We've been too slow

[WBA123]

Reacting to this pandemic.

All the signs suggest that in two weeks, we will be where Italy are.

People were flying into London from Italy and China without checks at the start of March. The Cheltenham festival, theatre shows and other large concerts were still going ahead only last weekend. The slower response to close bars and restaurants compared to other European countries. The fact we are still not locked down.

I don't doubt that these are hard decisions to make. But we'll look back on them in some months and ask if they were done at the right time. Thousands of lives have been put at risk because of this delay.

[baggieal]

Reacting to this pandemic.

All the signs suggest that in two weeks, we will be where Italy are.

People were flying into London from Italy and China without checks at the start of March. The Cheltenham festival, theatre shows and other large concerts were still going ahead only last weekend. The slower response to close bars and restaurants compared to other European countries. The fact we are still not locked down.

I don't doubt that these are hard decisions to make. But we'll look back on them in some months and ask if they were done at the right time. Thousands of lives have been put at risk because of this delay.


I rarely agree with you but on this occasion 100% agree with you!!! Borders wide open - urging people to do something is a waste of time - u turns on communications. Boris needs to look to China and think - why the f ook are there not many deaths now!!!! Even with pubs and restaurants closing - it should have been immediate and how many youngsters went out on Friday night to get pissed!!

Next there will be a lock down which should have happened weeks ago!!! Not impressed with all this dithering.

I do know the army and reservists are ready to be mobilised as have family in the services!

[TipperaryBaggie]

Do you really believe the information coming out of China?

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

Reacting to this pandemic.

All the signs suggest that in two weeks, we will be where Italy are.

People were flying into London from Italy and China without checks at the start of March. The Cheltenham festival, theatre shows and other large concerts were still going ahead only last weekend. The slower response to close bars and restaurants compared to other European countries. The fact we are still not locked down.

I don't doubt that these are hard decisions to make. But we'll look back on them in some months and ask if they were done at the right time. Thousands of lives have been put at risk because of this delay.

You said this 4 days ago (been meaning to say well done for such asensible post)

"I think the reaction from them was slow initially, but now I'm happy to give them the benefit of the doubt given this is an unprecedented situation. I really do hope they make the correct decisions from herein, having said that I am no expert on this - so I don't know what those decisions are or where this pandemic will take us."

So have you become an expert in those days?

I can only assume the Govt are doing what the medical and scientific experts are telling them to do. They must have confidence in their 'different' approach because if they have got it badly wrong and the UK cops for it worse than our neighbours they will never be forgiven.

[baggieal]

Do you really believe the information coming out of China?


Thing is Chinese people do as they are told. British people are the most disrespectful and cretinous in most countries - thousands still went out in groups on that Friday night - Brits in Benidorm on the news for raiding supermarkets full of booze and drinking in groups and now some pubs have defied the law in Scotland and stayed open even now!!

Anybody who defies the law - take their license away for ever- ****in morons!

Sad the army have been brought on the verge of mobilisation and know that from a family member!! So many selfish
morons around!!!

Boris - you need to get tougher!!!!

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

Thing is Chinese people do as they are told. British people are the most disrespectful and cretinous in most countries - thousands still went out in groups on that Friday night - Brits in Benidorm on the news for raiding supermarkets full of booze and drinking in groups and now some pubs have defied the law in Scotland and stayed open even now!!

Anybody who defies the law - take their license away for ever- ****in morons!

Sad the army have been brought on the verge of mobilisation and know that from a family member!! So many selfish
morons around!!!

Boris - you need to get tougher!!!!

The Chinese have no choice but to do what they are told. Their govt sent out a text message and it was received by everyone because in China the govt has access to EVERY phone.

The British are some of the most law abiding folk in Europe. Doesn't mean to say we haven't got our share of idiots.

[goodlordmurphy]

You will always find a few but for years now we have been generally an unruly mob of pissheads, everywhere you go to the Brits the main ingredient is BOOZE and more BOOZE...I feckin hate them.

