Match Thread vs. Yeovil Town 20.03.21 [NL]

[SwalePie]

Match days come round quickly these days and here we are awaiting the first leg of a 6 point double header with Yeovil. Let us all hope that today turns 4 points from 6 into 7 from 9.

COYP!

Team news around 2.00pm.

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[SwalePie]

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[durhampie]

Ardley is taking the piss with this lot..

[St Kitts Magpie]

Not sure what to say anymore....lets see at 4.45pm

COYP

[Thordardaughter]

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Doyle Reeves and O’Brien !! Master plan or what ????

[wiseoldmagpie]

Enzio RB?

[eyepie]

Enzio RB?

Looks that way

[bouncingoffthewalls]

Worry about the lack of creativity in the starting 11, think the game plan is going to be get Enzio & Barnett crossing it into the big guys

[frenchmagpie]

Albert Einstein is widely credited with saying, “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.”

[SwalePie]

Gordon Bennett you lot, they haven't even kicked off yet and you're slagging off your own team. Sigh.

[St Kitts Magpie]

Enzio RB , Barnett replacing Miller who i thought has been decent lately.. DKE cant get his place back.. And still Lacey & Rawlo who were unable to walk 2 weeks ago so we needed to sign a new CB both play again!!!! and the Famed trio is back together in midfield!!!!

[i961pie]

Doyle Reeves and O’Brien !! Master plan or what ????

Nice to see a bit of pace in midfield?XD

[i961pie]

Gordon Bennett you lot, they haven't even kicked off yet and you're slagging off your own team. Sigh.

Is he another full back?

[laddo]

Doyle Reeves and O’Brien !! Master plan or what ????

I had to swallow a little sick when I saw all 3 named in a starting XI.

Saying that overall I've been happy with the starting XI on paper for a long time now and the performances have been poor.

It's clearly an all steel no silk approach with that lineup. Reason being Sam patchy, Knowles patchy, Rodders patchy, he's lost some faith in those three with their performances recently.

To the trenches boys and girls.

[St Kitts Magpie]

Gordon Bennett you lot, they haven't even kicked off yet and you're slagging off your own team. Sigh.

I'm certainly not slagging off the team I'm merely questioning the Managers selection...Hopefully as has been mentioned its a masterstroke. As i wrote, lets see at 4.45pm

[Notsohumblepie]

Nice to see a bit of pace in midfield?XD

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[Evesham Pie]

Enzio RB , Barnett replacing Miller who i thought has been decent lately.. DKE cant get his place back.. And still Lacey & Rawlo who were unable to walk 2 weeks ago so we needed to sign a new CB both play again!!!! and the Famed trio is back together in midfield!!!!

I share your consternation

[stewb]

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Same old,same old

[Carlton_Pie]

Enzio RB , Barnett replacing Miller who i thought has been decent lately.. DKE cant get his place back.. And still Lacey & Rawlo who were unable to walk 2 weeks ago so we needed to sign a new CB both play again!!!! and the Famed trio is back together in midfield!!!!

This manager will never learn. Job and Doyle were large part of the reason we got relegated, 2 years on and 2 years older they're still bloody here stealing a living off this great club.

[bouncingoffthewalls]

Combined age in midfield of 99...atleast we will get a postcard from Liz next year!

[the_anticlough]

Ardley is taking the piss with this lot..

A selection which is part of the end rather than any turnaround in fortunes...
it looks like NA put a team sheet up and the most vocal from the 'players meeting' said 'nah mate, use this one'

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Is he another full back?
🤣🤣

[jackal2]

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Watch them go into their shell if it all goes wrong! :rolleyes:

Seriously though, Doyle must have compromising pictures of Ardley or something. I'm not saying he's a bad player by any means, but he is nowhere near good or influential enough to warrant this slavish selection of him in every single game. Why is he not subject to the rotation that other players are, especially in view of his advancing years? Don Masson or Don O'Riordan he ain't!

[the_anticlough]

Watch them go into their shell if it all goes wrong! :rolleyes:

Seriously, though, Doyle must have compromising pictures of Ardley or something. I'm not saying he's a bad player by any means, but he is nowhere near good or influential enough to warrant this slavish selection of him in every single game. Why is he not subject to the rotation that other players are, especially in view of his advancing years?

the unhealthiest part of this is if NA isn't able to say 'sorry, you're going to sit this one out' for whatever reason...
you've got to be able to coach/manage your team and have FULL CONTROL over selection

[jackal2]

the unhealthiest part of this is if NA isn't able to say 'sorry, you're going to sit this one out' for whatever reason...
you've got to be able to coach/manage your team and have FULL CONTROL over selection

The irony is that there are other players who have been unable to reach their best form and gain confidence precisely because Ardley is repeatedly moving them in and out of the side and changing their position. I'd be more willing to accept Doyle being "undroppable" if the rest of the team (and the formation) looked equally settled.

