WW3 - are we bothered?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The Orange Buffoon pulls the trigger, we have a nuclear powered sub with missiles locked and loaded on Tehran.

Where's the outrage?

[1959_60]

The US is now a rogue state and we will be right by their side as we desperately try to reach a trade deal with them.

WW3 is a real possibility and we should have no part in it.

Alas, with things as they are, we will be shoulder to shoulder with Donald.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The US is now a rogue state and we will be right by their side as we desperately try to reach a trade deal with them.

WW3 is a real possibility and we should have no part in it.

Alas, with things as they are, we will be shoulder to shoulder with Donald.

Terrifying really isn't it? :blue:

[Deadlydave]

If you have read the bible then you would know; It's not the end yet. Relax, it will be far worse than this when the end does come. So far one terrorist is dead.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

If you have read the bible then you would know; It's not the end yet. Relax, it will be far worse than this when the end does come. So far one terrorist is dead.

A full ranked General in the Iranian Army is a terrorist?

[alfinyalcabo]

You need World Wars to keep the population down.. I'm surprised we are having to wait so long as It's almost 75 years since the last one.. Hopefully it will be fought in the Middle East and not in Europe.. Most wars start over something trivial ,so Trump knows what he's doing winding the Muslims up by assassinating the General and how the Mussies will behave.. He's hoping for retaliation so he can bomb the Mussies as much as he wants.. Perhaps into oblivion ..

[1959_60]

With Trump very obviously orchestrating conflict, possibly a large scale war, in that area then it's not looking good for us. If we are honest we would keep well clear but we will be fighting with the Yanks.
Also on board would be Israel ans Saudi. That sounds to me like the coalition of the devil.

On't tuther side will be Iran, Russia and China - which is not much better.

The EU countries will not get involved but economically we will be forced to.

With a nutter like Trump in charge he could quite easily decide to nuke Iran when they retaliate in the next few days.

At that point it's not worth considering the outcome...

[Balanbam00]

''Also on board would be Israel and the Saudis. That sounds to me like the coalition of the devil.''

Not quiet so 59-60, it is in the Saudi interest to link up with Israel. After all what's at stake ,those oil fields and a disruption to the Saudi economy,with out oil what do the Saudis have?
Israel and Saudi Arabia do not have any official diplomatic relations. However, news reports have surfaced indicating extensive behind-the-scenes diplomatic and intelligence cooperation between the countries, in pursuit of mutual goals against regional enemy Iran. For example :

''The State of Israel this week congratulated Saudi Arabia on its national day, showering the Gulf kingdom with warm wishes for peace and security, despite the absence of formal diplomatic relations between the two countries.
Arabic-language Twitter accounts run by the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem on Sunday and Monday issued at least three messages on the occasion of Saudi Arabia’s 89th national day, which, every year on September 23, celebrates King Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud naming the area after his family in 1932.
“We congratulate the Saudi people on the occasion of its 89th national day,” the Foreign Ministry’s Arabic-language channel wrote......and:

Ambassador Reema Bandar Al Saud wishes ‘a happy and sweet new year’ in card decorated with honey, apples and pomegranates.
Saudi Arabia’s embassy in Washington sent out Rosh Hashanah greetings to US Jews wishing them a happy and sweet Jewish new year,
According to a report, it was the first time the embassy has sent such a message to Jewish people in America.

Israel has over the last few years intensified its outreach to Arab countries, especially in the Gulf, amid rising tensions with Iran, a common enemy.

[Balanbam00]

''With a nutter like Trump in charge he could quite easily decide to nuke Iran when they retaliate in the next few days.''

Trump’s decision to kill Soleimani is in keeping with his principles of putting pressure on Iran and follows his withdrawal from the 2015 nuclear deal, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, which granted Iran a flush of money to prop up the regime and fund terrorism in return for a temporary delay in reaching its goals of achieving military nuclear capability.
It is, however, no secret that the American president has an unpredictable style of diplomacy. In this case, it could be useful. The regime of the ayatollahs in Iran should now be extra cautious about how they respond to Soleimani’s death. They cannot know how Trump will respond to anything they do. On the other hand, this might also mean that the attack was a one-off and that Trump will not have the stamina to keep the pressure on Iran after it responds with force. Time will tell.

