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Zippity
11-11-2018, 09:30 PM
He's a strange one.

On the one hand, in possession he's ponderous at best and generally clumsy. He got caught napping on the ball a lot yesterday and conceded possession too easily. I've seen him come in for a bit of stick and can totally understand where people are coming from in that respect.

But...there's no-one else in the team who does the dirty stuff like he does (well, Ritchie sort of does ;) ). He breaks up play and disrupts the opposition's rhythm. He;s not the force he once was but showed in that run last season how good he can still be; if we lost him I think we'd struggle to replace the things he does.


Thoughts.

Jammy89
11-11-2018, 09:43 PM
Agreed.

I don't rate him and yet i was looking at the stats for what he does, nobody else comes close.

I think if we lost him we'd lose a key bit of the way Rafa wants us to play, in a strange way.

We need an upgraded version of him but i think the type of player he is fits how Rafa has play.

nufcwelsh93
11-11-2018, 09:58 PM
He's a strange one.

On the one hand, in possession he's ponderous at best and generally clumsy. He got caught napping on the ball a lot yesterday and conceded possession too easily. I've seen him come in for a bit of stick and can totally understand where people are coming from in that respect.

But...there's no-one else in the team who does the dirty stuff like he does (well, Ritchie sort of does ;) ). He breaks up play and disrupts the opposition's rhythm. He;s not the force he once was but showed in that run last season how good he can still be; if we lost him I think we'd struggle to replace the things he does.


Thoughts.

agreed Zip, i think if his acceleration gets him out of trouble a lot of the time, he is quick off the mark allows him to recover.

Hes not the best at the position, but hes the best we have in that position and plays a ***** role in the team i think.

Man, i miss the days of Tiote in form (RIP)

Zippity
11-11-2018, 10:03 PM
Aye, he was the boy, like.

Then the moron that is Pardew moved him further forward and ruined him.

toonlegend
11-11-2018, 10:07 PM
he is definitely an enigma... unbelievably clumsy - then shows off some sublime ball skills

ex_pat_magpie
11-11-2018, 11:27 PM
he is definitely an enigma... unbelievably clumsy - then shows off some sublime ball skills

I wonder if he just needs specialised individual coaching.

Davearmy
12-11-2018, 10:36 AM
He loses the ball way too often for me and his passing is gash not to mention he gives needless free kicks away constantly in dangerous positions and has cost us points this season.

I wouldn't play him again.

waalsendmick
12-11-2018, 10:56 AM
He is not good enough, but he is the only player we have that play the CDM role (as the kids call it these days).

The same as Perez, he finished last season strongly, so as a result, does not get replaced.

HughieG
12-11-2018, 12:20 PM
Perez also scores goals occasionally which, up until our most recent match, no one else did. I think it's fair enough that Rafa has largely stuck by him.

Diamé - if he was a little faster I think he would be really good in the CDM role. I don't rate him highly, but I fear that Ki and Shelvey next to each other would leave some open spaces for the opposition.

trinitoon
12-11-2018, 12:46 PM
The man sometimes puts in monster shifts doing unglamorous work. For me, he just needs to offload the ball faster with simpler passes. People around him maybe need to show for passes when he does have the ball. He's very dodgy going forward but we don't need him to do that.

HughieG
12-11-2018, 12:59 PM
He's very dodgy going forward but we don't need him to do that.

I'd rather we didn't! Even if that's what he was brought in for originally.

Xamand
12-11-2018, 02:16 PM
One thing that would improve Diame's play is a pair of wing mirrors. The number of times, just this season alone, that I have seen him receive the ball, dwell on it and then let an opposition player stroll up behind him and casually take the ball off him, takes the biscuit

toonfalifekevbrown
12-11-2018, 08:44 PM
Not his biggest fan tbh .and probably never will be

Jammy89
13-11-2018, 10:03 PM
Interesting stat today.

Diame has completed the 3rd most tackles in the prem so far this season.

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_tackle

trinitoon
14-11-2018, 11:56 AM
I believe this.

This kind of dirty work isn't usually recognised - only the mistakes do. But it is hard, hard unglamorous work. As long as he doesn't get his roles over-extended, he can improve. Of course, when he fu'cks up, the oppo is right on top of our defenders but he is not as bad as people make out.

He's not got the same engine as Conte but when he's on it, he is everywhere.

No one else in the team can do this work. Hate seeing Shelvey in DM because he is always one high tackle away from a red. When Hayden plays there, it makes me want to find a bridge to jump off of.

waalsendmick
14-11-2018, 05:40 PM
I said at the end of last season we needed to replace Diame, Yedlin and perez in the 1st team. Yedlin has improved a little this season. But we are weak down the middle of the team. It still needs addressing.

They are both capable of decent performances (as shown in last season's run in) but neither are consistent enough for the level we hope to be.

pboromag
15-11-2018, 09:36 AM
if you watch the games he does loads
he is a good player

as I have said many times and just like sissokko who some don't rate
players like them go un noticed

we have some good players

we just need to get the best from the SQUAD

ronandtet
15-11-2018, 11:46 AM
I said at the end of last season we needed to replace Diame, Yedlin and perez in the 1st team. Yedlin has improved a little this season. But we are weak down the middle of the team. It still needs addressing.

They are both capable of decent performances (as shown in last season's run in) but neither are consistent enough for the level we hope to be.

think he wants moving on no consistency - one week he's like pele next week he's like a newly born giraffe

Geordie_Jacko
15-11-2018, 01:09 PM
think he wants moving on no consistency - one week he's like pele next week he's like a newly born giraffe

I couldn't of put it any better myself. 😂🤣

trinitoon
15-11-2018, 04:56 PM
Er, yeah. But back in the real world, if Fat Pig isn't buying a sorely needed striker, he's not replacing Diame in a hurry, is he?

pboromag
15-11-2018, 07:30 PM
I said at the end of last season we needed to replace Diame, Yedlin and perez in the 1st team. Yedlin has improved a little this season. But we are weak down the middle of the team. It still needs addressing.

They are both capable of decent performances (as shown in last season's run in) but neither are consistent enough for the level we hope to be.

they were good enough for top 10 last season
how much more higher do you think we should be