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

You will always find a few but for years now we have been generally an unruly mob of pissheads, everywhere you go to the Brits the main ingredient is BOOZE and more BOOZE...I feckin hate them.

'Generally an unruly mob of pissheads' I don't think that description fits us 'generally' can't remember the last time I saw such a mob.Just like in all aspects in life just the few spoiling it for the many.

[WBA123]

You said this 4 days ago (been meaning to say well done for such asensible post)

"I think the reaction from them was slow initially, but now I'm happy to give them the benefit of the doubt given this is an unprecedented situation. I really do hope they make the correct decisions from herein, having said that I am no expert on this - so I don't know what those decisions are or where this pandemic will take us."

So have you become an expert in those days?

I can only assume the Govt are doing what the medical and scientific experts are telling them to do. They must have confidence in their 'different' approach because if they have got it badly wrong and the UK cops for it worse than our neighbours they will never be forgiven.

Nope, still no expert.

The only thing that has changed in the last four days is seeing some recent data about how our confirmed cases and deaths are mirroring the trajectory of Italy's as of 2 weeks ago. I had originally suspected that we had been too slow to react, but those figures confirm we are on a similar path.

Having said all of that, I still hope that we make the right decisions going forwards. I really want Boris and his advisers to get this right. And in time, we can then look back and judge whether we have been correctly guided or not.

[mickd1961]

You will always find a few but for years now we have been generally an unruly mob of pissheads, everywhere you go to the Brits the main ingredient is BOOZE and more BOOZE...I feckin hate them.

I couldn’t agree more.

We have a massive “Chav” type lowlife amongst our society and a “me,me,me” generation of under 40’s especially.

The government have been slower than they could’ve been but in truth......EVERY economy is worried it’ll kick down first and so they hold off.

I make my own mind up......I went into isolation 10 days ago and have been in 99% lockdown.

You don’t need a government to flick a switch in your own head.

[kettering_baggie]

Booze and bog rolls!

I’m not a fan of Boris generally but I cannot criticise him now; surely he is just trying to follow medical and scientific advice. The point of the current strategy is to flatten out the possible peak of cases. If the plan doesn’t work it won’t necessarily be the government’s fault but those people who have ignored the advice. Also, I don’t want to live in a country like China and I don’t believe a word their government says.

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

Nope, still no expert.

The only thing that has changed in the last four days is seeing some recent data about how our confirmed cases and deaths are mirroring the trajectory of Italy's as of 2 weeks ago. I had originally suspected that we had been too slow to react, but those figures confirm we are on a similar path.

Having said all of that, I still hope that we make the right decisions going forwards. I really want Boris and his advisers to get this right. And in time, we can then look back and judge whether we have been correctly guided or not.

Make your mind up.

Are you in the definitive 'we've been too slow' as per this thread or the 'we can then look back and judge whether we have been correctly guided or not' as per your last post?.

[WBA123]

Make your mind up.

Are you in the definitive 'we've been too slow' as per this thread or the 'we can then look back and judge whether we have been correctly guided or not' as per your last post?.

A few days ago, I suspected we had been too slow to react. Now that suspicion has gained even further traction looking at the recent daily figures and situation in Italy. But I could be wrong.

I've always been of the view that we have to give the Government the benefit of the doubt to make decisions on our behalf throughout this crisis, and look back in the future and judge them then. To be honest, I'm no expert on whether we should have adopted this 'herd immunity' approach, which we initially did. It will all come out in the wash at some point. I just want them to make the correct decisions and prevent unnecessary deaths, but I'm not sure if we are going to know this until some time in the future...

My initial thinking, is that we have been too slow to react.

[kettering_baggie]

The government is following advice from scientists and medical experts, I assume that you don’t know better than they do, so no point in being critical of them. I am sure the government and those experts are doing their best, let’s all applaud their efforts and refrain from knocking them.

[baggieal]

The government is following advice from scientists and medical experts, I assume that you don’t know better than they do, so no point in being critical of them. I am sure the government and those experts are doing their best, let’s all applaud their efforts and refrain from knocking them.