[Balanbam00]

The killing of Quds Force Commander Qassim Soleimani and Iraqi paramilitary leader Abu-Mahdi Al-Muhandis changes everything. With one fell blow Trump has taken out the two dominant figures exporting Iranian militancy across the region. Although the furious regime in Tehran will seek a devastating riposte, this operation liquidates the man who for three decades masterminded its regional terrorist strategy.
By late 2011 most diplomats were predicting that Bashar Assad would be driven out of power within weeks. Instead, Soleimani flew to Damascus and embarked on a massive campaign to bankroll the dictator and establish sizeable militia forces (using many of his Iraqi proteges).
Soleimani’s strategy ultimately achieved the impossible, with his forces wading their way through rivers of civilian blood to retake much of the country.Soleimani was also the architect of Iran’s intervention in Yemen, incorrectly arguing that Tehran could give Gulf states a bloody nose without them ever daring to respond.
Soleimani was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of protesters, personally ordering the deployment of snipers and deploying paramilitary units to confront demonstrators with lethal force. He pressured Iraq’s leaders to be even more aggressive in crushing the protests. Even if paramilitaries flood the streets to condemn the death of their idol, protesters must seize the momentum in demanding that Tehran doesn’t use their nation as an arena for a bloody confrontation with the US. This is a golden opportunity for Iraqis to begin regaining their stolen sovereignty.
The Tehran regime is like a bag of angry cats. They are capable of lashing out painfully, yet this operation could goad them into a succession of rash, foolish and self-defeating actions that will fundamentally undermine the regime itself. Soleimani was widely despised by Iranians for squandering the nation’s wealth on overseas terrorism. There will be little sympathy among citizens if the regime plunges the region into a futile and costly war over his death.
By killing Soleimani, the US has decapitated the principal agent of Tehran’s strategy for regional hegemony, bringing an end to a long phase of Tehran-branded militancy dominated by the Quds Force commander personally. No other global terrorist boasts Soleimani’s longevity in overseeing thousands of paramilitary and terrorist attacks over at least four decades. He lived by the sword and died a fitting death. His passing should not be mourned.
(parts taken from ,Baria Alamuddin is an award-winning journalist and broadcaster in the Middle East and the UK.)

[Balanbam00]

The decision by US President Donald Trump to kill Qasem Soleimani, leader of Iran’s Quds Force, should not be considered a controversial move but rather a welcome one that rid the world of an arch terrorist, responsible for the deaths of thousands of people across the globe.
Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps’ Quds Force is embedding itself in Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and elsewhere, realizing the dream of the Islamic Republic to set up a crescent of power throughout the region, from the Mediterranean Sea to the Red Sea. Wherever Iran has power, it uses it for terrorism. The targets range from the horrific attack on the AMIA Jewish community building in Buenos Aires, which left 85 people dead in 1994, to the ongoing rocket attacks from Yemen on Saudi Arabia and the attacks on oil tankers in the Persian Gulf; the occasional firing of Katyushas onto the Israeli side of the Golan Heights; and the storming of the US Embassy in Baghdad and attacks on US military bases in Iraq.

The targeted killing sent out a clear message to Iran and the terrorist organizations and murderous regimes it supports: No more.
It’s true that Iran is expected to respond and it is not known when, where and at what price. But what’s also clear is that had Soleimani continued fostering terrorism unrestrained, this too would have resulted in the death of innocent victims.
Trump’s decision to kill Soleimani is in keeping with his principles of putting pressure on Iran and follows his withdrawal from the 2015 nuclear deal, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, which granted Iran a flush of money to prop up the regime and fund terrorism in return for a temporary delay in reaching its goals of achieving military nuclear capability.
Iran might want to turn Soleimani into a martyr, but he was no saint. He should not be mourned or missed by anybody with a sense of moral decency.

[alfinyalcabo]

I'm certainly not mourning his passing .. Nor will be the thousands of people related to people the scumbag has had murdered.. Good riddance to him and his protégé.

[1959_60]

Balan (and others) in a poll in Germany the people were asked which leader of a nation was the greatest threat to world peace. The results were...

Donald Trump (USA) 41%
Kim Jong-Un (North Korea) 17%
Ali Khamenei (Iran) 8%
Vladimir Putin (Russia) 8%
Xi-Jinping (China) 7%

On this subject the Germans should be listened to very carefully! XD

[alfinyalcabo]

Balan (and others) in a poll in Germany the people were asked which leader of a nation was the greatest threat to world peace. The results were...

Donald Trump (USA) 41%
Kim Jong-Un (North Korea) 17%
Ali Khamenei (Iran) 8%
Vladimir Putin (Russia) 8%
Xi-Jinping (China) 7%

On this subject the Germans should be listened to very carefully! XD


In a poll in England the people were asked whether they wanted to leave the European community and the result was a majority vote of Yes..

