No football this year

[Returnofrros]

Or even next season it looks like to me after watching Sturgeons latest presser.

[Deeranged]

Certainly sounds that way doesn't it?

[Deeranged]

Anybody fancy organising a sweepie on first club to go to the wall?

[Returnofrros]

Anybody fancy organising a sweepie on first club to go to the wall?

All depends if furlough scheme continues whilst firms/clubs can't go about their business.....if it dosent I think they will all be in trouble.

[Mudskipper]

Furlough is to the end of June at the moment anyway ,if that is the case there will be casualties that’s for sure.
I’ve noticed a lot more traffic and people round me going about their business ,was always going to come down to an economic tipping point for some and in some cases you can’t blame them ,football at the minute is way down the government ‘s priorities.

[Returnofrros]

Furlough is to the end of June at the moment anyway ,if that is the case there will be casualties that’s for sure.
I’ve noticed a lot more traffic and people round me going about their business ,was always going to come down to an economic tipping point for some and in some cases you can’t blame them ,football at the minute is way down the government ‘s priorities.

Said that today 're a lot more folk about.

Scottish govt seem a wee bit behind public opinion on this.

May be able to keep large gatherings and pubs off the agenda for a while yet but they aint gonna be able to keep folk in to Xmas and beyond.

[islaydarkblue]

Yesterday I read that Scottish Football annually contributes £218 Million to the Scottish economy.

[Shuntz]

Apparently the sales of disinfectant. are going through the roof today

[shaded]

if you are on about what i think you are mate,then what an absolute stonker of a statement for someone with so much power to make.never mind the dettol, sunbeds will be flying off the shelves

[Shuntz]

Apparently carrying as many guns as possible , driving a pickup right up to hospitals and telling them to end social distancing and joining white power groups is equally effective in beating the commie virus.

[Returnofrros]

What's about to come in this country with tax grabs is far more worrying

[BCram]

What's about to come in this country with tax grabs is far more worrying

Think you are right. I would hope that there's a return to higher taxes that help to repay the debts built up, but do it gradually.

[Returnofrros]

Think you are right. I would hope that there's a return to higher taxes that help to repay the debts built up, but do it gradually.

They will go after property and savings as well as a large hike in income tax.

Pe sion tax relief will probably go, isa allowance slashed.

All to pay for the reckless shutdown of the economy.

[jdfc]

People are dying, yet we have some who look to find fault or misquote a man that runs a country thousands of miles away that has no bearings on how we live our lives, maybe having an honest and open president worries them, they seem to forget you need a majority to win so half America are stupid

[Mudskipper]

Problem with these tend to be that they stay in place I.e the VAT rise about a decade back from17.5% to 20% wasn’t this supposed to be a temporary situation....on another note my mate in Abu Dhabi says that Ramadan has kicked and it’s like a bank holiday weekend every fecking place is open,oh and the mad *******s out the backies at mine must have the biggest paddling pool ever and invited his whole extended family....

[Deeranged]

People are dying, yet we have some who look to find fault or misquote a man that runs a country thousands of miles away that has no bearings on how we live our lives, maybe having an honest and open president worries them, they seem to forget you need a majority to win so half America are stupid

You really think that what Trump does in America has no bearing on how we live our lives here?

I agree he has been misquoted or what he said has been exaggerated over the disinfectant thing but everything he says or does has a bearing on the imbecile we have in hiding pretending to be our Prime Minister.

If Trump says 'jump Boris' Boris says 'how high Mr. Trump'.

[noahrab]

You really think that what Trump does in America has no bearing on how we live our lives here?

I agree he has been misquoted or what he said has been exaggerated over the disinfectant thing but everything he says or does has a bearing on the imbecile we have in hiding pretending to be our Prime Minister.

If Trump says 'jump Boris' Boris says 'how high Mr. Trump'.

What utter shyte.

Imbecile, that’s your opinion.

We don’t follow everything Trump does.

How much are Americans getting paid while on furlough?

[noahrab]

People are dying, yet we have some who look to find fault or misquote a man that runs a country thousands of miles away that has no bearings on how we live our lives, maybe having an honest and open president worries them, they seem to forget you need a majority to win so half America are stupid

The mans a clown.

How many previous presidents would’ve said what he said yesterday?

[jdfc]

The mans a clown.

How many previous presidents would’ve said what he said yesterday?

I really think he was thinking out loud, what’s the harm in asking a question, maybe only intelligent people know he wasn’t advocating for people to inject themselves, but that would get in the way off a good story,

I don’t remember Trump being part of the NO campaign, but then again we didn’t need him to be

[Deeranged]

What utter shyte.

Imbecile, that’s your opinion.

We don’t follow everything Trump does.

How much are Americans getting paid while on furlough?

Shyte is your opinion.

Keep injecting the disinfectant.

[noahrab]

I really think he was thinking out loud, what’s the harm in asking a question, maybe only intelligent people know he wasn’t advocating for people to inject themselves, but that would get in the way off a good story,

I don’t remember Trump being part of the NO campaign, but then again we didn’t need him to be

To even say what he thought was phuckin dangerous. He’s a clown and the fact he gets voted in shows you how stupid the voting public of America are.

[noahrab]

Shyte is your opinion.

Keep injecting the disinfectant.

Aye, and it’s a popular opinion.

Why are nationalists full of hate?

[Shuntz]

Trump and Johnston

Leaders of the free world

Wish that was fake news

[Returnofrros]

Trump and Johnston

Leaders of the free world

Wish that was fake news

Western yes, free certainly not.

[Shuntz]

Fair point rros

[noahrab]

Western yes, free certainly not.

Don’t understand this. Everyone in the uk is free.

[Returnofrros]

Don’t understand this. Everyone in the uk is free.

We have more freedom than some other countries but we ain't really free.

[Deeranged]

Aye, and it’s a popular opinion.

Why are nationalists full of hate?