[Woodypie]

Gordon Bennett you lot, they haven't even kicked off yet and you're slagging off your own team. Sigh. I don't doubt they will try their best. It's just Ardley is bonkers.

[Big Bob]

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Why isn't Kelly-Evans starting?

[Evesham Pie]

Maybe Ardley's master plan is to lull them into a false sense of security for the away fixture on Tuesday?

[bouncingoffthewalls]

Why isn't Kelly-Evans starting?

Looks like 5-3-2 with Enzio being at RWB, I really rate Kelly-Evans but don't think he would be suited for the wing back role, he's not the best going forward.

[wiseoldmagpie]

Why indeed. A player I really like - committed, high energy, a battler.

[matt_magpie]

Stall seems to like it

[Evesham Pie]

DKE has been our most consistent performer this season. The only possible explanation would be if he had a niggle, but I don't think that's the case.

[bouncingoffthewalls]

Stall seems to like it

I like 5-3-2 so think if we get the ball to the wing backs high up and let them whip it in we should score goals against a weak defence.

[Warnocks Legends]

Anyone else problems with stream?

[Evesham Pie]

yes, stuttering and buffering

Now error code 23001

[CamPie]

Anyone else problems with stream?

Mine went down with an error code, logged out and in again and now fine. Nope it’s gone again as I type!

[bouncingoffthewalls]

Anyone else problems with stream?

Keeps dropping out for me

[Warnocks Legends]

Yeah same for me thanks

[Thordardaughter]

Keeps dropping out for me
Buffering continuously !

[jackal2]

yes, stuttering and buffering


Is that the picture or the team?

[drillerpie]

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The midfield is a walking (or rather jogging) facepalm, but I've been saying NA should go more direct for some time so will stay open minded about the front two!

[Evesham Pie]

TBF, we look a bit more up for it so far

[Thordardaughter]

Getting fed up of this now ! 6 mins gone and 3 mins of buffering !

[Evesham Pie]

Try exiting the stream and then rejoining - it worked for me

[Thordardaughter]

Try exiting the stream and then rejoining - it worked for me

Tried that 5 times

[Stan Marshall]

Great. Corner number one totally wasted by Doyle!

[Evesham Pie]

What's happened to tippy tappy?

[bouncingoffthewalls]

We're looking good so far, controlling the game but getting the ball forward at the same time.

[SwalePie]

Much better so far. Keep it up Notts!

[TheBlackHorse]

... bet you moaners hating this bright start by Notts (whatever the eventual outcome) ...

[SwalePie]

Boring Wood and Cheaterfield winning

[SwalePie]

Good first quarter from Notts but we need to get a goal ASAP to make all the good work count.

[Stan Marshall]

Corner number 2 for Notts with O’Brien. Even worse!!

[jackal2]

We're looking good so far, controlling the game but getting the ball forward at the same time.

I wonder if views expressed at the recent team meeting have led to a more direct approach? Not complaining if it get results.

Michael Doyle has just scored for Queen's Park against Stranraer. He's even getting picked in two teams at once now! >:)

[SwalePie]

Barnett's having a good game so far.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

A good start by Notts. Lot's more energy, endeavour and intensity than what we have seen of late. Likewise a bit more of an attacking intent as well. The quality of the set pieces have left a little to be desired.

Barnett looks lively and Effiong looks like he is settling in as well. Yeovil are defending quite deep and the ball has been bouncing around in their area a few times. Unfortunate that nobody has had a clear cut chance yet, apart from Reeves I think who had a powerful shot at the keeper.

[bouncingoffthewalls]

Yeovil look very poor at the back, think it's only a matter of time till we score.

[i961pie]

... bet you moaners hating this bright start by Notts (whatever the eventual outcome) ...

Covering all angles there:s

[Evesham Pie]

In a generally improved performance Reeves is still managing to look poor.

[SwalePie]

Remarkably few goals in the division so far!

[SwalePie]

Reeves, 1-0

[americanpie]

Still no Dennis in the St Mirren squad !

[Evesham Pie]

In a generally improved performance Reeves is still managing to look poor.

Can I claim the credit for that with a bit of reverse commentators curse.

[bouncingoffthewalls]

He has scored some quality goals!

[SwalePie]

Let's see if this works..

"In a generally improved performance Wootton is still managing to look poor..." ;)

[MAD_MAGPIE]

Once again an individual piece of brilliance this time from Jake Reeves. Excellent goal from a set piece.

[upthemaggies]

Yeovil don't do draws, so either they're going to have to score at least twice or we're going to win this now.

[americanpie]

Yessssss COYP !

[countygump]

Yeovil look very poor at the back, think it's only a matter of time till we score.



Yessssssssssssssssss, and deserved on the run of play.

[kings1]

Wobbling rocket ��

[Riverleeno]

Magic!

[SwalePie]

Wobbling rocket 🚀

Loved that.

