil b'stards who will jump on the nearest female, or child, and do harm to them the first time your back is turned, has really taken hold (#metoo, or look at front page of the BBC website on any day. Always at least one 'feminist' story. You can also argue that the media was responsible for the demonising of the young black in the US, by their constant portrayal in TV series of 'the thief' or 'the thug' as a young black male ).

Media output for girls is all about all about empowerment and strength and achievement. Boys are not given this message. (Even charities...There are TV adverts where you can sponsor a girl in some god-forsaken African country, but you can't sponsor a boy. Race for Life? Men die of cancer too. Can I take part? No. Men are banned because its feared they would be "too competitive". Would that be allowed if the roles were reversed? But I digress...)

Anyway, so, the removal of individual competitiveness, the 'Everyone gets a prize' mentality is not what boys need. Boys thrive on competition. Marry that with the lack of male role models in schools and often at home, and in their communities, and guess what? Underachievement, behavioral problems (slap a tag on it, and give em some pills...), and ultimately boys who are disadvantaged and stigmatised purely because of their gender.

Equal jobs and equal pay. Couldn't agree more, but the truth is that in education, in the NHS and in government, women are being appointed to higher and higher roles, and with the disparity in education, that can only continue. I go into some of these bodies, and women middle-managers, with all women teams are becoming increasingly obvious. They still have a male security guard or janitor... Now its in the name of 'equality' but soon it will be because boys cannot match the educational standards of girls. A growing underclass of economically disadvantaged.

Yet we are still being told about the gender pay gap and how women need more and more equality. But when does equality become inequality. When do the rights for males to be a man, to have an equal education, to get a job that hasn't been given to a similarly qualified and experienced woman just because of her gender, to contribute to education or to community without being viewed with suspicion, to provide for and protect my family without being negatively stereotyped or marginalised, when is that recognised?

Man up you tart.



















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[tomytony]

Good luck with it all TT hope everything goes A1

Thanks Bully, trust all is as good as it can be for yourself.

FKB, some great points- when equality isn't - lucidly put.

As I said earlier, 'you want a level playing field don't you?' It's level but, a bit like the Wycombe and Exeter grounds, with a pronounced slope. :)

[diode_blade]

OMG looks interesting but too busy to read today....birthday celebrations 😀

Happy birthday Aya, have a good un, did you get a new satnav as on of yer pressies....:)
I'll open a tinnie for ya .....
:p
happy birfday to youuuuu....happy birfday to....you....
may the owls stop bouncing
happy birfday to you...

Think I might enter eurovision next year...;)

[tomytony]

Happy birthday Aya, have a good un, did you get a new satnav as on of yer pressies....:)
I'll open a tinnie for ya .....
:p
happy birfday to youuuuu....happy birfday to....you....
may the owls stop bouncing
happy birfday to you...

Think I might enter eurovision next year...;)

We'll not be allowed in by then but,hopefully, if we are, your voice is better than your songwriting 'skills' Diode :)

[Ayamonteblade]

Happy birthday Aya, have a good un, did you get a new satnav as on of yer pressies....:)
I'll open a tinnie for ya .....
:p
happy birfday to youuuuu....happy birfday to....you....
may the owls stop bouncing
happy birfday to you...

Think I might enter eurovision next year...;)

thank you Diode!! having a lurverly satnave free day so far..........:o

[diode_blade]

We'll not be allowed in by then but,hopefully, if we are, your voice is better than your songwriting 'skills' Diode :)

Errrrr no, the only gig I got was as an air raid warning siren.....:)

[tomytony]

Errrrr no, the only gig I got was as an air raid warning siren.....:)

Funnily enough I could empty any full pub given the mic.

[bulmer1889]

Happy birthday aya your kids have struck gold today can kill 2 birds with one stone ;)

[Ayamonteblade]

Happy birthday aya your kids have struck gold today can kill 2 birds with one stone ;)

thanks bully - but??? who's struck gold? Have i missed something?

[bulmer1889]

Just presumed you had offspring aya obviously not