I'm a nationalist? Are you sure?

Or maybe I just think the Tories are a disgrace? Maybe I'm a communist or a socialist?

Honestly you have no idea of my politics, or even if I have any, so give me a break and never make any assumptions about me.



EVER

[noahrab]

I'm a nationalist? Are you sure?

Or maybe I just think the Tories are a disgrace? Maybe I'm a communist or a socialist?

Honestly you have no idea of my politics, or even if I have any, so give me a break and never make any assumptions about me.



EVER

I never said you were a nationalist.


Given your posting style it’s a fair assumption you’re a







Drama Queen.

[noahrab]

We have more freedom than some other countries but we ain't really free.

Who do we have less freedom than?

[Returnofrros]

Who do we have less freedom than?

Free folk but I don't think there's many, certainly no country I've visited.

[BCram]

Why don't we have Swedens approach to this plague? Genuine question.

[Returnofrros]

Why don't we have Swedens approach to this plague? Genuine question.

You mean a sensible balanced approach which protects the most vulnerable without shutting down the economy that will rob many of their futures.......nah too late, never catch on.

And there wouldnae be any nhs dance routines.

[Mudskipper]

You mean a sensible balanced approach which protects the most vulnerable without shutting down the economy that will rob many of their futures.......nah too late, never catch on.

And there wouldnae be any nhs dance routines.

Nailed it...the whole big up the NHS routine is getting old ,not a dig at doctors/nurses but celebs using the whole situation to self promote totally done with it.

The economy is a train wreck,I was just wondering the other day what the town will look like come opening time ,can honestly see half the pubs staying shut until a new proprietor comes in...the scale of this hasn’t hit yet on some people,I was speaking to a work colleague who’s brother has his own business and he said most good going concerns will very often have a medium/high cash flow if there lucky but can be cash poor ,so a month with no takings and it’s effectively all over....

[Shuntz]

The Swedish Deputy PM was on Marr show today and came over quite well

Don’t think there is one approach that would suit every country though

Population density , cuture and standard of heath care all had a bearing.

Country needs back to work though but not easy for any Govt

[BCram]

The Swedish Deputy PM was on Marr show today and came over quite well

Don’t think there is one approach that would suit every country though

Population density , cuture and standard of heath care all had a bearing.

Country needs back to work though but not easy for any Govt

Was thinking that maybe Scotland is different from London and maybe we, and possibly the rural parts of England might be able to get going sooner than the big metropolitan areas. Looks to me as though if we play the game with social isolation we might be able to work round this.

[Mudskipper]

Was thinking that maybe Scotland is different from London and maybe we, and possibly the rural parts of England might be able to get going sooner than the big metropolitan areas. Looks to me as though if we play the game with social isolation we might be able to work round this.

I think people are already making that decision ,around my way at least.

[noahrab]

Was thinking that maybe Scotland is different from London and maybe we, and possibly the rural parts of England might be able to get going sooner than the big metropolitan areas. Looks to me as though if we play the game with social isolation we might be able to work round this.

All that would happen is furloughed folk would go to these areas for recreation and more freedom.

[Returnofrros]

I think people are already making that decision ,around my way at least.

Correct

[Shuntz]

I really don’t know the best thing to do here
We do need to get back working and hopefully the politicians can find a way soon for this to happen

[Returnofrros]

I really don’t know the best thing to do here
We do need to get back working and hopefully the politicians can find a way soon for this to happen

I have managed to contain the worst of my thoughts on this but I do think things to use the technical term are ****ed.

I just can't see how the economy will recover quickly and can't see once you have put the fear into folk you can get the fear out.

Just as they were surprised how obedient and compliment folk were during the semi lockdown I think they will be surprised how reluctant folk are too mingle when they lift it.

[BCram]

Been having similar doubts myself, but I think the media will turn on everyone who has been telling us what to do, and find a whole host of experts to tell us to get back to work. Just like the virus has been defeated by collective action, the economy will be solved with the same media firestorm. Apologies for the cynicism, it's not really in my nature but there's been something off with our approach when you compare the way other countries have acted. in particular I think the lack of official support for social services has been appalling for residents and workers. That's my impression and I stand to be corrected if this is not the case.

[noahrab]

Been having similar doubts myself, but I think the media will turn on everyone who has been telling us what to do, and find a whole host of experts to tell us to get back to work. Just like the virus has been defeated by collective action, the economy will be solved with the same media firestorm. Apologies for the cynicism, it's not really in my nature but there's been something off with our approach when you compare the way other countries have acted. in particular I think the lack of official support for social services has been appalling for residents and workers. That's my impression and I stand to be corrected if this is not the case.

Each country has its own set of specific issues to deal with and none can be compared.

[Returnofrros]

Each country has its own set of specific issues to deal with and none can be compared.

Even the counting seems to be different.

I think they only way is to take total deaths for this year compared to average for the last few years.

Up to last week there's been around 16000 deaths for this year over and above the 5 year average.

The next weekly figs are out tomorrow.

[Mudskipper]

Even the counting seems to be different.

I think they only way is to take total deaths for this year compared to average for the last few years.

Up to last week there's been around 16000 deaths for this year over and above the 5 year average.

The next weekly figs are out tomorrow.

I still find it staggering the daily death toll does not include care homes ,I know all of them won’t be covid related but it will certainly contribute significantly,just makes me trust our government even less if that’s possible irrespective of it was Tory or Labour....

[Returnofrros]

I still find it staggering the daily death toll does not include care homes ,I know all of them won’t be covid related but it will certainly contribute significantly,just makes me trust our government even less if that’s possible irrespective of it was Tory or Labour....

I don't pay attention to cause of death so I don't pay attention to the daily figs.

You could die of covid, with Covid or even be counted with Covid if tested negative.

ONS weekly death figs is more accurate, tells you how many more people are dying than usual......what's clear is it's nothing like the 510k they 1st said then the 250k revised fig.