Valvetastic! :)

[CamPie]

Can I claim the credit for that with a bit of reverse commentators curse.

Had to laugh when I saw that, who else thought “why Reeves?” when he lined up to take that.

[SwalePie]

Can I claim the credit for that with a bit of reverse commentators curse.

Definitely! COYP!

[bouncingoffthewalls]

Wobbling rocket ��

That's what I call my old chap

[SwalePie]

That's what I call my old chap
:) :) :)

[jackal2]

Let's see if this works..

"In a generally improved performance Wootton is still managing to look poor..." ;)

Definitely worth a try. But maybe it only works if Evesham says it?

[SwalePie]

Definitely worth a try. But maybe it only works if Evesham says it?

Maybe. Hope can repeat the magic!

[Evesham Pie]

I'm not sure whether my powers are now too weak after such a powerful intervention but here goes.

In a generally improved performance Wootton is still managing to look poor.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

That first half was more like a general performance and not like the sub-par performances we have seen recently so hopefully a corner has been turned now.

I know JOB has pulled off a couple of poor set pieces but generally his drive and wanting to make something happen has helped us, and did against Wealdstone last week. He's not afraid of going forward and trying to make something happen. We need players like that at the moment.

I think we've just edged it and deserve the lead with a piece of quality. We will need to carry on as we are as a minimum if we want to win this. Probably could do with an improvement in set pieces second half and create a few more chances as I think a second goal would be enough to put this game to bed.

[MancMagpie]

Good solid half that. Enzio and Barnett doing well as wing backs. O'Brien best midfielder so far. Great free kick from Reeves. Centre backs all fairly solid.

I would suggest taking Doyle off as he's on a yellow and having a very average game. Move JOB to Doyle's position and bring Ruben on in JOB's position.

So basically, sub Doyle for Ruben.

[the_anticlough]

Not bad at all. And Yeovil just can't get anything going...
One more and it will be beyond them I think

[Evesham Pie]

Much better first half and we got the goal that we deserved. Nice to see us being more direct and getting the ball forward with some urgency. We are also pressing well and winning 50/50 balls. We look like a team that wants to win.

[Stan Marshall]

More energy and intensity today to be fair. Just 45 minutes now to adopt the normal approach when we’re one up - sit back and defend!

[Riverleeno]

More energy from Notts than recently, players moving into space, JOB industrious.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

Best chance of the game so far with Barnett one on one with the keeper. Saved and went out for a corner.

This game is ours for the taking if we can get that second goal.

[CamPie]

Need that second now or this’ll get more and more nervy, good chance for Barnett, kept it down but keeper did well, a forward player would’ve been disappointed not to score though.

[bouncingoffthewalls]

This is where I'd like us to go back to a little period of slow build up that we normally do and take the momentum away from Yeovil.

[SwalePie]

Get in! A Reeves Rocket and a Barnett Bullet!

Rockets and Bullets so far...can we have a Wootton Whack next?

[bouncingoffthewalls]

Pick that out!!!

[Riverleeno]

Boom!

[CamPie]

F**k me what a strike!

[Evesham Pie]

Great goal - Barnett has had a good game today. But then again the whole team has been much, much better than of late.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

That's is brilliant excellent goal by Jordan Barnett. He's had a really good afternoon and was unlucky earlier. So pleased for him and another piece of individual brilliance to hopefully wrap this game up. Good set up by Reeves.

[countygump]

Great goal - Barnett has had a good game today. But then again the whole team has been much, much better than of late.


That was a beauty!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BigFatPie]

Get in my son.

Seems ages since we were 2 goals up!

[jackal2]

We're prolific! :rolleyes:

[BigFatPie]

Impressive from Sutton . Really though they’d lose today.

[frenchmagpie]

Impressive from Sutton . Really though they’d lose today.

Results not going our way around us.

[americanpie]

Well I've seen everything now........A happy Notts Mad board;D

[MAD_MAGPIE]

Impressive from Sutton . Really though they’d lose today.

Momentum and confidence in football are huge factors. Sutton are riding on the crest of a wave at the moment.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

The most important thing for us now is to keep that clean sheet. Then that will round off a good day's work which it's been a while since we've been able to say that.

[jackal2]

Stockport level at Sutton

[SwalePie]

Stockport level at Sutton

Excellent!

[frenchmagpie]

Stockport level at Sutton

Oh my word ! 96th minute. Great

[laddo]

Excellent!

About time Sutton conceded instead of scoring in injury time.

[BigFatPie]

Stockport level at Sutton

Haha I put the mockers on them.

[CamPie]

Happy with that performance and result and bonus was that Stockport equaliser in the 96th min. Catching Sutton will be a huge ask as they’re so far clear and we’re hit and miss at moment but still a lot can happen in the 15 or so games left.

[jackal2]

Good performance and result for us today. Now we need to keep those levels and results up, because dropped points earlier have left us no margin for error. No more false dawns!