On this subject the Politicians should have been listening very carefully..;)

[Norder]

The Orange Buffoon pulls the trigger, we have a nuclear powered sub with missiles locked and loaded on Tehran.

Where's the outrage?

....I think, there's too great a distance to those who hold the Power - perhaps becuase the People forget that it's they (so-called Leaders) who are working for us (The People), that we Trust them (too much) to do their best for Us - So then, why is it, those few who hold the Power...are those that cause the biggest headaches - even though the vast majority of Us , wherever we are, only want a peaceful life, as am sure - so do your regular Russian/Chinaman/American or Iranian etc - that just as we, they dont spend their days imagining ways annihilate others...just like we dont all flock cheering toward a Psychos corner...we distance oureslves from them, or them from us (behind bars) - So why such allegiance to these maniacal hate shaping "leaders" ?.....what hold do they have over us ? who do we think they are - all powerful divine beings ?!?.....well No, they're not - it's just a small Cabal of interconnected nutjobs, that realise...as long as they keep us down, under their thumb, and under their Rule, followers of mind numbing prattle and manufactured distraction - the more free they are to advance themselves and their agenda....even if, that means to the destruction of X billions of us......so yeah, where is the outrage !

[1959_60]

In a poll in England the people were asked whether they wanted to leave the European community and the result was a majority vote of Yes..

On this subject the Politicians should have been listening very carefully..;)

Let's not go there eh, Alf? >;)

[alfinyalcabo]

Let's not go there eh, Alf? >;)


Where into Europe? Haha....There might be no Europe to go into 59/60 when the Mussies start bombing..

[sinkov]

The Orange Buffoon pulls the trigger, we have a nuclear powered sub with missiles locked and loaded on Tehran.

Where's the outrage?

I haven't checked the Grauniad recently, but I would imagine their's a fair amount of foam-flecked outrage there. But I could be wrong.

[sinkov]

The US is now a rogue state and we will be right by their side as we desperately try to reach a trade deal with them.


I could have sworn you lefties have been calling the USA a 'rogue state' since I was in short pants, but I could be wrong.

[sinkov]

Terrifying really isn't it? :blue:

Nope.

[sinkov]

A full ranked General in the Iranian Army is a terrorist?

Yep, even according to the EU.

[sinkov]

,so Trump knows what he's doing winding the Muslims up by assassinating the General and how the Mussies will behave.. He's hoping for retaliation so he can bomb the Mussies as much as he wants.. Perhaps into oblivion ..

You're only half right Alfie, mon ami, I think you'll find that Sunni muslims the world over will be delighted that this murderous turd has been wiped off the face of the earth

[sinkov]

With Trump very obviously orchestrating conflict, possibly a large scale war, in that area then it's not looking good for us. If we are honest we would keep well clear but we will be fighting with the Yanks.
Also on board would be Israel ans Saudi. That sounds to me like the coalition of the devil.

On't tuther side will be Iran, Russia and China - which is not much better.

The EU countries will not get involved but economically we will be forced to.

With a nutter like Trump in charge he could quite easily decide to nuke Iran when they retaliate in the next few days.

At that point it's not worth considering the outcome...

Trump Derangement Syndrome. There is no known cure.

[sinkov]

in a poll in Germany the people were asked

Jesus wept.:O

[The Bedlington Terrier]

"A murderous turd" sinkov? I can think of quite a few of our global leaders who fit quite well into that description.

[Balanbam00]

Iran does not disclose how much it spends supporting foreign “resistance” organizations and clients such as Bashar al-Assad etc.
Tehran’s most expensive foreign commitment is supporting the Assad regime in Syria, which may cost $15 billion per year or more.
Iran extended a $1 billion line of credit to Syria in 2017, on top of the $5.6 billion it provided previously. The greatest cost, but also the hardest to estimate, is the deployment of troops to protect Assad, including thousands of its Revolutionary Guard and roughly 20,000 Shiite militiamen from across the region. This does not include the cost of oil and weapons.

Iranian regime deprives its own citizens to fund terrorism and atrocities.
$100 million for Hamas & Palestinian Islamic Jihad
$150 mill,for funding Pro -Iranian militias in Iraq.
$ 700-$800 million p year to bankroll Hezbullah

Iran also supports the Houthi rebels in Yemen. In 2015, Secretary of State John Kerry said Iran dispatched multiple planeloads of assistance to the Houthis each week. This year, the U.S. confirmed that Iranian support includes ballistic missiles. The value of such support may be anywhere from several million dollars per years to tens of millions.