[islaydarkblue]

Thanks to the half wits at Transport Scotland and Scottish Government owned Calmac the current Calmac emergency timetable now has no Sunday sailings to the islands of Islay and Arran resulting in no Sunday newspapers being on sale on both islands.
However these clots have decided to continue with Sunday sailings to the island of Mull and Stornaway on Lewis. In my opinion there should be Sunday sailings to every island or none at all. Yet more double standards by the Scottish Governments civil servants.

[noahrab]

I still find it staggering the daily death toll does not include care homes ,I know all of them won’t be covid related but it will certainly contribute significantly,just makes me trust our government even less if that’s possible irrespective of it was Tory or Labour....

Is that the Scottish government?

[Mudskipper]

Is that the Scottish government?

The UK government daily briefing ,although they seem to be speaking for the sake of speaking most days....

[BCram]

Just had a thought. Hope piers Morgan reads this notice board! Why don't the care home operators take their residents with covid to a&e at their nearest hospital and get them looked after using all their medical facilities?

[shaded]

id imagine that the care homes have been told not to and to keep any outbreak within the care homes four walls.also iv heard that anyone over a certain age are being asked to sign DNR forms when in hospital.

on the point re piers morgan if you dont do anything else today listen to the good morning britain interviews he has done with government ministers,esp the one today and indeed the health care ministers lnterview last week and the week before.

Absolutely beggars belief that govt ministers go on gmt and quite clearly cant or wont do their homework,car crash interviews of the highest order.
front line nhs /care staff without proper ppe since day 1,can't get my head around that level of incompetence

[islaydarkblue]

Just had a thought. Hope piers Morgan reads this notice board! Why don't the care home operators take their residents with covid to a&e at their nearest hospital and get them looked after using all their medical facilities?
Hi BCram,
It is not as simple as you may think as I have first hand experience.
When my father was in a nursing home we were asked if he took ill did we want him treated and looked after in his nursing home or did we want him transferred to Ninewells for treatment. I signed a form stating that if he took unwell with say Covid-19 I was happy for him to be treated and looked after by the qualified nurses in his nursing home rather than be transferred to Ninewells for treatment.
I am sure that there are countless other nursing home residents whose family have also signed these forms.

[Mudskipper]

Piers Morgan is not too everyone’s taste but those interviews are comedy gold (if the subject matter was funny).
For a government minister to be on national TV and isn't all over their brief is complete arrogance ,deep down they really don’t care 2 monkeys....
Incidentally Tony Blair for all his faults and smugness was quite impressive last week being interviewed,clearly had spent the time going over the statistics and numbers these people don’t get caught out on live telly.

[BCram]

Do you think Piers is helping the situations? Seems to me the person who was harangued today was expecting to talk about the current issue of domestic violence. She did this very competently and it seemed to me she had done a good job.

She was berated about the2016 review into the country's ability to cope with a pandemic virus. The report clearly showed that the NHS and everyone involved with health issues were completely unprepared to cope with such an event. Those in charge did nothing. There will be reasons for the decision to kick the issue into the long grass. I think it has been obvious for some time that those who have been involved with running the health service have been unable to get round the difficulty that there is never enough money. Is there any indication of the cost that would have been involved in implementing the measures needed to prepare for a pandemic as set out in the 2016 test? What would have been cut to allow for this?

It's not fine to shout and talk over people. Piers is trying hard to expose the mistakes that have been made, which is fine, but I think he would get more revealing information if he made sure that the person being interviewed knew what the questions would be so that they could give meaningful answers.

Last point, you buy the plastic gloves in boxes of 100. They are all the same and I don't think they are ever sold as pairs of gloves.

[BCram]

Hi BCram,
It is not as simple as you may think as I have first hand experience.
When my father was in a nursing home we were asked if he took ill did we want him treated and looked after in his nursing home or did we want him transferred to Ninewells for treatment. I signed a form stating that if he took unwell with say Covid-19 I was happy for him to be treated and looked after by the qualified nurses in his nursing home rather than be transferred to Ninewells for treatment.
I am sure that there are countless other nursing home residents whose family have also signed these forms.

Thanks Islay. I was trying to point out that the nursing homes are not part of the NHSin the way that hospitals are. I can understand that personal circumstances need to be considered but I have not heard anyone try to defend the care sector, and I think they deserve much more support.

[Returnofrros]

I'd encourage folk to listen to Mike Graham v Peter Hitchins 1, 2, 3 and 4.

The 1st one they spend a lot of the time bickering but 2 3 and 4 are all pretty guid with both laying out their thoughts from either side pretty well.

Admittedly I like Peter Hitchins not as much as The Bomber ❤ but he's up there.

[Mudskipper]

Do you think Piers is helping the situations? Seems to me the person who was harangued today was expecting to talk about the current issue of domestic violence. She did this very competently and it seemed to me she had done a good job.

She was berated about the2016 review into the country's ability to cope with a pandemic virus. The report clearly showed that the NHS and everyone involved with health issues were completely unprepared to cope with such an event. Those in charge did nothing. There will be reasons for the decision to kick the issue into the long grass. I think it has been obvious for some time that those who have been involved with running the health service have been unable to get round the difficulty that there is never enough money. Is there any indication of the cost that would have been involved in implementing the measures needed to prepare for a pandemic as set out in the 2016 test? What would have been cut to allow for this?

It's not fine to shout and talk over people. Piers is trying hard to expose the mistakes that have been made, which is fine, but I think he would get more revealing information if he made sure that the person being interviewed knew what the questions would be so that they could give meaningful answers.

Last point, you buy the plastic gloves in boxes of 100. They are all the same and I don't think they are ever sold as pairs of gloves.

They are elected members of Parliament if they can’t take criticism what are they really there for ,Morgan can be pedantic no doubt but he’s essentially asking questions that need answers ,why would you give them the heads up on what you were going to ask can they not work that out themselves in the current climate..!!!

