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Oldstripy
26-09-2019, 12:39 PM
Bury: EFL members to vote on club's request to be in League Two next year

By Dan Roan

BBC sports editor

Bury Football Club's fans fight to keep their club alive
Bury could take a crucial step towards reinstatement into the English Football League at a pivotal meeting of the 71 member clubs on Thursday.

The former League One outfit was expelled last month after a last-ditch takeover bid collapsed.

Earlier this week a group trying to rescue Bury submitted a proposal for "compassionate re-entry" to League Two.

But opening the door to readmission is just one of a number of options that the EFL's remaining clubs will discuss.

Road to rescue?

Attendees at the meeting in Milton Keynes - which will also cover a range of other topics - will be asked to vote on three courses of action in the wake of Bury's demise:

To remain at 71 members To return to 72 members, with the club finishing second bottom in League Two receiving a reprieve, and two clubs promoted from the National League Or, to return to 72 members with either the runner-up in the National League also promoted - or with another club added, eg Bury

If there is an indication that the reinstatement of Bury is the preferred option, and a change in the league's regulations is therefore required, a board meeting will be called and then another general meeting will take place three weeks later.

At that stage, a formal vote would be required at which 50% of all the clubs and 50% of the Championship would need to back reinstatement.

The BBC understands the rescue bid is strongly opposed by most League Two clubs, one of which will be relegated if Bury are readmitted, and now hangs in the balance.

If Bury's bid is rejected, they will have to apply to the Football Association for a place in non-league football.

Bury do not know where - or if - they will be playing next season

Background

Bury's 125-year membership of the Football League was ended after a proposed takeover bid from C&N Sporting Risk collapsed over what it described as "systemic failings" they could not overcome. By then their first five league games of the season had been cancelled after failing to provide documentation proving they had the required funds to last the season.

However, the 'Bury FC Rescue Board' - backed by the supporters' trust, local MPs, the Greater Manchester Mayor and local authorities - has now sent a proposal to the EFL pleading for reinstatement, containing confirmation of 'active bidders' and a signed statement from owner Steve Dale vowing to sell the club.

But the club's fate now rests in the hands of the member clubs.

The EFL has been heavily criticised for its handling of crises at both Bury and also at Bolton, which narrowly escaped liquidation last month, and for governance regulations that allow owners to purchase clubs before showing proof of funds.

A comprehensive financial sustainability review has been announced, and a group of MPs are holding a hearing this autumn into the role the EFL plays in safeguarding clubs.

Last month, Bury said it was "actively considering" legal action against the EFL for not considering late bids for the club, and the "unfair" expulsion.

New leadership
Clubs attending Thursday's meeting will also be asked to endorse the board's recommendation of former Premier League and Liverpool FC chief Rick Parry as the EFL's new chairman.

If approved, the decision would need final ratification at a general meeting, when acting chair Debbie Jevans will step down and return to being a non-executive director.

Parry's arrival - and the further appointment of a new chief executive - come at a crucial time for the EFL, and after a turbulent few months with some Championship clubs still considering pursuing a breakaway if their deep-seated grievances over the handling of a new £595m Sky TV deal are not addressed.

Despite the EFL pointing to the certainty of a five-year deal that secured a 35% increase on the previous deal, the rebel clubs believe it was signed without them being properly consulted, chronically undervalued their TV rights and undermined their attempts to develop their own streaming services. The gulf in broadcasting revenues when compared to the Premier League continues to be a source of tension and resentment.

Meanwhile, Middlesbrough are also set to sue the EFL for allegedly failing to uphold their financial rules with regards to the Derby County owner's purchase of Pride Park.

The EFL is to conduct independent valuations regarding sales by Derby, Sheffield Wednesday and Reading of their grounds to their owners, amid concern a loophole was exploited to help them comply with profit and sustainability rules. All the clubs concerned have defended the sale of their grounds.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49829915

upthemaggies
26-09-2019, 12:49 PM
I'd imagine most of the clubs in the bottom half of L2 will vote no.

Other clubs' votes will probably depend on whether or not they can see themselves ever being in the same position. It sets a precedent, it could grant chairman licence to push beyond previously accepted lines in the sand in certain circumstances. We all feel bad for Bury fans but I'm not sure it would be a good thing to allow them back into the 4th tier, which is the same level they last played a league fixture.

LaughingMagpie
26-09-2019, 01:16 PM
I'd imagine most of the clubs in the bottom half of L2 will vote no.