But this is not terrorism it is Social Assistance!! ;-) ;-)

[The Bedlington Terrier]

All I know Balan is this lot are no soft touch like the Iraqis.

They are well equipped military wise, a population of 80 million with friends across the globe.

Trump would be well advised to return his Dogs of War, fairly rapidly I would suggest.

[Balanbam00]

Trump would be well advised to return his Dogs of War, fairly rapidly I would suggest.

......and return the situation ,as it was! Of course Iran would still give support to Hamas ,Hezbullah, the Houthis in the Yemen,but with an air of confidence about them,rather an extreme 'cockiness'. With now no consideration of what anybody can do now, to stop them ! The Houthis would take the port of Hodeidah on the Red sea,with Iran's support, and Iran with it's proxy ,the rebel Houthis,would have control of the Red Sea. That's Britain's shipping lane to India - closed?
What could Britain do?
Iran, Syria and Turkey could form an alliance and block the gas directed to Europe,from Israel's Leviathan Gas field.Would that make Europe dependant on gas from Russia ? Russia would like that. It already has a foot inside Syria and Turkey.
Then at some point would some rebel group hit the Saudi Oil fields? Not Iran of course, just one of it's proxy groups ,one of its neighbours!!

....and those mad Dogs of War ,well,best to let them keep barking.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The twin evils of oil and greed ride once again Balan.

[Balanbam00]

Dear Friends,
Many of you have asked me what the deal is with the Soleimani funerals... so I am sharing my information as an Iranian American journalist who is following this story closely. Please DO NOT believe the U.S. or Iranian regime media hype regarding the Soleimani funeral in Iran!

Journalists and bloggers in Iran that I am in contact with have indicating to me today that people in Iran have been forced to attend his public funeral by the regime thugs or face imprisonment or even possibly being killed. Iranians in Iran fear for their lives that is why they have come out to the streets to "mourn". The regime has shut down schools, forced businesses to shut down and shut down public offices for this charade funeral! Children have been forced to cry for the TV cameras. It's a big show and a big production the Iranian regime has undertaken to show they are in control and the people of Iran supposedly "loved Soleimani". The regime has bussed in Shiite supporters and their family members from Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria for this big production... so the crowds will look large for the cameras.

The majority of people in Iran are quite happy this man who murdered innocent Iranians recently during the protests is dead. They are privately dancing and celebrating in their homes at the news of his demise. They are sadly under major duress from the regime and forced to come out for the funeral or face dire consequences!

This is like any other major funeral in a brutal totalitarian dictatorship... remember Kim Jong Il's funeral in North Korea several years ago?! SAME DEAL here in Iran! The Iranian regime's thugs are masters of propaganda that make the notorious Goebbels look like a kindergartner!......(James D Cass)

[The Bedlington Terrier]

If I ever require a "Propaganda Minister" Balan, you will definitely be my "Go To Guy"!

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The same bloody Ayatollah is here too Balan..!

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[ClaretinBudapest]

The United States has been at war in 37 countries since 1945. 20-30 million people died in these wars.

In Iraq alone, a million people died.

More than two million in Cambodia. In Vietnam, 3-7 million.

200,000 in Guatemala.

The 20-30 million dead in the seventy years mean 1000 dead a day.

Terrorists kill about five thousand people every year. In other words, more people die each week in a war in which the US is or has been involved than the number of terrorists killed in one year.

The US has more than 800 military bases abroad.

In Germany alone there are 174 of them. Italy 50. Japan 113. South Korea 83. Romania 5.

[sinkov]

"The US has more than 800 military bases abroad.

In Germany alone there are 174 of them."

I wouldn't know, I've never counted them, but this is what Wiki says.

"The United States Army has approximately 36 military bases in Germany. Over 200 others were closed, mostly following the end of the Cold War in the early 1990s."

[Balanbam00]

Everything changes ! I used to work for the U S Army in Dachau,( about 14 km N. W. from Munich ) Then it was called camp Dachau ,later changed to Eastman Camp. I never saw any tanks or military weapons. I worked repairing film projectors. At that time they employed many foreign workers ( Gastarbeiter ) mostly Turks,as welders ,mechanics,etc. American soldiers were stationed here until 1973. The army garrison was then turned over to the Bavarian government and many of the buildings were torn down between 1978 and 1984.
https://i.postimg.cc/m2prd1Dk/USA-Army-work-196720112016.jpg (https://postimg.cc/LnfR5XjF)cute names that start with m (https://treetop100babynames.com/exotic-baby-names-boys)

[sinkov]

WW3 is a real possibility and we should have no part in it.