Afternoon Ketts - get what you are saying but we are dealing with the British Public who are mostly compared to other countries - disrespectful - morons and yob culture.

Urging people to not use pubs or restaurants was only ever going to work for non idiots! Even this weekend a couple of pubs were open in Scotland!

Social distancing - it’s never going to work unless there’s a full lockdown! Even this weekend people were strolling around like it was a bank holiday and groups of lads playing full blown football games!

I like Boris but f ooking needs to be tougher. Close the lot down as it should have been weeks ago!! Why take all these risks??? Some people really need to wake up!!

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

Afternoon Ketts - get what you are saying but we are dealing with the British Public who are mostly compared to other countries - disrespectful - morons and yob culture.

Urging people to not use pubs or restaurants was only ever going to work for non idiots! Even this weekend a couple of pubs were open in Scotland!

Social distancing - it’s never going to work unless there’s a full lockdown! Even this weekend people were strolling around like it was a bank holiday and groups of lads playing full blown football games!

I like Boris but f ooking needs to be tougher. Close the lot down as it should have been weeks ago!! Why take all these risks??? Some people really need to wake up!!

Why do you believe that 'mostly compared to other countries - disrespectful - morons and yob culture' us Brits are so much worse.

On the day Macron announced France was going into total lockdown the next day 3500 gathered to break the world record for the most number of people dressed as Smurfs. And you think we are the only idiots!

[mickd1961]

Why do you believe that 'mostly compared to other countries - disrespectful - morons and yob culture' us Brits are so much worse.

On the day Macron announced France was going into total lockdown the next day 3500 gathered to break the world record for the most number of people dressed as Smurfs. And you think we are the only idiots!

I’m with Al.......we have a massive “CHAV” class underbelly in this country.

I have a daughter who specialises in hooking up with this sort of bloke!

The crowd scenes at Stourbridge Tesco yesterday underlined this......hundreds of fat,scruffy,tattooed morons and the blokes were no better.

Pushing and shoving and shouting obscenities with trolleys bursting with non essential items.


If you live in some tranquil spot unaffected by this mentality of “Houseplant” then good for you but it’s the norm around this way.

[baggieal]

Why do you believe that 'mostly compared to other countries - disrespectful - morons and yob culture' us Brits are so much worse.

On the day Macron announced France was going into total lockdown the next day 3500 gathered to break the world record for the most number of people dressed as Smurfs. And you think we are the only idiots!


Evening 9goals! Not every individual fits into this bracket but the old saying is so true - you can easily spot the Brits overseas!!! I hope those individuals who defied the government and kept pubs open this weekend lose their licenses for good!!!

The only way to get infections down now is to enforce a lockdown!! Sad as I don’t want it but I do know many elderly who are really sweet. I want them to live!!

The selfish *******s who are not listening - well it would be different if their family members were in ICU dying and then put in a wooden box without even so much as a goodbye!

Go on Boris - shut everything down for ****sake!! Any frontline NHS workers will tel you that as know a few around us

[TipperaryBaggie]

A very difficult situation for the government over this virus. Faith was put in the country to heed the warnings that the government were outlining but, unfortunately, some of the public are ignoring the advice so we now all accept that a lockdown is probably the only option available to the government now.

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

I’m with Al.......we have a massive “CHAV” class underbelly in this country.

I have a daughter who specialises in hooking up with this sort of bloke!

The crowd scenes at Stourbridge Tesco yesterday underlined this......hundreds of fat,scruffy,tattooed morons and the blokes were no better.

Pushing and shoving and shouting obscenities with trolleys bursting with non essential items.


If you live in some tranquil spot unaffected by this mentality of “Houseplant” then good for you but it’s the norm around this way.

Don't disagree we have our share of chavs there was one behind me the supermarket today. But I've spent a lot of time pretty much living in 3 of our neighbouring countries and they too have similar problems. Without a doubt scariest place I've been for a train ride is Naples. More ner do wells than I have ever seen in a small space.

btw what is a Houseplant metality?