[MAD_MAGPIE]

That was a lot better and a much better performance than in recent weeks and another three points on the board. Lot's of positives today going into the next game against Yeovil away.

The thing about today was the hunger desire and workrate were there. Barnett would be up there for man of the match for me today. I think credit should also go to Enzio as well for slotting into the right wing back well as he has done well there. A good solid performance with another clean sheet. JOB was an engine as well and the back three were solid and composed. I also thought Effiong had a good game and was a physical presence and is finding his feet in this team now.

Wootton was a bit quiet but the good thing is other players around the park have started scoring since Ellis last week with Lacey, Reeves and Barnett. So everyone is now contributing.

Areas still to work on such as quality of set pieces, and a bit more quality in the final third but it's all been about digging ourselves out of a slump. 7 out of 9 points in a week also makes things look a lot better.

[matt_magpie]

Happy with that performance and result and bonus was that Stockport equaliser in the 96th min. Catching Sutton will be a huge ask as they’re so far clear and we’re hit and miss at moment but still a lot can happen in the 15 or so games left.

Think we gain a game in hand on them if Dovers results are expunged as they haven’t played them

[countygump]

Good convincing, positive performance Notts and a thoroughly deserved victory.

Well done to all!!!!!!!!

[Notts78]

Good performance and result for us today. Now we need to keep those levels and results up, because dropped points earlier have left us no margin for error. No more false dawns!

Agree completely. Any talk of catching Sutton should be shelved for now. We have it all on staying in the play offs with so many teams in the hunt. We needed the week we have just had. Like you said their is no room for error.

[Elite_Pie]

That was a proper 3-5-2 formation, with the wing backs doing more attacking than defending. We looked much more solid and didn't allow Yeovil to create any clear cut chances. We look far better abandoning the tippy-tappy stuff across the back and getting the ball forward quicker. Do we give Ardley credit for the change, or do we wonder what might have been if he had seen what most on here seemed to see and done it much earlier?

[drillerpie]

That was a proper 3-5-2 formation, with the wing backs doing more attacking than defending. We looked much more solid and didn't allow Yeovil to create any clear cut chances. We look far better abandoning the tippy-tappy stuff across the back and getting the ball forward quicker. Do we give Ardley credit for the change, or do we wonder what might have been if he had seen what most on here seemed to see and done it much earlier?

If I've just heard his interview right, he said the decision to not play out came from the players' meeting the other day.

THE SYSTEM is dead, long live the new, sensible, system!

[BigFatPie]

That was a proper 3-5-2 formation, with the wing backs doing more attacking than defending. We looked much more solid and didn't allow Yeovil to create any clear cut chances. We look far better abandoning the tippy-tappy stuff across the back and getting the ball forward quicker. Do we give Ardley credit for the change, or do we wonder what might have been if he had seen what most on here seemed to see and done it much earlier?

Pissing about at the back with it does my head in at any level but why you’d ask National League players to do it is anyone’s guess

[CamPie]

That was a proper 3-5-2 formation, with the wing backs doing more attacking than defending. We looked much more solid and didn't allow Yeovil to create any clear cut chances. We look far better abandoning the tippy-tappy stuff across the back and getting the ball forward quicker. Do we give Ardley credit for the change, or do we wonder what might have been if he had seen what most on here seemed to see and done it much earlier?

Of course you give him credit. If you slate the manager when it’s not working you have to credit him when he changed things and it works out. If oppo teams now set up against the new formation he may have to mix it up again. Basically win or lose the manager is ultimately responsible in this game.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

Agree completely. Any talk of catching Sutton should be shelved for now. We have it all on staying in the play offs with so many teams in the hunt. We needed the week we have just had. Like you said their is no room for error.

I agree about Sutton. They are 12 points in front of us and whilst we have a game in hand over them we really need to simmer expectations of winning the title and getting automatic promotion at this point in time.

The first priority is to push on and cement ourselves in the upper playoff places and put some distance between ourselves and teams like Chesterfield in 11th.

[laddo]

We do all we can to never give Ardley credit no matter what happens, you know the rules.

Can be few complaints this evening, finally a game we started well, played well, fully deserved to win, and comfortable for last 15 mins. Everything we've been looking for.

Icing on the cake are two stunning goals and another clean sheet.

Well done lads........ oh and manager too I guess.

Ardleyball

[frenchmagpie]

If I've just heard his interview right, he said the decision to not play out came from the players' meeting the other day.

THE SYSTEM is dead, long live the new, sensible, system!

If true that is a shocking indictment of a very poor manager. That the fans and the players could all see the faults before him and his backroom team says a lot. Today was a great performance and win but it just proves the point. We need a huge effort and some luck to catch Sutton now. What could have been with a decent manager ?