How much money is not enough when it comes to the NHS ,have there been cuts undoubtedly but the numbers are huge how much of that money is squandered through bad management/practices you can never have enough if your essentially pouring money down a hole.

[BCram]

They are elected members of Parliament if they can’t take criticism what are they really there for ,Morgan can be pedantic no doubt but he’s essentially asking questions that need answers ,why would you give them the heads up on what you were going to ask can they not work that out themselves in the current climate..!!!

How much money is not enough when it comes to the NHS ,have there been cuts undoubtedly but the numbers are huge how much of that money is squandered through bad management/practices you can never have enough if your essentially pouring money down a hole.

I agree with much of what you say Mudskipper. I just think that Piers Morgan is on the right track but he could get so much more out of his guests if he gave them the chance to prepare. Imagine if today's interviewee had been able to explain why the obvious route, of putting in place the recommendations that were needed to prepare for a pandemic had been ignored, and what had been done instead. I am wanting more information, not just some politician being bashed.

He had, on one of the programmes, someone who had made a detailed study of the way other countries had closed down their airports, or tested every person who came off any plane that did land. This was compared with the British attitude that did not test anyone, simply gave them a leaflet and told them to self isolate with no testing or tracing. It was a devastating presentation of facts which showed why Britain is in the state it is.

There was another point that the British scientists/experts decided to call this pandemic something else. The point of this was to address the fact that they could not legally ask the health service to cope with a pandemic abecause they did not have sufficient PPE and oxygen delivery systems and ventilators that were needed to cope with a pandemic. This , to me, was a very damaging allegation. The problem is what do you do. It looks to me as though the whole save the NHS strategy has been a smokescreen to encourage our health service workers to do the only thing possible and that is, to do the best they can with what they have and what can be acquired as quickly as possible. It isn't right and I think things will be different and n future.

[Mudskipper]

I agree with much of what you say Mudskipper. I just think that Piers Morgan is on the right track but he could get so much more out of his guests if he gave them the chance to prepare. Imagine if today's interviewee had been able to explain why the obvious route, of putting in place the recommendations that were needed to prepare for a pandemic had been ignored, and what had been done instead. I am wanting more information, not just some politician being bashed.

He had, on one of the programmes, someone who had made a detailed study of the way other countries had closed down their airports, or tested every person who came off any plane that did land. This was compared with the British attitude that did not test anyone, simply gave them a leaflet and told them to self isolate with no testing or tracing. It was a devastating presentation of facts which showed why Britain is in the state it is.

There was another point that the British scientists/experts decided to call this pandemic something else. The point of this was to address the fact that they could not legally ask the health service to cope with a pandemic abecause they did not have sufficient PPE and oxygen delivery systems and ventilators that were needed to cope with a pandemic. This , to me, was a very damaging allegation. The problem is what do you do. It looks to me as though the whole save the NHS strategy has been a smokescreen to encourage our health service workers to do the only thing possible and that is, to do the best they can with what they have and what can be acquired as quickly as possible. It isn't right and I think things will be different and n future.

Pretty much agree with the above ,Morgan makes good points but falls into the trap of almost making the debate personnel he needs to learn to step back and let them make their own mistakes ,I think the PM needs to stop sending ministers that are ill prepared for this type of interrogation ,can you imagine if it was Andrew Neill.

The whole save the NHS has been a cover up/smokescreen as you say they have been left to manage through when there has been a clear failing at the top level ,it will never be proven but I’ll bet the decision to not stockpile PPE on the back of evidence was an economic one who knows.

This country has been taking flights into airports and not testing these people,so effectively we have been in lockdown for 5 weeks and the government has left the back door open ,just staggering.

There was another professor on the radio this morning saying test test test it’s the only way to know what your dealing with until there is a vaccine.

[BCram]

Mudskipper, phew, glad I am not alone!

[islaydarkblue]

Thanks Islay. I was trying to point out that the nursing homes are not part of the NHSin the way that hospitals are. I can understand that personal circumstances need to be considered but I have not heard anyone try to defend the care sector, and I think they deserve much more support.
BCram,
I used to think that care homes were the same as nursing homes and it was only a couple of months before my father had to go into a nursing home that I discovered that there is a big difference.
People who are resident in a nursing home require nursing care whilst this not the case in a care home who residents are often able to out of the care home for a walk unaided.
In my opinion residents of a care home who showed signs of Covid-19 should have been immediately transferred to a hospital for treatment.

[islaydarkblue]

They are elected members of Parliament if they can’t take criticism what are they really there for ,Morgan can be pedantic no doubt but he’s essentially asking questions that need answers ,why would you give them the heads up on what you were going to ask can they not work that out themselves in the current climate..!!!

How much money is not enough when it comes to the NHS ,have there been cuts undoubtedly but the numbers are huge how much of that money is squandered through bad management/practices you can never have enough if your essentially pouring money down a hole.
In my opinion people stand for election as an MP for one reason. They like to feel important. They are certainly not becoming an MP for the good of the country or their electorate as the only time they coming knocking on your door is when there is a General Election coming up.
In December 2018 I had a meeting with Stewart Hosie SNP MP for Dundee East, Monifieth and Carnoustie who was the SNP member of a Treasury Select Committee grilling Ross MacEwan Chief Executive of RBS about internal fraud in his bank. I handed over proven information about internal fraud in a Nat West Bank (part of the RBS Group) Clearing Centre. 16 months later I am still waiting for a reply from Stewart Hosie. Meanwhile Ross MacEwan now retired as Chief Executive of RBS has received a CBE.
No doubt Stewart Hosie will be looking forward to elevation to the House of Lords when he eventually retires as an MP.

