Please please please sack him now....

[LSArab]

From all I hear Csaba is a nice guy but he is totally clueless as manager

We should have sacked him last season when it was obvious he was not up to it.

Tactics, selections, substitutions, pre and post match comments, game management - every department has been poor.

IMO he should have gone after we lost up at Inverness last season. A number of spineless performances and it was obvious team going in wrong direction.

In play offs the Livi debacle at home was entirely of Csaba making - that cost us promotion

He moaned all week before Livi about tiredness - he makes no subs until bringing on Ling with 12 mins to go. You could not have made up how bad that game was managed

We need to give ourselves a chance this season

Sadly csaba is not and has never been the answer

I like Mike Martin and all he has been saying. He has given csaba lots of chances and backing but it is terrible now where this is heading.

Csaba cost us chance of promotion last season. if he stays in charge I fear for the future of the club. This is a very competitive league and if we are so far off it as at present then bottom half / relegation scrap is not impossible

To put this in perspective have the club ever lost a competitive cup match at home to Arbroath and Alloa in the same season

This is very embarrassing and shaming for a once great club - please let us try and move on, we need to make a decisive change now until it is too late

[Arab 8010]

Not gonna happen

[shedka]

Fan pressure can make it happen, believe it or not it might even unite us, I've never felt this strongly about a manager being wrong for us (even including mixu, mcall, chisholm, brewster)

This is a critical time for the club, we can't afford to waste this season, we have no hope of challenging or getting closer with Laszlo at the helm, he doesn't even get players playing for him, McKinnons or his own

Like the OP I like what Martin has said and done so far with one glaring but most important decision he has so far got very wrong, standing by Laszlo in the name of stability that we will never have under him, in fact we have never been this de-stabilised under a manager

Dundee United need stability, to get that we need a manager that can bring stability and united the fans behind him, to get that set need to replace the current incumbent otherwise nothing will improve short or long term and all the other good things being done won't matter

[shedka]

or maybe, just maybe Csaba will do the right thing and resign.....

[B4 i go]

Simple question, how much£ would it cost to get rid oh shabba and his dross? Add to that MM,s self esteem equals we r fckd

[Arab 8010]

It's got to happen now though. No point starting the league campaign with him

[LSArab]

There are quite a few decent managers around now.

It is totally critical - stop the downward slide as soon as possible while we still have a league campaign

[shedka]

The five that roll of the tongue that are realistic that I said in the other thread

Wright
Neilson
Hopkins
McCall
Houston

[shedka]

No one i spoke wanted him to be kept on, everyone you speak to wants him gone, it's unanimous on the forums, utd mad 90% want him gone, teks 99% want him gone, east futba 90% want him gone, pie and bovril arabs want him gone

[Whitfieldarab]

I won't be able to see a game until the Pars home game and from what I'm reading I'm dreading it.

The league Cup starts far too early and it's being unfairly treated as a pre season tournament by some. We should have started pre season 2 weeks earlier imo with a couple more friendlies thrown in and gave this cup a proper go.

Hate going out of cups with a whimper but this trophy is being cheapened by its early start.

[An old shed boy]

Just from memory here but many years ago did the league cup in groups not start the season.
Might be bollox.
Maybe some of the older guys can help.

[LSArab]

I think there is a saying in business that the best loss is the early loss

Despite being so bad last season Mike Martin tried to give casaba a further chance. Unfortunately it is blindingly obvious things are only getting worse and it is the same Csaba as last season

It is desperate

We really need a new manager to have any hope of salvaging this season

[LSArab]

Just from memory here but many years ago did the league cup in groups not start the season.
Might be bollox.
Maybe some of the older guys can help.


Yes in the Jerry Kerr days still I think there were league cup groups at start

[stokearab]

Just from memory here but many years ago did the league cup in groups not start the season.
Might be bollox.
Maybe some of the older guys can help.

Definitely did. Can't remember when it stopped though.