[CheltenhamPie]

That was a proper 3-5-2 formation, with the wing backs doing more attacking than defending. We looked much more solid and didn't allow Yeovil to create any clear cut chances. We look far better abandoning the tippy-tappy stuff across the back and getting the ball forward quicker. Do we give Ardley credit for the change, or do we wonder what might have been if he had seen what most on here seemed to see and done it much earlier?

I think we give Notts county F C credit for today’s result. Delighted with the outcome, which augers well for Tuesday. However, I felt that Doyle gave the ball away too much, and that we really do need to be able to improve our ability to cross the ball, both from corners and open play.

[ivansneck]

That was a proper 3-5-2 formation, with the wing backs doing more attacking than defending. We looked much more solid and didn't allow Yeovil to create any clear cut chances. We look far better abandoning the tippy-tappy stuff across the back and getting the ball forward quicker. Do we give Ardley credit for the change, or do we wonder what might have been if he had seen what most on here seemed to see and done it much earlier?
Both

[Elite_Pie]

Of course you give him credit. If you slate the manager when it’s not working you have to credit him when he changed things and it works out.

The point was did he change it too late? How many points might we have wasted? And reading post #115, was it his decision to change our style or did it come from the players?

I'm not meaning to be negative after a deserved win, but I think these are perfectly valid questions.

[jackal2]

That was a proper 3-5-2 formation, with the wing backs doing more attacking than defending. We looked much more solid and didn't allow Yeovil to create any clear cut chances. We look far better abandoning the tippy-tappy stuff across the back and getting the ball forward quicker. Do we give Ardley credit for the change, or do we wonder what might have been if he had seen what most on here seemed to see and done it much earlier?

If 3-5-2 is now the preference, let's hope the manager sticks with it. The players need a consistent set-up that the whole squad can get to know, where even if the personnel has to change for injuries or rest, the player coming in already knows what their role is.

[Elite_Pie]

We do all we can to never give Ardley credit no matter what happens, you know the rules.

Can be few complaints this evening, finally a game we started well, played well, fully deserved to win, and comfortable for last 15 mins. Everything we've been looking for.

Icing on the cake are two stunning goals and another clean sheet.

Well done lads........ oh and manager too I guess.

Ardleyball

So what would your answer be to these questions?


The point was did he change it too late? How many points might we have wasted? And reading post #115, was it his decision to change our style or did it come from the players?

[CamPie]

Now we get another win at Yeovil Tuesday night and go into the Cup weekend totally relaxed and full of confidence. Dover’s results must Shirley get expunged which gives us a game on Sutton - which may not be enough - but Wrexham, Stockport and Torquay have all beaten them so should really help us get a high play-off position.

[Evesham Pie]

First decent performance since Dagenham which was enjoyable to watch and we got a well deserved 3 points. When the line up was announced my heart sank, but what a difference some drive and energy can make, with our midfield not looking at all pedestrian today. As has already been said the wingbacks both played well with Barnett the pick, but Enzio surprised me with a decent defensive performance when needed but also still looking a handful up front. Ellis looks a player and is a decent addition.

I think we massively benefitted by abandoning the tippy tappy, and as a result played a lot more of the game in their half. Importantly, getting the ball forward quickly made it harder for them to organise and as a result we had more space and opportunity. Hopefully this represents a change in tactical approach by NA rather than just being a 1 game experiment.

I don't think we should get carried away as Yeovil looked poor defensively but the fact they didn't offer much up front was more to do with how we played.

After so many false dawns this season we now have to use this as a platform, rather than reverting to the Halifax and Kings Lynn performance levels.

But overall a job well done today.

[Warnocks Legends]

Much much better performance with two outstanding strikes. Barnett MOM for me with Enzio or JOB close behind. Reeves hit and miss, fantastic goal, an assist but lots of wasted passes too. Back 3 looks solid and seems the way to go. Wooton and Doyle both a little disappointing to me. Need to push on hard as Dover will almost certainly be expunged meaning we being either points or game on all above us. Well done Mr Ardley, had my doubts when I saw the teamsheet but happy to be proven wrong. COYP

[ALPIECINO]

Fair play to Enzio. Took to his wing back role like a duck to water. Richard Brindley's got his work cut out to oust him. The whole team put a proper shift in today. Only criticism I've got is Neil Ardley 's use of substitutes. Effiong was blowing out of his ass with twenty minutes to go, why not use all your assets..
PS special mention to Jim O'brien, ran his proverbials off all match. 👍👍

[CheltenhamPie]

Now we get another win at Yeovil Tuesday night and go into the Cup weekend totally relaxed and full of confidence. Dover’s results must Shirley get expunged which gives us a game on Sutton - which may not be enough - but Wrexham, Stockport and Torquay have all beaten them so should really help us get a high play-off position.

Regarding your post, it is high time that the National League issued a statement regarding the Decision taken by Dover. That would then confirm to other teams in the National League what action would be taken against them. Particularly Woking who, dependant on the F A trophy result next Saturday, may follow Dover.