[Mudskipper]

In my opinion people stand for election as an MP for one reason. They like to feel important. They are certainly not becoming an MP for the good of the country or their electorate as the only time they coming knocking on your door is when there is a General Election coming up.
In December 2018 I had a meeting with Stewart Hosie SNP MP for Dundee East, Monifieth and Carnoustie who was the SNP member of a Treasury Select Committee grilling Ross MacEwan Chief Executive of RBS about internal fraud in his bank. I handed over proven information about internal fraud in a Nat West Bank (part of the RBS Group) Clearing Centre. 16 months later I am still waiting for a reply from Stewart Hosie. Meanwhile Ross MacEwan now retired as Chief Executive of RBS has received a CBE.
No doubt Stewart Hosie will be looking forward to elevation to the House of Lords when he eventually retires as an MP.

Islam,not being funny but is fraud not a matter for Police Scotland

[Shuntz]

D - snp mps or msps don’t accept peerages
But I agree he never impressed me when I met him
Iv met a few politicians at various events and I was the most impressed by Ken Clark but most of them of all parties seemed ok as people.

Lord Thomson of Monifeith latterly the Chairman of ITV used to sponsor the Dee each season of memory serves me right.

[Mudskipper]

Meant Islay....

[BCram]

[QUOTE=islaydarkblue;39486241]BCram,
I used to think that care homes were the same as nursing homes and it was only a couple of months before my father had to go into a nursing home that I discovered that there is a big difference.
People who are resident in a nursing home require nursing care whilst this not the case in a care home who residents are often able to out of the care home for a walk unaided.
In my opinion residents of a care home who showed signs of Covid-19 should have been immediately transferred to a hospital for treatment.[/

Seems obvious Islay. Wonder why it doesn't happen? In fact it seems as though getting people out of hospital and into social care is the norm.

[shaded]

yip i agree P Morgan isnt everyones cup of tea,however he asks the questions that so many are not,it will be very interesting if the minister who was on for the last two weeks and who told PM on 1st interview that she would get the numbers last week and never just beggars belief,no wonder PM savaged her.

If i took the school run kids to Arbroath instead of their correct school id lose my job,the minister im referring too never knew the correct numbers of front line nhs/care staff who had lost their lives,that is just wrong on so many levels,i look forward to her being back on i think its tomoro morning.

Also totally agree re the govt leaving the back door open thats a scandal in itself,not to mention the away fans who were allowed to travel to Liverpool despite their own league playing behind closed doors at the time

[noahrab]

Morgan’s usually not bad but he’s just being a pryck over the current crisis the same as every other journalist.

This is showing them up for how poor some of them really are.

I’m sure the uk gov, looking back, would do some things differently, we all would.

Easy to criticise when you don’t have to make any decisions.

I never knew we had so many virologist experts among the general population.

[Mudskipper]

Morgan’s usually not bad but he’s just being a pryck over the current crisis the same as every other journalist.

This is showing them up for how poor some of them really are.

I’m sure the uk gov, looking back, would do some things differently, we all would.

Easy to criticise when you don’t have to make any decisions.

I never knew we had so many virologist experts among the general population.

In the beginning I think the government chose the herd immunity route and said phuck it the older generation ,that’s how it looked anyway...Also might have been a good idea to lead by example and not sit in the commons as normal and contract the virus and be out the game for a month.

Regards decisions ,it looks like we now have to decide if we should wear face protection not necessarily masks in shops ,(we should consider) the FM’s words what kind of half arsed statement is that....

If politicians don’t do their homework then guys like Piers Morgan will rightly tear them a new one....

[noahrab]

In the beginning I think the government chose the herd immunity route and said phuck it the older generation ,that’s how it looked anyway...Also might have been a good idea to lead by example and not sit in the commons as normal and contract the virus and be out the game for a month.

Regards decisions ,it looks like we now have to decide if we should wear face protection not necessarily masks in shops ,(we should consider) the FM’s words what kind of half arsed statement is that....

If politicians don’t do their homework then guys like Piers Morgan will rightly tear them a new one....

Governments have been following scientific advice and that’s all they could do.

Damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

Sturgeon just adds confusion....which I think is what they want.

[Mudskipper]

[QUOTE=noahrab;39486451]Governments have been following scientific advice and that’s all they could do.

Damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

Sturgeon just adds confusion....which I think is what they want.[/QUOTE

Your right the government will continue to follow the scientific advice ,the reality is that people who are facing real hardship will decide economically to take work if they can get it and will by default come out of lockdown, clear as day round my way.

Sturgeon trying to put a wee personal stamp on this.

[noahrab]

I’m sure an exit strategy has been or is being discussed.

We need a consistent message across all 4 parts of U.K.

We don’t need to put tartan around it.

[islaydarkblue]

Islam,not being funny but is fraud not a matter for Police Scotland
Hi Mudskipper.
I had a cheque which I issued for £75 fraudulently altered to £2,350 and the half wits who fraudulently altered my cheque did not have a banking brain as they put a ‘2’ in front of the ‘8’ to make it ‘28th’ despite a cheque having a six month shelf life on it. I suffered no loss as I happened to take a mini statement the day my cheque was in the ‘forward posting’ (a banking term) of my current account and my bank was able to return my cheque. As soon as the bank staff retrieved my cheque they noticed that it had been fraudulently altered. I have a black and white photocopy of my fraudulently altered cheque and it looks as if I had written the cheque myself. The only thing that the fraudsters did not alter was my signature.
I reported my fraud to Strathclyde Police (it took place in January 2012). I gave them full details of where and how the fraud took place and I received a crime reference number. The WPC advised me that they would forward the details of this attempted fraud to the Metropolitan Police and I have never heard a cheep from the Met.
My father received a series of fraudulent standing orders debited to his current account and his RBS branch refunded him every time a fraudulent standing order was debited to his account. Eventually in 2017 I went to the Police Scotland Bell Street office to report this crime.
The WPC on duty told me that they could not investigate this crime as my father had received a full refund from his bank.
I was shocked and told her that this was a novel way for the SNP Government to keep the crime figures down in Scotland.
Over four months after my father died there was another attempt to debit a fraudulent standing order to his current account. I received a phone call and email from RBS asking me to contact them about this standing order. I phoned them and they asked if they could speak to my father. I told them that they would have to go to the ‘pearly gates’ if they wanted to speak to him as he had died over four months ago.
Unbelievable but all true.
In my opinion the main cause of banking fraud is that the back office work from bank branches has been removed to service centres where these staff are able to access full details of customers accounts without their knowledge. I even offered the details of these fraudulent transactions to the Money Section of the Sunday Times in October 2017 after they had been complaining about banking fraud but they never used my information.