[Chick A Saw]

The five that roll of the tongue that are realistic that I said in the other thread

Wright
Neilson
Hopkins
McCall
Houston

Wright i dont want,
Neilson i really dont see why some want him here as he did well under Levein, but failed doon sooth.
Hopkins im not sure about,
McCall might be ok,
Houston downward spiral so would fit in well!

I would probably get shot down suggesting Allan Johnston, but i really cant think of anyone who would come here!

[stokearab]

Yes in the Jerry Kerr days still I think there were league cup groups at start

IIRC it wasn't seeded then so the group stage could throw up some cracking games

[An old shed boy]

That’s a relief that I’m not losing the plot yet.
I don’t think we played these games as friendlies or pre- season did we?
Were United Aberdeen Rangers and Celtic not always the seeded teams.

[stokearab]

Wright i dont want,
Neilson i really dont see why some want him here as he did well under Levein, but failed doon sooth.
Hopkins im not sure about,
McCall might be ok,
Houston downward spiral so would fit in well!

I would probably get shot down suggesting Allan Johnston, but i really cant think of anyone who would come here!

What has been proved beyond doubt in the last 3 years is that there is no one candidate that all the fans would unanimously agree on.
For example McCall unpopular due to being "ex Sevco" (I think he'd be great actually) Houston toys and prams, Neilson didn't cut it down south, Hopkin plays anti football and so it goes on etc etc
But somewhere there's a manager who would come and would motivate the players and blend them into a cohesive system.
As someone said and I agree with it this is not down to the players this is down to Csaba being unable to lead, motivate, set up and drive passion and a simple will to win. A decent manager would get more out of these players almost immediately (as Shedka said) but you sense that MM is going to stick with him.

[TerryTheTerror]

That’s a relief that I’m not losing the plot yet.
I don’t think we played these games as friendlies or pre- season did we?
Were United Aberdeen Rangers and Celtic not always the seeded teams.

I'll bet they never started before the World Cup finished though.

[An old shed boy]

What has been proved beyond doubt in the last 3 years is that there is no one candidate that all the fans would unanimously agree on.
For example McCall unpopular due to being "ex Sevco" (I think he'd be great actually) Houston toys and prams, Neilson didn't cut it down south, Hopkin plays anti football and so it goes on etc etc
But somewhere there's a manager who would come and would motivate the players and blend them into a cohesive system.
As someone said and I agree with it this is not down to the players this is down to Csaba being unable to lead, motivate, set up and drive passion and a simple will to win. A decent manager would get more out of these players almost immediately (as Shedka said) but you sense that MM is going to stick with him.
Great post Stoke.
Well summed up.

[An old shed boy]

I'll bet they never started before the World Cup finished though.
They played the league cup every year though.
Not only when there was a World Cup.

[TerryTheTerror]

I know but the point I'm making is it starts much earlier now than it used to.

[stokearab]

I'll bet they never started before the World Cup finished though.

No Terry the SFA always waited til our players were back in those days!

[An old shed boy]

I know but the point I'm making is it starts much earlier now than it used to.
I know Terry.
I just struggle with the concept that we are treating it as some kind of preseason .
2nd bottom behind Arbroath and Alloa is hard to take when you look at our record in the competition.

[LSArab]

The question is this---

DO YOU THINK WE ARE GOING TO WIN THE LEAGUE THIS SEASON?

That was the target and stated aim of csaba when he came in last season - at that stage we were joint top and we ended up way back, miles behind St Mirren and in 3rd behind Livi

The target and stated aim of Mike Martin has been consistent - to win the league.

Those backing csaba must believe that what he is doing and his abilities are such that we are going to meet our aims and win the league

Sorry but no way, there has to be a change

[An old shed boy]

Thompson has been cited as the worst ever chairman of our club.
Despite doing well over the last few months MM might well take over that mantle.
It’s with him what to do with Czaba.
Keep him and hope. ( does anybody seriously think that that the next 2 weeks will make any difference).
Or make the right decision and sack him.
And then the next big decision- who can replace him?
As Stoke said there’s no choice that will please everybody or even the majority.