Other clubs' votes will probably depend on whether or not they can see themselves ever being in the same position. It sets a precedent, it could grant chairman licence to push beyond previously accepted lines in the sand in certain circumstances. We all feel bad for Bury fans but I'm not sure it would be a good thing to allow them back into the 4th tier, which is the same level they last played a league fixture.Quite right too. I don't know the circumstances of the other clubs that have dropped out of the league and have had to start again lower down the pyramid but I am sure they would have a legal case should Bury be reinstated.

Glad2BeAPie
26-09-2019, 02:03 PM
If they allow Bury to be in league 2, it will a smack in the mouth for others who's been demoted

LilCrazyKim
26-09-2019, 02:10 PM
The EFL have rejected Bury's application for reinstatement (not surprisingly really) and confirmed only one club down to the NL this season. That presumably means only 3 down from the NL.

https://www.efl.com/news/2019/september/efl-statement-efl-agrees-plan-to-return-to-full-72-club-membership

bridpie78
26-09-2019, 02:17 PM
Its funny that it was held in Milton Keynes, was there a vote by clubs to allow them to steal wimbledons identity and take their place in the league?

LaxtonLad
26-09-2019, 02:35 PM
What is so special about Bury that they should receive preferential treatment above non-league clubs that have to fight their way up through the pyramid?

"Active bidders"? Would they be so active if Bury were to drop to the level of the National League or lower?

As I understand it, because of Bury's expulsion, at the end of this season, to keep the numbers even, only one club will be relegated from L2. If Bury were to be re-admitted then there would be two, so some existing L2 club will go down while Bury bounce back and take their place. You might argue that the bottom two deserve relegation, well that might be so but it's not right if it's just to keep the numbers even.

ncfcog
26-09-2019, 02:36 PM
The EFL have rejected Bury's application for reinstatement (not surprisingly really) and confirmed only one club down to the NL this season. That presumably means only 3 down from the NL.

https://www.efl.com/news/2019/september/efl-statement-efl-agrees-plan-to-return-to-full-72-club-membership

Could be only one up from NL? Suppose it depends at what level of the pyramid Bury are allowed back in?

countygump
26-09-2019, 03:16 PM
Could be only one up from NL? Suppose it depends at what level of the pyramid Bury are allowed back in?

Not very often they alter the promotion numbers as that seems blatantly unfair. They normally alter the those who are relegated.

upthemaggies
26-09-2019, 04:09 PM
Could be only one up from NL? Suppose it depends at what level of the pyramid Bury are allowed back in?

If they were re-admitted at 5th tier level I'm quite sure they'd relegate 4 instead of what's assumed to be 3 down 2 up should Bury return any lower.

The NL has long been campaigning for more promotion places, I can't believe they'd reduce it to 1 (and therefore either removing the play off places or denying the champions auto promotion) when there's a much simpler solution.

Bohinen
26-09-2019, 04:31 PM
Their bid was rejected

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7508231/Bury-bid-lifeline-rejected-EFL-clubs-turn-rescue-plan.html

Also, the Titanic has hit an iceberg. Should be OK though

LaxtonLad
26-09-2019, 05:25 PM
It had to be done. An appeal to sentiment was never going to get them anywhere, as I said earlier "What's so special about Bury?" Besides, as someone else said, it would set a precedent and any club in the same predicament in the future could claim the same privilege and immunity

I can see the Premiership adopting a "Don't Relegate The Rich Clubs Even If they Finish Bottom" policy soon though.

ncfcog
26-09-2019, 05:45 PM
If they were re-admitted at 5th tier level I'm quite sure they'd relegate 4 instead of what's assumed to be 3 down 2 up should Bury return any lower.

The NL has long been campaigning for more promotion places, I can't believe they'd reduce it to 1 (and therefore either removing the play off places or denying the champions auto promotion) when there's a much simpler solution.

I suppose so, just being my usual pessimistic self!

queenslandpie
27-09-2019, 06:17 AM
It had to be done. An appeal to sentiment was never going to get them anywhere, as I said earlier "What's so special about Bury?" Besides, as someone else said, it would set a precedent and any club in the same predicament in the future could claim the same privilege and immunity

I can see the Premiership adopting a "Don't Relegate The Rich Clubs Even If they Finish Bottom" policy soon though.

When was the last time a rich club got relegated. the richest club to go down is probably Man city before they were rich, Newcastle or Aston Villa. It will just never happen.

OP67
27-09-2019, 08:49 AM
I see Steve Dale is still the owner of the club so nothing much has changed. Why would the EFL allow them back in? The best thing for Bury would be new owners and a new start AFC Bury. No one is going to take on the £17m debt they have.