[laddo]

So what would your answer be to these questions?

You give credit#balance

We've had all sorts of formation suggestions on here 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 , 3-5-2 and many more. We've had all sorts of player selection suggestions. Must play Knowles, Sam should play, where's the Wolfe man etc. We've also had plenty of comments saying how a new signing is instantly rubbish and shouldn't play.

If 3-5-2 with Enzio playing as a wingback suddenly works then yes he's changed it too late. Big IF, it's a lot easier as a fan on NCM than the manager for the obvious reasons.

Who's decision it was??? No idea, unless you are the manager or the players I'm not sure how any of us would know. Have we got a inside sauce? Let's say it was the management team.

Totally agree with jackal need to pick a system and stick to it, changing the personnel only. Too many formation changes this season trying to find consistency and it's been to our detriment IMO.

Anyway we've won, we deservedly won, we comfortably won. Everything everyone should want on here so should be a nice positive vibe this weekend on here. Will let others find negatives with questions such as that. I'll save those for when we next disappoint. Hopefully that isn't on Tuesday night.

Those fantastic long range strikes have left me feeling warm and fuzzy inside.

Enjoy your Saturday evening fellow pies should be a good one.

[Elite_Pie]

Anyway we've won, we deservedly won, we comfortably won. Everything everyone should want on here so should be a nice positive vibe this weekend on here. Will let others find negatives with questions such as that.

We seem to differ. You see a negative, I only see a perfectly reasonable question when discussing the game.

I'm delighted we played well and won, and will enjoy the three points to the max.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

We do all we can to never give Ardley credit no matter what happens, you know the rules.

Can be few complaints this evening, finally a game we started well, played well, fully deserved to win, and comfortable for last 15 mins. Everything we've been looking for.

Icing on the cake are two stunning goals and another clean sheet.

Well done lads........ oh and manager too I guess.

Ardleyball
You not having your steak tonight.?

[PedroTheFisherman66]

We seem to differ. You see a negative, I only see a perfectly reasonable question when discussing the game.

I'm delighted we played well and won, and will enjoy the three points to the max.

It was a sensible question but dont expect a sensible reply especially after we have won because all that has gone before is now forgotten.
I think Ardley indicated in the post match interview that his style of play is built on confidence and when the confidence returns so will Ardleyball.
Thats how I heard it but I was listening after just waking up..!
I just hope hes learnt a lesson and that it doesn't have to be just all about Ardleyball.
Yes hes left it to late but I would feel more confident in the event of a play off game if he can adopt a system incorporating both styles.
Great win !

[countygump]

It was a sensible question but dont expect a sensible reply especially after we have won because all that has gone before is now forgotten.
I think Ardley indicated in the post match interview that his style of play is built on confidence and when the confidence returns so will Ardleyball.
Thats how I heard it but I was listening after just waking up..!
I just hope hes learnt a lesson and that it doesn't have to be just all about Ardleyball.
Yes hes left it to late but I would feel more confident in the event of a play off game if he can adopt a system incorporating both styles.
Great win !



https://youtu.be/n29BspSdHyk

[Stan Marshall]

That was much better today. What impressed me most was the increased intensity which I’ve been requesting for some time. Barnett was another plus today although I do think he’s weak defensively.
I can now enjoy the rest of my weekend.
COYP 👍

[countygump]

https://youtu.be/o0V1EIBpTus

[matt_magpie]

I have more respect for him changing it on the players request, good leaders listen to their people. Tippy tappy worked for us last season but this season on the whole it hasn’t for various reasons. JOB looks like he’s rolling back the years proving age isn’t everything, Effiong now looks a decent signing with what he brings to the team as we wouldn’t be able to play so direct without him. If we can just find some consistency the next few games, get a few wins and then possibly having Roberts and Knight in the mix maybe we can actually put a real challenge down.

[countygump]

https://youtu.be/rwzkPwDnuCc

[countygump]

https://youtu.be/T08gXoGu-3U

[BigFatPie]

Improved performance and good win.

Do we look capable of winning the league?; no
Do we look capable of winning the playoffs?; also no.

We’ve scored loads of belters from outside the box, we still don’t look like we’re ever going to effectively get behind anyone. And still not enough legs in midfield. Yeovil were terrible, and we must be looking for 3 points on Tuesday.

[laddo]

It was a sensible question but dont expect a sensible reply especially after we have won because all that has gone before is now forgotten.
I think Ardley indicated in the post match interview that his style of play is built on confidence and when the confidence returns so will Ardleyball.
Thats how I heard it but I was listening after just waking up..!
I just hope hes learnt a lesson and that it doesn't have to be just all about Ardleyball.
Yes hes left it to late but I would feel more confident in the event of a play off game if he can adopt a system incorporating both styles.
Great win !

Nope not seen anyone forgetting all that's gone before. I'll have another look just in case I've missed it ;)

Just woken up? Missed the game or bored during it?