Everyone seems happy to ‘sweep things under the carpet’ and do nothing about it resulting in the fraudsters getting away with it.

[islaydarkblue]

In the beginning I think the government chose the herd immunity route and said phuck it the older generation ,that’s how it looked anyway...Also might have been a good idea to lead by example and not sit in the commons as normal and contract the virus and be out the game for a month.

Regards decisions ,it looks like we now have to decide if we should wear face protection not necessarily masks in shops ,(we should consider) the FM’s words what kind of half arsed statement is that....

If politicians don’t do their homework then guys like Piers Morgan will rightly tear them a new one....
Hi Mudskipper.
In 1969 and 1970 there were two outbreaks of Hong Kong flu throughout the UK resulting in 80,000 deaths but the country did not grind to a halt and Sporting events including football matches were not suspended until further notice.
There was no vaccine and eventually it ended probably through herd immunity. There were no emails and the post was delivered later due to postmen being off ill and milk deliveries also suffered due to milkmen also being off work due to having Hong Kong flu.
.

[Returnofrros]

Hi Mudskipper.
In 1969 and 1970 there were two outbreaks of Hong Kong flu throughout the UK resulting in 80,000 deaths but the country did not grind to a halt and Sporting events including football matches were not suspended until further notice.
There was no vaccine and eventually it ended probably through herd immunity. There were no emails and the post was delivered later due to postmen being off ill and milk deliveries also suffered due to milkmen also being off work due to having Hong Kong flu.
.

Did Hong Kong fluey no go on to have his own tv series and become a number one superstar😁

In 2009 when the panic 're swine flu was on it was estimated it would kill 65000 in the UK (worst estimate) it ended up killing less than 400.

At the time the health Secretary trying to allay fears pointed out that the flu in year 1999/00 had killed well over 20000 in the UK.

There was no lockdown.

The reported record number of deaths reported for week beginning 10th of April is also incorrect it was 1970 when you take into account the population then and what it is now.

[Returnofrros]

[QUOTE=noahrab;39486451]Governments have been following scientific advice and that’s all they could do.

Damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

Sturgeon just adds confusion....which I think is what they want.[/QUOTE

Your right the government will continue to follow the scientific advice ,the reality is that people who are facing real hardship will decide economically to take work if they can get it and will by default come out of lockdown, clear as day round my way.

Sturgeon trying to put a wee personal stamp on this.

They will follow the advice of their chosen advisers I'd say not THE scientific advice Mudskipper.

There is other advice out there aka Sweden.

Economically.....I think it's irretrievable without plundering money off people's savings, pensions and property.

[islaydarkblue]

Last week I was watching Hard Talk on TV and I discovered that the World Health Organisation (WHO) is an offshoot of the United Nations and we all know how useless the United Nations are at getting anything done. The UN are all talk and no action.
This would account for the WHO accepting everything that the Chinese leaders previously told them about Coronavirus until it was too late.

[noahrab]

[QUOTE=Mudskipper;39486459]

They will follow the advice of their chosen advisers I'd say not THE scientific advice Mudskipper.

There is other advice out there aka Sweden.

Economically.....I think it's irretrievable without plundering money off people's savings, pensions and property.

Given the news coming out of Sweden I don’t think their approach is one that has worked any better than anyone else’s and looks to have backfired.

[Mudskipper]

Did Hong Kong fluey no go on to have his own tv series and become a number one superstar😁

In 2009 when the panic 're swine flu was on it was estimated it would kill 65000 in the UK (worst estimate) it ended up killing less than 400.

At the time the health Secretary trying to allay fears pointed out that the flu in year 1999/00 had killed well over 20000 in the UK.

There was no lockdown.

The reported record number of deaths reported for week beginning 10th of April is also incorrect it was 1970 when you take into account the population then and what it is now.

I take it Rosemary the telephone operator survived....!!!!

[Mudskipper]

Hi Mudskipper.
I had a cheque which I issued for £75 fraudulently altered to £2,350 and the half wits who fraudulently altered my cheque did not have a banking brain as they put a ‘2’ in front of the ‘8’ to make it ‘28th’ despite a cheque having a six month shelf life on it. I suffered no loss as I happened to take a mini statement the day my cheque was in the ‘forward posting’ (a banking term) of my current account and my bank was able to return my cheque. As soon as the bank staff retrieved my cheque they noticed that it had been fraudulently altered. I have a black and white photocopy of my fraudulently altered cheque and it looks as if I had written the cheque myself. The only thing that the fraudsters did not alter was my signature.
I reported my fraud to Strathclyde Police (it took place in January 2012). I gave them full details of where and how the fraud took place and I received a crime reference number. The WPC advised me that they would forward the details of this attempted fraud to the Metropolitan Police and I have never heard a cheep from the Met.
My father received a series of fraudulent standing orders debited to his current account and his RBS branch refunded him every time a fraudulent standing order was debited to his account. Eventually in 2017 I went to the Police Scotland Bell Street office to report this crime.
The WPC on duty told me that they could not investigate this crime as my father had received a full refund from his bank.
I was shocked and told her that this was a novel way for the SNP Government to keep the crime figures down in Scotland.
Over four months after my father died there was another attempt to debit a fraudulent standing order to his current account. I received a phone call and email from RBS asking me to contact them about this standing order. I phoned them and they asked if they could speak to my father. I told them that they would have to go to the ‘pearly gates’ if they wanted to speak to him as he had died over four months ago.
Unbelievable but all true.
In my opinion the main cause of banking fraud is that the back office work from bank branches has been removed to service centres where these staff are able to access full details of customers accounts without their knowledge. I even offered the details of these fraudulent transactions to the Money Section of the Sunday Times in October 2017 after they had been complaining about banking fraud but they never used my information.