Has it started yet ? Wake me up when it does. :zzz:

[1959_60]

Has it started yet ? Wake me up when it does. :zzz:

There is obviously a lot of industrial scale diplomacy going on Sinkov.

Let's hope it is successful, eh?

[sinkov]

There is obviously a lot of industrial scale diplomacy going on Sinkov.

Let's hope it is successful, eh?

Indeed 59, I read somewhere that there is a diplomatic channel open between Washington and Tehran, and not long after the termination of Soleimani, Washington sent a message saying 'keep your response proportional'. The US obviously knew there'd be a response and it seems last nights missile strikes were fully expected and judged a proportional response. Hopefully things will settle down now and normal business will be resumed, although it must give the Mullahs pause for thought. Previously they've sheltered behind Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis, the Assad regime, all the while feigning innocence, 'not me guv'. All very cosy in Tehran as the **** hits the fan in Syria, in Lebanon, in Saudi Arabia, in Israel.

But not any longer, Trump has indicated that Iran is now to be held responsible, and will be accountable like General Soleimani, not their proxies, football's coming home, does Iran really want to play this game on their own ground ?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

A US made jetliner gets shot down the day after exiting Tehran with 180 souls lost.

Where's the outrage?

[Balanbam00]

News from yesterday says ......



The initial assessment of Western intelligence agencies is that a Ukrainian airliner which crashed in Iran on Wednesday was not brought down by a missile, said a Canadian security source.
The source, who declined to be identified, said the agencies believed the Boeing 737 plane had suffered a technical malfunction. The Ukraine International Airline jet crashed shortly after takeoff from Tehran, killing all 176 people on board.

[Balanbam00]

But today's Telegraph

Tehran under pressure to explain plane crash as 176 killed in Ukrainian jet disaster.

Ali Abedzadeh, the head of the Iranian civil aviation authority, said the government would not hand over the black boxes to Boeing, a US company, and that it was unclear which country would be asked to analyse them.....oh oh !

[sinkov]

I saw the footage from Iran early yesterday morning, I'm no air-crash investigation expert, but my immediate thought was that this wasn't some sort of catastrophic engine failure, there were bits of wreckage strewn over a large area, it looked very much to me like an aircraft that had been shot out of the sky, or blown up. But what do I know, all will be revealed eventually......won't it ?

[sinkov]

A US made jetliner gets shot down the day after exiting Tehran with 180 souls lost.

Where's the outrage?

Are you on outrage watch this week BT ?

What should be causing you outrage mon ami, is the lamentable quality of the candidates to be next Labour leader, what a sorry bunch of mediocrities and second-raters they are, and that's being extraordinarily kind to some of them. Boris and Dom must be rubbing their hands with glee, five more years indeed.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Are you on outrage watch this week BT ?

What should be causing you outrage mon ami, is the lamentable quality of the candidates to be next Labour leader, what a sorry bunch of mediocrities and second-raters they are, and that's being extraordinarily kind to some of them. Boris and Dom must be rubbing their hands with glee, five more years indeed.

The Labour Party are old news to me sinkov.

In CLP meetings across the North West pre-election I pleaded with them to see sense. You simply could not expect to get re-elected in a "safe" Labour seat if you ignored the wishes of 65% of your potential voters.

Did the listen? Did they phook. The pigeons are now firmly home to roost and Johnson has already realised he does not even need to bother turning up for work to defeat the so-called opposition.

He can sleep through the next five years and no-one will dare bother him...

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[outwoodclaret]

No doubt the Iranian Ministry of Truth will swiftly identify enemies of the Islamic Republic as the real culprits behind this disaster.

[Norder]

.


No doubt the Iranian Ministry of Truth will swiftly identify enemies of the Islamic Republic as the real culprits behind this disaster.

quite so outwood - who to trust.

The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950′s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister.

The British government admits that – between 1946 and 1948 – it bombed 5 ships carrying Jews attempting to flee the Holocaust to seek safety in Palestine, set up a fake group called “Defenders of Arab Palestine”, and then had the psuedo-group falsely claim responsibility for the bombings

The German government admitted (and see this) that, in 1978, the German secret service detonated a bomb in the outer wall of a prison and planted “escape tools” on a prisoner – a member of the Red Army Faction – which the secret service wished to frame the bombing on.