[mickd1961]

Don't disagree we have our share of chavs there was one behind me the supermarket today. But I've spent a lot of time pretty much living in 3 of our neighbouring countries and they too have similar problems. Without a doubt scariest place I've been for a train ride is Naples. More ner do wells than I have ever seen in a small space.

btw what is a Houseplant metality?

A houseplant hasn’t got a brain.

I’m surprised you haven’t heard the term previously.

[goodlordmurphy]

[QUOTE=9goals2hattricks3pen;39462887]Don't disagree we have our share of chavs there was one behind me the supermarket today. But I've spent a lot of time pretty much living in 3 of our neighbouring countries and they too have similar problems. Without a doubt scariest place I've been for a train ride is Naples. More ner do wells than I have ever seen in a small space.

btw what is a Houseplant metality?[/QUOTE[/I]

I have a Sicilian life long friend who always maintained that the schithole of Italy is Naples.

[westcountryvillain]

Hindsight's a wonderful thing - Boris has followed the advice of the scientists and medics, no-one can trust what China says & Trump is a chest beating fool. The exponential rate of deaths in Italy obviously follows an incubation period and new evidence has come to light about viral load worsening your chances of serious illness (this is why young healthy individuals working in hospitals are falling ill).

My big fear is London will be our Bergamo, packed tube trains and station platforms then off to Snowdon, Cornwall etc to spread it far and wide.

Boris the PM, leader of the land, gave us advice on social distancing, many chose to ignore it and as Mick has said - you don't need a govt to flick a switch in your head. Should he have gone harder sooner - history will say yes, take no chances, I fear it's now too late.

I live in the Westcountry, rural Wiltshire to be precise - plenty of well educated parents let their ****age kids attend a party at the weekend, only 1 parent stopped her son going. I have 2 children - they haven't been anywhere but the small park up the road by themselves for half an hour.

As for the younger adults in their 20's and early 30's - I remember those days when we all thought we were immortal, they are now being judged but plenty of older folk fighting over bogroll all judge them and should look in the mirror.

I saw a scary stat about the rate of cases - 13 days for the first 100,000, then 6 days for the next then 4 days.......it even has the brainwashed religious leaders scared.

[baggieal]

Hindsight's a wonderful thing - Boris has followed the advice of the scientists and medics, no-one can trust what China says & Trump is a chest beating fool. The exponential rate of deaths in Italy obviously follows an incubation period and new evidence has come to light about viral load worsening your chances of serious illness (this is why young healthy individuals working in hospitals are falling ill).

My big fear is London will be our Bergamo, packed tube trains and station platforms then off to Snowdon, Cornwall etc to spread it far and wide.

Boris the PM, leader of the land, gave us advice on social distancing, many chose to ignore it and as Mick has said - you don't need a govt to flick a switch in your head. Should he have gone harder sooner - history will say yes, take no chances, I fear it's now too late.

I live in the Westcountry, rural Wiltshire to be precise - plenty of well educated parents let their ****age kids attend a party at the weekend, only 1 parent stopped her son going. I have 2 children - they haven't been anywhere but the small park up the road by themselves for half an hour.

As for the younger adults in their 20's and early 30's - I remember those days when we all thought we were immortal, they are now being judged but plenty of older folk fighting over bogroll all judge them and should look in the mirror.

I saw a scary stat about the rate of cases - 13 days for the first 100,000, then 6 days for the next then 4 days.......it even has the brainwashed religious leaders scared.



Good post WCV - was impressed with Boris last night as came cross as another Thatcher type person - strong and a real leader!
It makes you cry seeing people defiant of the lock down such as packed tubes - personally if they are not a key worker then they should be arrested and fined heavily.

I know NHS staff and now a family member in the Army all putting their lives at risk and they are sick to the back teeth of selfish morons who will increase the spread of this virus! W ankers I say to anyone not following latest advice!

[TipperaryBaggie]

A houseplant hasn’t got a brain.

I’m surprised you haven’t heard the term previously.

What about the Venus Flytrap? Now that's what I call a clever plant.