[tartanarab]

I would be happy with Ellis taking the rains with an older head to advise him. We played our best football with him at the helm last season, even CL first few games where we played decent and won were all heavily influenced by Ellis

[shedka]

His after match interview on Arab zone just gets me pissed off, he name drops Barton and Frans for errors, can't even get the opposition team right

Never takes at responsibility, well guess what Csaba, you are hopeless and have made an arse of this job, it's on you, the results this calendar year are the worst in 60+ years, your tactics are terrible, your selections baffling, your style of play awful and your game management shyte (which cost us in a play off game against a team that we had already finished behind because of you)

You do not deserve to manage Dundee United, I will celebrate when you are no longer manager

[lincsdee]

his after match interview on arab zone just gets me pissed off, he name drops barton and frans for errors, can't even get the opposition team right

never takes at responsibility, well guess what csaba, you are hopeless and have made an arse of this job, it's on you, the results this calendar year are the worst in 60+ years, your tactics are terrible, your selections baffling, your style of play awful and your game management shyte (which cost us in a play off game against a team that we had already finished behind because of you)

you do not deserve to manage dundee united, i will celebrate when you are no longer manager

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[stokearab]

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Are you Alan Partridge in disguise

[An old shed boy]

His after match interview on Arab zone just gets me pissed off, he name drops Barton and Frans for errors, can't even get the opposition team right

Never takes at responsibility, well guess what Csaba, you are hopeless and have made an arse of this job, it's on you, the results this calendar year are the worst in 60+ years, your tactics are terrible, your selections baffling, your style of play awful and your game management shyte (which cost us in a play off game against a team that we had already finished behind because of you)

You do not deserve to manage Dundee United, I will celebrate when you are no longer manager
You’ve summed him up perfectly.
Never takes responsibility for his decisions.
Worst kind of manager.

[stokearab]

His after match interview on Arab zone just gets me pissed off, he name drops Barton and Frans for errors, can't even get the opposition team right

Never takes at responsibility, well guess what Csaba, you are hopeless and have made an arse of this job, it's on you, the results this calendar year are the worst in 60+ years, your tactics are terrible, your selections baffling, your style of play awful and your game management shyte (which cost us in a play off game against a team that we had already finished behind because of you)

You do not deserve to manage Dundee United, I will celebrate when you are no longer manager

If that's correct that he mentioned Frans and Barton specifically in terms of errors if I was the chairman I would make sure he never set another foot inside Tannadice

[Arabs4ever]

See the managers mentioned to replace Shabba, Neilson would be my top pick. Why? He got Hearts out of this league as champions. The only negative I can see is that he is an ex-player.

McCall didn't get The Rangers up. Houston was good with a inherited squad, his own signings were awful. Hopkin could do a job but with the amount of players signed already he'll probably be wise and wouldn't come near us as Neil Alexander will give him the honest truth about the "squad". If we didn't have the Transfer Window sho!te to put up with it might be salvageable. However I fear the worst.

[LSArab]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2931807/dundee-united-paul-mcmullan-james-keatings/

Only a rumour in the sun but this has got me even more worried

From the squad at the moment we seem to be taking a nose dive

If we are getting rid of two of the better potential performers and who we know can deliver something then I am shocked. Squad already looks thin to me

The sooner Csaba goes and we let the next man have control the better.

As said elsewhere can anyone really see anything changes as to how Csaba operates in the next week, month, 3 months???

[Chick A Saw]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2931807/dundee-united-paul-mcmullan-james-keatings/

Only a rumour in the sun but this has got me even more worried

From the squad at the moment we seem to be taking a nose dive

If we are getting rid of two of the better potential performers and who we know can deliver something then I am shocked. Squad already looks thin to me

The sooner Csaba goes and we let the next man have control the better.

As said elsewhere can anyone really see anything changes as to how Csaba operates in the next week, month, 3 months???

If these 2 are allowed to leave, i can just picture the situation over the first 10 games where someone cuts in from the left and continually skies their shot. A couple of times that player is fouled and up steps our dead ball "specialist" who cant trouble the keeper. Maybe 2 of the nails that will seal the removal of Shabba!