An Algerian diplomat and several officers in the Algerian army admit that, in the 1990s, the Algerian army frequently massacred Algerian civilians and then blamed Islamic militants for the killings

Senior Russian Senior military and intelligence officers admit that the KGB blew up Russian apartment buildings in 1999 and falsely blamed it on Chechens, in order to justify an invasion of Chechnya


see here - https://www.globalresearch.ca/53-admitted-false-flag-attacks/5432931....fo more (known) covert ops, designed to deceive.


:mad:

..

;D

[sinkov]

Previously they've sheltered behind Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis, the Assad regime, all the while feigning innocence, 'not me guv'. All very cosy in Tehran as the **** hits the fan in Syria, in Lebanon, in Saudi Arabia, in Israel.

Now the **** hits the fan in Tehran, as they shoot down a civilian aircraft, all the world knows what's happened, but what do they say....'not me guv'. They're nothing if not predictable, the Mad Mullahs of Tehran.

[Balanbam00]

So the USA has taken out Soleimani in keeping with its principles of putting pressure on Iran.But there is still terrorism in the Middle East,will we see yet another disappearance ?Although he hides in deep underground bunkers ,the next to go could be Hassan Nasrallah he is the third and current Secretary General of the Lebanese political and paramilitary party Hezbollah ? Iran has warned Hezbollah terror chief Hassan Nasrallah that he could be the next target of the United States. ( You heard it here first, before you read it on Alfi's all-knowing notice board ).

[The Bedlington Terrier]

So the USA has taken out Soleimani in keeping with its principles of putting pressure on Iran.But there is still terrorism in the Middle East,will we see yet another disappearance ?Although he hides in deep underground bunkers ,the next to go could be Hassan Nasrallah he is the third and current Secretary General of the Lebanese political and paramilitary party Hezbollah ? Iran has warned Hezbollah terror chief Hassan Nasrallah that he could be the next target of the United States. ( You heard it here first, before you read it on Alfi's all-knowing notice board ).

I'm amazed your lot have not yet used Tehran as target practice for your hoard of short range nuclear missiles Balan.

[sinkov]

Now the **** hits the fan in Tehran, as they shoot down a civilian aircraft, all the world knows what's happened, but what do they say....'not me guv'. They're nothing if not predictable, the Mad Mullahs of Tehran.

They've owned up now, their denials were almost as ludicrous as Chemical Ali telling a TV crew they were winning the war, while behind him US tanks were rumbling in the distance.

[sinkov]

All I know Balan is this lot are no soft touch like the Iraqis.

They are well equipped military wise, a population of 80 million with friends across the globe.

Trump would be well advised to return his Dogs of War, fairly rapidly I would suggest.

A couple of dozen missiles fired in the vague direction of the US military, no one harmed, 50 dead at Soleimani's funeral, a Ukrainian civilian airliner shot down. And this was supposed to be the start of WW3. I don't think Trump's Dogs of War will be quivering in their kennels.

[outwoodclaret]

I was a little surprised Iran admitted their guilt so quickly. They obviously do not have the expertise of the Russians in lying so blatantly about shooting down airliners. I hope this is followed not only by justice for the victims and their families but by considered reflection in both Washington & Tehran of the dangers of sabre rattling and hostile acts.

[ClaretinBudapest]

I was a little surprised Iran admitted their guilt so quickly. They obviously do not have the expertise of the Russians in lying so blatantly about shooting down airliners. I hope this is followed not only by justice for the victims and their families but by considered reflection in both Washington & Tehran of the dangers of sabre rattling and hostile acts.

I think you will find if you dig deep that the West is more to blame than the Russians for shooting down airliners in the Ukraine outwoodclaret :-

https://www.globalresearch.ca/latest-mh17-documentary-sbu-whistleblower-shares-some-shocking-truths/5699610

Dont believe everything the MSM tell you.

[outwoodclaret]

I think you will find if you dig deep that the West is more to blame than the Russians for shooting down airliners in the Ukraine outwoodclaret :-

https://www.globalresearch.ca/latest-mh17-documentary-sbu-whistleblower-shares-some-shocking-truths/5699610

Dont believe everything the MSM tell you.


I must take that as a little light reading on my next vacation in Salisbury. It has a wonderful clock you know!