Everyone seems happy to ‘sweep things under the carpet’ and do nothing about it resulting in the fraudsters getting away with it.

Don’t know if this ties up Islay but I remember being on a fraud identification course where there was a lot of Police presence ,I’m sure the number mentioned was 50k and under was deemed small time ,unbelievable if true but even it’s close we need to be a bit more savvy when online....

[Returnofrros]

[QUOTE=Returnofrros;39486518]

Given the news coming out of Sweden I don’t think their approach is one that has worked any better than anyone else’s and looks to have backfired.

On the modelling advice the UK received, ie do nothing and this is how many will die, they should have had circa 40k deaths by now, they haven't they have had 2 and a bit.

They have had more than Finland, Denmark and Norway but Sweden counts every death I don't think Denmark does.

The big thing for me is 95% of those that have died in the UK had serious underlying and that's not including care homes where I'd assume 100% or as near as dammit had underlying so I'd say around 97% of those that have died in the UK had serious underlying conditions........I can't understand the locking down of the healthy and obliterating your tax base when the chances of dying of this when healthy is very slim.

But as you say I can count and yap em no em not an expert on viruses.......just saying though.

[Returnofrros]

I take it Rosemary the telephone operator survived....!!!!

I'm assuming she did but not heard much a boot her after she had her baby.

[BCram]

[QUOTE=noahrab;39486546]

On the modelling advice the UK received, ie do nothing and this is how many will die, they should have had circa 40k deaths by now, they haven't they have had 2 and a bit.

They have had more than Finland, Denmark and Norway but Sweden counts every death I don't think Denmark does.

The big thing for me is 95% of those that have died in the UK had serious underlying and that's not including care homes where I'd assume 100% or as near as dammit had underlying so I'd say around 97% of those that have died in the UK had serious underlying conditions........I can't understand the locking down of the healthy and obliterating your tax base when the chances of dying of this when healthy is very slim.

But as you say I can count and yap em no em not an expert on viruses.......just saying though.

Just finished watching Piers again. Very good guy from the FT on who was saying the deaths, total for GB is about 46k. That's the full number of all deaths. Am I being naive in thinking that the normal deaths for this time of year could be about 25k so maybe the difference is the 20k that seem to be covid related? Have to say thanks to you guys who are using this thread. It's like old times on here, just that the topic is very worrying.

I think that the economic future may revolve around tax increases. The difficulty will come if pursuit of supporting London as a world financial centre comes into conflict higher taxes for financial wizards. Think that's why we got austerity in 2008. It played into the mindset of the financial markets and kept them sweet. Need to have a gentle touch on the tiller going forward to avoid the Rross prognosis!

[Returnofrros]

[QUOTE=Returnofrros;39486579]

Just finished watching Piers again. Very good guy from the FT on who was saying the deaths, total for GB is about 46k. That's the full number of all deaths. Am I being naive in thinking that the normal deaths for this time of year could be about 25k so maybe the difference is the 20k that seem to be covid related? Have to say thanks to you guys who are using this thread. It's like old times on here, just that the topic is very worrying.

I think that the economic future may revolve around tax increases. The difficulty will come if pursuit of supporting London as a world financial centre comes into conflict higher taxes for financial wizards. Think that's why we got austerity in 2008. It played into the mindset of the financial markets and kept them sweet. Need to have a gentle touch on the tiller going forward to avoid the Rross prognosis!

If I mind right it's usually between 1600 and 1700 per day that die though this maybe just eng/Wales and that's spreading out the deaths over the year.

Remember as well the lockdown will cause some death as well ( non virus related) especially going forward through missed tests, screening and treatments for other illnesses.

The wealth taxes may well be pretty brutal as the really wealthy tend to avoid.

The other thing that annoys me is the press keep saying wealth is generally not earned but handed down. This is probably the 1st time in history working classes have began to hand down wealth to the next generation, I see nothing wrong with that and not something to be almost sneered at.

[noahrab]

[QUOTE=noahrab;39486546]

On the modelling advice the UK received, ie do nothing and this is how many will die, they should have had circa 40k deaths by now, they haven't they have had 2 and a bit.

They have had more than Finland, Denmark and Norway but Sweden counts every death I don't think Denmark does.

The big thing for me is 95% of those that have died in the UK had serious underlying and that's not including care homes where I'd assume 100% or as near as dammit had underlying so I'd say around 97% of those that have died in the UK had serious underlying conditions........I can't understand the locking down of the healthy and obliterating your tax base when the chances of dying of this when healthy is very slim.

But as you say I can count and yap em no em not an expert on viruses.......just saying though.

If you go back to BJ very first press conference with him and the health and science experts, we were left in no doubt many people would die.

Everything done was to ensure the NHS wasn’t overrun by the effects of the virus.

Unfortunately older people and those with underlying health issues were always going to be at risk from any virus with no vaccine.

China has a lot to answer for.

[BCram]

[QUOTE=Returnofrros;39486579]

If you go back to BJ very first press conference with him and the health and science experts, we were left in no doubt many people would die.

Everything done was to ensure the NHS wasn’t overrun by the effects of the virus.

Unfortunately older people and those with underlying health issues were always going to be at risk from any virus with no vaccine.

China has a lot to answer for.
Fair point Noah. There's a very good You Think be video that shows how flattening the rate of infection is really the key to getting through this pandemic. The worrying thing is that there still seems to be some bureaucracy that gets in the way of getting things done.