[laddo]

Improved performance and good win.

Do we look capable of winning the league?; no
Do we look capable of winning the playoffs?; also no.

We’ve scored loads of belters from outside the box, we still don’t look like we’re ever going to effectively get behind anyone. And still not enough legs in midfield. Yeovil were terrible, and we must be looking for 3 points on Tuesday.

Agree with all that.

Still play off bound as we have looked all season.

[matt_magpie]

Improved performance and good win.

Do we look capable of winning the league?; no
Do we look capable of winning the playoffs?; also no.

We’ve scored loads of belters from outside the box, we still don’t look like we’re ever going to effectively get behind anyone. And still not enough legs in midfield. Yeovil were terrible, and we must be looking for 3 points on Tuesday.

That’s why I would like to see Knight and Roberts, they could have a huge impact with stretching teams, but obviously Roberts needs to be fit and Knight needs to take the jump up in his stride. Thought the midfield was decent enough today but it’s just one game.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Nope not seen anyone forgetting all that's gone before. I'll have another look just in case I've missed it ;)

Just woken up? Missed the game or bored during it?
Working last night
I mean just flew in from st Lucia ......
Listened to the start but fell asleep intamitantly during the game.
The curse of jet lag....
Answer elites question ..I thought it was a very reasonable one , not negative,maybe an eye opener..
Let's hope we have not forgotten what's gone before and learn from our mistakes.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Working last night
I mean just flew in from st Lucia ......
Listened to the start but fell asleep intamitantly during the game.
The curse of jet lag....
Answer elites question ..I thought it was a very reasonable one , not negative,maybe an eye opener..
Let's hope we have not forgotten what's gone before and learn from our mistakes.

Sorry that sounded rude..!
Answer elites question..apologies.
I meant you should have answered elites question
Xxxx

[SwalePie]

I have more respect for him changing it on the players request, good leaders listen to their people. Tippy tappy worked for us last season but this season on the whole it hasn’t for various reasons. JOB looks like he’s rolling back the years proving age isn’t everything, Effiong now looks a decent signing with what he brings to the team as we wouldn’t be able to play so direct without him. If we can just find some consistency the next few games, get a few wins and then possibly having Roberts and Knight in the mix maybe we can actually put a real challenge down.

When was it said that they had changed the system at the players' request? Genuine question as I have only read it on here and not heard it in interviews etc.

[TSANHO]

Fair play to the manager and players today, a much improved all round performance. We actually had some bite and cohesion in the side, greatly helped by the re-inclusion of JOB!

I’m just happy to have seen a decent performance, they gotta back it up now on Tuesday!

[matt_magpie]

When was it said that they had changed the system at the players' request? Genuine question as I have only read it on here and not heard it in interviews etc.

Drillerpie said earlier but I’ve now listened and it comes across more it was a joint decision, basically saying compete first and then earn the right to get it down and play, I.e when confidence is there. Also says we aren’t the type of team that’s going to play a scrapping game as other teams better than us.

[laddo]

Working last night
I mean just flew in from st Lucia ......
Listened to the start but fell asleep intamitantly during the game.
The curse of jet lag....
Answer elites question ..I thought it was a very reasonable one , not negative,maybe an eye opener..
Let's hope we have not forgotten what's gone before and learn from our mistakes.

Answered as usual, looks like jet lag still having an impact.

I had another for anyone who had forgotten all that's gone before and nothing. Just made up then, glad you changed your tune ;)

[laddo]

Sorry that sounded rude..!
Answer elites question..apologies.
I meant you should have answered elites question
Xxxx

Another post about it so soon? So persistent XD. Don't worry petal just look earlier on the thread and all questions answered.

Very protective awwww

Well done Notts, well done lads and well done Neal.

Now don't let us down with defeat on Tuesday. I'd take a draw after today's result but no reason we can't win again.

[maddogslater]

I won't be happy with anything less than a win, Ardley is still on thin ice for me.

[SwalePie]

I think it will be extremely interesting to see the starting line up on Tuesday. A win would be great, a draw would be a good result in normal times but if we're to truly mount a challenge we need to string some wins together right about now methinks.

[CheltenhamPie]

I think it will be extremely interesting to see the starting line up on Tuesday. A win would be great, a draw would be a good result in normal times but if we're to truly mount a challenge we need to string some wins together right about now methinks.

Given the result today Swale, and the way we comfortably won, I will be very disappointed if we don’t come away with all Three points,

[crazyfists]

Really happy with the three points especially for the players and Ardley to give them some belief. Good performance and another unbeaten so let's keep it going!

COYP

[LaxtonLad]

If 3-5-2 is now the preference, let's hope the manager sticks with it. The players need a consistent set-up that the whole squad can get to know, where even if the personnel has to change for injuries or rest, the player coming in already knows what their role is.