[The Bedlington Terrier]

A couple of dozen missiles fired in the vague direction of the US military, no one harmed, 50 dead at Soleimani's funeral, a Ukrainian civilian airliner shot down. And this was supposed to be the start of WW3. I don't think Trump's Dogs of War will be quivering in their kennels.

Trump has enough Dogs of War located in Israel sinkov. If he unleashes them, God help us all.

[ClaretinBudapest]

"The US has more than 800 military bases abroad.

In Germany alone there are 174 of them."

I wouldn't know, I've never counted them, but this is what Wiki says.

"The United States Army has approximately 36 military bases in Germany. Over 200 others were closed, mostly following the end of the Cold War in the early 1990s."

Not to be outdone Sinkov, I have done a bit of digging and it turns out the good ole USA has around 800 ( yes 800! ) military bases around the world.All the other countries combined have around 30.So who is the terrorist and who is seeking world domination?

https://www.vox.com/2015/5/18/8600659/military-bases-united-states

[sinkov]

Trump has enough Dogs of War located in Israel sinkov. If he unleashes them, God help us all.

As Iran's number one Dog of War has been eliminated, and Iran is fully aware that they're in the firing line now, not their proxies, just maybe the region might calm down a little in the immediate future. No more attacks on the Saudi oilfields, no more attacks on shipping in the Straits of Hormuz, Hamas discouraged from indiscriminate missile attacks on Israel, no more US drones shot down, no more attacks on the US Embassy etc. Or maybe not, who knows, up to Iran.

[sinkov]

Not to be outdone Sinkov, I have done a bit of digging and it turns out the good ole USA has around 800 ( yes 800! ) military bases around the world.All the other countries combined have around 30.So who is the terrorist and who is seeking world domination?

https://www.vox.com/2015/5/18/8600659/military-bases-united-states

I'm not really interested CiB, if those figures are correct then fair enough, So how many are there in Germany ? The only other country I looked at out of interest was Italy, can't remember the numbers but there were a lot of them there, when I had a look at the list the vast majority were radar posts, communications centres, that sort of thing, not really military bases at all. And then I lost interest, but if the Yanks really are seeking world domination through numerous military bases, then all I can say is good luck with that idea, Trump is even more stupid than even his worst enemies claim he is.

[Balanbam00]

Report: Israeli intel helped U.S. assassinate Soleimani
NBC News says Jerusalem 'helped confirm the details' of Iran's general secret flight from Damascus to Baghdad, where his vehicle was struck by drones upon arrival.
Israeli intelligence was used by the United States in a mission to assassinate a top Iranian general, NBC News reported Sunday.
GOC Southern Command Maj. Gen. Herzi Halevi last Monday distanced Israel from the killing of the general, saying Israelis “are not the story here.”

[ClaretinBudapest]

Report: Israeli intel helped U.S. assassinate Soleimani
NBC News says Jerusalem 'helped confirm the details' of Iran's general secret flight from Damascus to Baghdad, where his vehicle was struck by drones upon arrival.
Israeli intelligence was used by the United States in a mission to assassinate a top Iranian general, NBC News reported Sunday.
GOC Southern Command Maj. Gen. Herzi Halevi last Monday distanced Israel from the killing of the general, saying Israelis “are not the story here.”

Of course they were involved Balam.They literally direct US foreign policy in that region.What nobody is saying is why Soleimani was in Iraq.He was meeting the Saudis with the Iraqi`s as mediators to come to a peace agreement which was also known to all parties incl. Israel and the US.
Neither Israel and therefore the US want peace-they want regime change in Iran and at any cost.

[sinkov]

Of course they were involved Balam.They literally direct US foreign policy in that region.What nobody is saying is why Soleimani was in Iraq.He was meeting the Saudis with the Iraqi`s as mediators to come to a peace agreement which was also known to all parties incl. Israel and the US.


Hmmm, after spending a lifetime opposing the Saudis, and not long after co-ordinating the destruction of the Saudi oilfields, the good General was in Iraq to facilitate a peace agreement between the Sunni Saudi Arabian regime and the Shia Iranian regime. Well maybe, but this sounds about as credible as the Iranian denials of culpability for shooting down that civilian plane were.

But no matter, if a peace deal between these two diametrically opposed Middle Eastern superpowers is indeed in the pipeline, then the death of one individual will not prove an impediment. I await with interest news of the next development in the progress of this peace deal, but I think it will be wise of me not to hold my breath.

[Balanbam00]

I do not believe the Iranian General Soleimani was there seeking a peace deal!