Read a report that the plane from China landed at Prestwick and the stuff had to stay there because the individual boxes had letters of authenticity/approval, but the individual items didn't have the right marks of approval on each item. Fair point made by Nicola Sturgeon was that it was better to have the products here in Scotland than sitting on a runway than sitting in China.

[Returnofrros]

[QUOTE=Returnofrros;39486579]

If you go back to BJ very first press conference with him and the health and science experts, we were left in no doubt many people would die.

Everything done was to ensure the NHS wasn’t overrun by the effects of the virus.

Unfortunately older people and those with underlying health issues were always going to be at risk from any virus with no vaccine.

China has a lot to answer for.

Gonna no call Boris BJ it puts me right aff meh train of thought.

As i have argued on dab mad people are shielded from death in this country whether that's good or bad.

My main criticism is I think the lockdown is excessive especially now.

Very slim chance of dying if you are healthy.

I've not seen much on the longer term effects of getting the virus and being seriously unwell with it.

Is it something that will weaken your lungs for life or can you make a full recovery even after ventilation and icu.

[Returnofrros]

Oh and you can't criticise the Chinese.....that's the rules apparently.

[noahrab]

[QUOTE=noahrab;39486660]

Gonna no call Boris BJ it puts me right aff meh train of thought.

As i have argued on dab mad people are shielded from death in this country whether that's good or bad.

My main criticism is I think the lockdown is excessive especially now.

Very slim chance of dying if you are healthy.

I've not seen much on the longer term effects of getting the virus and being seriously unwell with it.

Is it something that will weaken your lungs for life or can you make a full recovery even after ventilation and icu.

Not everyone in work is in good health though. Asthma for example so you can understand the concern.

We should start by sending those two infertile pandas who are costing us a fortune back to them.

[Returnofrros]

[QUOTE=Returnofrros;39486681]

Not everyone in work is in good health though. Asthma for example so you can understand the concern.

We should start by sending those two infertile pandas who are costing us a fortune back to them.

No I know

Its never really been defined what is a serious underlying.

BP tablet controlled serious?

Asthma inhaler controlled serious?

Fat/obese serious?

Or is it post chemo, transplant patients, diabetes and other things.

The 95% figure dead said serious underlying conditions whereas in previous reports it just said underlying conditions.

It's maybe just word play but I think it's quite significant.

There's a lot of grey areas.

[Mudskipper]

Tell you what though I used to get stuck into the work shy types ,it’s actually hard going sitting at home watching day time telly all day ...fair play to them but I’m giving the permanent Trakkie bottoms and baseball cap a miss....for now anyway....

[Mudskipper]

[QUOTE=Returnofrros;39486683]Oh and you can't criticise the Chinese.....that's the rules apparently.[/QUOTE

Not if we want i phones for 1k instead of 2k....

[islaydarkblue]

It would be interesting to know how many people in Scotland and the UK are currently suffering from underlying health conditions. I think that the figure would be frightening despite all the money being spent trying to encourage people to have a healthy lifestyle.
This week I have noticed that there is a lot more traffic on the roads than during the first two weeks of the lockdown. It looks like the novelty of staying at home or walking everywhere has worn off.

[Mudskipper]

It would be interesting to know how many people in Scotland and the UK are currently suffering from underlying health conditions. I think that the figure would be frightening despite all the money being spent trying to encourage people to have a healthy lifestyle.
This week I have noticed that there is a lot more traffic on the roads than during the first two weeks of the lockdown. It looks like the novelty of staying at home or walking everywhere has worn off.

This country has a horrific addiction to alcohol and I like a wee drink myself ,see loads of young people still smoking, obesity related health issues must be off the scale ,I lead a pretty active lifestyle go out running most days eat healthy without living like a Buddhist monk.
After the first week of lockdown I said to myself there will be 2 types of people come out of this...peeps doing triathlons or folks getting winched out the house by the fire service ....

[islaydarkblue]

This country has a horrific addiction to alcohol and I like a wee drink myself ,see loads of young people still smoking, obesity related health issues must be off the scale ,I lead a pretty active lifestyle go out running most days eat healthy without living like a Buddhist monk.
After the first week of lockdown I said to myself there will be 2 types of people come out of this...peeps doing triathlons or folks getting winched out the house by the fire service ....
When moved to live on Islay in 2005 I asked my GP if the blood donor
vehicle came to the island as I had previously donated blood at the blood donation unit in Ninewells Hospital.
My GP informed my that there were not enough healthy people living on Islay to justify bringing over the Blood Donor Van.
I knew that there was a big drink problem on Islay but I was shocked when my GP told me that you would be surprised how many people living on Islay suffered from high blood pressure which of course is a silent killer.

[Mudskipper]

When moved to live on Islay in 2005 I asked my GP if the blood donor
vehicle came to the island as I had previously donated blood at the blood donation unit in Ninewells Hospital.
My GP informed my that there were not enough healthy people living on Islay to justify bringing over the Blood Donor Van.
I knew that there was a big drink problem on Islay but I was shocked when my GP told me that you would be surprised how many people living on Islay suffered from high blood pressure which of course is a silent killer.

There is definitely a stigma attached to drinking in Scotland,30 years ago I would always take a drink even if I probably didn’t really want one ,now it wouldn’t bother me in the slightest to knock it back drink driving laws have made it easier to say no.

I was through at a concert in Glasgow in January and the pubs were choking with punters with people queuing mid afternoon, off licenses on almost every street.

Minimum pricing in place now but it’s part of our culture for generations, cost has never been a barrier to addicts...

[Returnofrros]

Tell you what though I used to get stuck into the work shy types ,it’s actually hard going sitting at home watching day time telly all day ...fair play to them but I’m giving the permanent Trakkie bottoms and baseball cap a miss....for now anyway....

One of the benefits of not working is not listening having to the crap that most people in work places believe, follow and adhere to.

It's a sorta personal lockdown from virtue signalling bull.