[shedboy71]

Anyone wanting shabba to stay should be forced to watch everyone of his interviews back to back.

Personally id rather waterboarding at guantanemo

[The old shed]

Just watching Sye Ferry interview Russell Anderson. Ebbe Skovdahl sounds very similar to Shabba . Hour and half team talks language barrier was a big problem could speak English but phrase's were were a problem getting his message across remains difficult all season. As Ebbe picked up some phrase's he started using them but in the wrong context. The player's throughout the season wrote them down on a table Ebbe saw them at end of season and the penny finally dropped. I can see this being a huge problem with Shabba.

[shedboy71]

Or shabba is just ****e as well

[The old shed]

Or shabba is just ****e as well
Yup but I think Golac struggled also. My choice would be Tommy Wright old head steady hand would give stability without flattering I think this is what United need for a good few years . Stability.

[shedboy71]

We would have the language barrier with Tommy as well but id give it a go - maybe with an interpreter?

[shedka]

Yup but I think Golac struggled also. My choice would be Tommy Wright old head steady hand would give stability without flattering I think this is what United need for a good few years . Stability.


Definitely, and he is the type who when the time comes would have us ready for any derby type games, the players would know it too, he'd create a spirit within the side

[ClashCityRocker]

If we do decide on a new manager Stuart McCall would be my first choice - he would under no illusion about how big a task it would be to get promotion. He knows the game inside out, played for Scotland and won't suffer losers or being second best - he is a winner.

Whatever happens, the task ahead will be a long, difficult road.

[Arabknight]

I dnt get the tommy Wright thing. His name comes up time and time again. Yeh he may steady the ship (that wld be good short term) bt watching st Johnston play is like watching paint dry. Know a couple of saint fans who were hoping that he wld either get sack or leave last season.

My choice wld be mcall.

[shedka]

Whereas I don't get the McCall over Wright thing

Motherwell lost lots of games under him as well there was no Inbetween with them, we utterly annihilated them on a few occasions, did poor in cups over all and were fortunate to finish ahead of us and the sheep one of the seasons, done terrible at Ibrox and Bradford

Wrights St Johnstone a smaller budget, more solid overall, has won a trophy and generally do well in cups aswell as consistent finishes, like his signings in general too, also gets good results in Glasgow, Sheepville and Edinburgh

I'd take McCall over the current incumbent but not over Wright

[japanarab]

Csaba, Burger and the new fitness coach are all under contract I assume? Where's all the cash coming from to pay them all off if we do decide to punt him. And a new guy will come in and galvanize a team with (12?) new players? What a total mess!!! I'm just hoping it's all part of Shabba's plan to lure our league opponents into a false sense of security then unveil his new formation and system against Dunfermline first game.

[Arabknight]

Shedka Yogi did similar job with Inverness granted didn’t have the longevity Wright has had bt wldnt want him either.

If we were able to unearth a manger akin to a jack Ross or Hopkin that wld be great. Bt I fear we are in too much of a mess to take such gamble if shabba was to go and will prob end up with a tried and tested manger such as Houston or wright. Both of which wld nt be my choice to take the club forward.

[Jim_Jam]

It's hard not to be negative when it comes to Csaba.

One up front and all back for corners at home to Arbroath and getting beat.

Please let that game be the bottom of our decline and things are going to get better.

[LSArab]

Shedka Yogi did similar job with Inverness granted didn’t have the longevity Wright has had bt wldnt want him either.

If we were able to unearth a manger akin to a jack Ross or Hopkin that wld be great. Bt I fear we are in too much of a mess to take such gamble if shabba was to go and will prob end up with a tried and tested manger such as Houston or wright. Both of which wld nt be my choice to take the club forward.

Perhaps no need to unearth a manager akin to Hopkin as Hopkin himself could be available?!?

First step is we need to bite the bullet and accept Csaba is not a good manager. All the reasons he was bad last season have not gone away