This General directs the war machine,if you seek peace, then first some messenger followed by some high ranking member of Parliament would visit also if its peace ,that's big headlines!. Abu Mahdi Muhandis, is deputy head of Iraq's Popular Mobilisation Forces (PMF), the Iraqi government's umbrella group for the country's militias. Soleimani is there to boost Iran's strategic military importance. Iran uses its proxy's like Hamas ,Hezbullah and the Houthis to fight its wars. Inside Iraq are Shiite militias it was Soleimani's plan to use them.
Also killed was the man who met him at the airport: Abu Mahdi Muhandis, deputy head of Iraq's Popular Mobilisation Forces (PMF), the Iraqi government's umbrella group for the country's militias. It was Soleimani's goal to rid Iraq of Americans, how to fight,how Iran could support them,what weapons he would send them etc etc. News straight from Iran's top dog! His goal was to meet and know what the Shiites militias there have,to plan and defeat the Americans there in Iraq! He had to go himself and not send some other 2nd rate messenger

[Balanbam00]

CiB:.....''They literally direct US foreign policy in that region.'' (the Israelis )

Israel has it's spy's ,its satellites ,and any other form of information.What is in Israels interest it would hand to the Americans.It has nothing to do with American foreign policy,it may be debated what we would like,but that is up to Trump and Co.

[Balanbam00]

CiB: .....Neither Israel and therefore the US want peace-they want regime change in Iran and at any cost.

Have you any idea what a glorious place Israel would be without the war? Of course they want peace! But who would be a partner for peace? Hamas ,Hezbullah, Fatah (or P A ) ,Islamic Jihad,and at present Iran or Syria? Then how much is spent on the war machine??

[Balanbam00]

.....they want regime change in Iran and at any cost.

Even if they did want a regime change how would they do it? It is only the people of Iran that can change any regime!

[sinkov]

I've read various reason put up by various experts for Trump taking out Soleimani at that precise moment Balan, and the one that seems most likely to me is this one.

Trump had been tweeting about the attacks on the US Embassy and Khamenei tweeted about Trump,

"That guy has tweeted that we see Iran responsible for the events in Baghdad & we will respond to Iran.
1st: You can’t do anything."

The Donald's reaction to that was basically 'Can't I, we'll see'. He then instructed the military to inform him when the next window of opportunity to take him out arrived, which it did not long after, and the Donald gave them the green light. No strategy or long term plan, the Donald just got into a strop over a tweet, far more plausible than any stories about imminent attacks on US troops or a peace deal with the Saudis imo.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

That's how the Orange Buffoon rolls sinkov...

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[sinkov]

He's a very lucky boy BT, you can get away with being a buffoon when your opponents are even bigger buffoons. Quite possibly all accidental, but he's won this one hands down. For the moment anyway, but what can Iran do now that won't make the Mad Mullahs look even bigger buffoons than they clearly are ?

[Balanbam00]

Sinkov: It is all speculation! Yes, the Americans took him out. But what answers do we have,why did Soleimani meet with Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, the deputy head of the Iran-backed Hashd al-Shaabi Iraqi militia? ( Shiite militias?) In Baghdad? There has to be a reason. Why would Soleimani take a flight to Baghdad,from Damascus ,and not to his home in Tehran? If his business was finished in Damascus? Perhaps he would fly home? But Soleimani is the top dog, what is his interest? To create terrorism in the Middle East. Then why was everything done in secrecy? His name was missing on the list together with his personal ( body guards etc?) They did not go through customs or the correct exit at the airport.They went out as it were out of the back door! He must have been meeting to discuss the support to this new 'proxy group',under Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis.In fact he met with al-Muhandis,both were killed.
Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis,in December was at the funeral of members of the Hashd al-Shaabi paramilitary group killed in a US air strike. Soleimani was there to see for himself ,what al-Muhandis Shiite group needed, and any future plans etc etc ....then to attack American bases. If he sent some other 2-3 rate General,and it failed ? Then Soleimani could be blamed!!! As you say yourself '' not me guv,we the Iranians,are not involved!!'' That's why it was done in top secrecy! That is why it is said in Iran ,he is No 2, after Hassan Rouhani.

Also yesterday four members of Iraq's military were wounded Sunday in a rocket attack targeting an airbase just north of Baghdad where American trainers are present.
Seven mortar shells hit the Iraqi Balad military base north of Baghdad according to military sources

[sinkov]

I'm sure he was there to discuss attacks on US bases Balan, that's what he does, that's his job, whether the attacks were imminent or not who knows, and is irrelevant really.