Exactly so, jackal2. If Ardley thinks the 3-5-2 is working then the players need to practice that and no other. Players will adapt this system if they see it works, they know their limitations but they can learn. We have seen how the high-press has been used against us to good effect so lets see if we can combat that by starting games on the front foot rather than tapping the ball around in our half, tempting disaster. So many teams have only one game-plan and find it difficult to change their style half-way through a game. The enemy won't be so keen to commit midfield players forward if they are outflanked by black and white legends from the start. They don't like it up 'em.

[nw6pie]

I think it will be extremely interesting to see the starting line up on Tuesday. A win would be great, a draw would be a good result in normal times but if we're to truly mount a challenge we need to string some wins together right about now methinks.

Yeovil looked very poor today, so I’d be disappointed if we don’t pick up three more points on Tuesday. I assume Turner will start in place of Lacey, maybe DKE in place of Enzio. Tuesday may also be a chance to rotate in midfield - ideally resting Doyle, but I’ll believe that when I see it. We’ll also need to change things up top - maybe Knowles for Effiong.

[maddogslater]

I'd keep the team the same except DKE in midfield for Doyle

[applepie]

I'd keep the team the same except DKE in midfield for Doyle

A nice idea; I’ve wondered how DKE would do in midfield. He’d be like a terrier and give the opposition no rest.

[laddo]

The lineup will indeed be interesting.

Recent talk on here of not changing a winning side, you don't change a winning side!! However as nw6 suggests I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of changes with the game only being a couple of days away.

Turner for Lacey is a straight swap so no issue but Knowles and Effiong are polar opposites. I'd suggest it's hard to have the same approach when playing one or the other of those two when their strengths and weaknesses are so different.

[Elite_Pie]

Exactly so, jackal2. If Ardley thinks the 3-5-2 is working then the players need to practice that and no other.

I don't think the formation is that crucial. I think the main reason that we look a better team is that we are finally going more direct instead of pissing about with sideways and backwards passes in our own half. Whether it's 3-5-2, 4-4-2, or 4-3-2-1 I am convinced the squad we have is better suited to getting the ball forward quickly rather than the unproductive tippy-tappy style we have tried to play for most of the season. This is Notts County in the National League, not Barcelona in the Champions League.

[countygump]

Wobbly rocket?

Did it hit a defenders hands?


https://twitter.com/i/status/1373301960674312196


Thunderbolt:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1373313597481349121

[Glad2BeAPie]

Wobbly rocket?

Did it hit a defenders hands?


https://twitter.com/i/status/1373301960674312196


Thunderbolt:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1373313597481349121

It hit the back of the net, that's all that matters

[SwalePie]

Wobbly rocket?

Did it hit a defenders hands?


https://twitter.com/i/status/1373301960674312196


Thunderbolt:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1373313597481349121

Very hard to tell from that. From the Barnett one it also looks like it may have taken a deflection. The more I watch the Reeves one, especially the side view in the comments, the less it looks deflected.

Who cares anyway, both excellent strikes that hit the onion bag! :)

COYP!

[countygump]

Very hard to tell from that. From the Barnett one it also looks like it may have taken a deflection. The more I watch the Reeves one, especially the side view in the comments, the less it looks deflected.

Who cares anyway, both excellent strikes that hit the onion bag! :)

COYP!

This is a better vid:


https://twitter.com/i/status/1373313977162293255

[SwalePie]

This is a better vid:


https://twitter.com/i/status/1373313977162293255

That's better. What a hit!

[drillerpie]

I don't think the formation is that crucial. I think the main reason that we look a better team is that we are finally going more direct instead of pissing about with sideways and backwards passes in our own half. Whether it's 3-5-2, 4-4-2, or 4-3-2-1 I am convinced the squad we have is better suited to getting the ball forward quickly rather than the unproductive tippy-tappy style we have tried to play for most of the season. This is Notts County in the National League, not Barcelona in the Champions League.

I completely agree. I've listened to his interview again and he didn't mention the players' meeting explicitly, but he said something along the lines of 'we got together (not clear who 'we' is) and decided it wasn't working.

Having listened to NA a lot for the past few years, he has always talked about playing 'the right way', every loss or bad peformance was because we didn't follow the patterns of play enough, even when they were clearly because we followed them too much, so I still think this must have come from the players, or at least from someone close to NA, but not NA.

Another clue is that the change in tactics coincided with a massive uptick in work rate. It's much easier to get players to run their knackers off when they buy into what they're being asked.

I know it was 'only' Yeovil but I'm feeling very optimistic again now. That was the kind of win that good teams get - not winning when you should lose but don't because the opposition can't finish.

[uysapie]

I think it will be extremely interesting to see the starting line up on Tuesday. A win would be great, a draw would be a good result in normal times but if we're to truly mount a challenge we need to string some wins together right about now methinks.

It will be interesting to see if we maintain the tactics from today.

[SwalePie]

It will be interesting to see if we maintain the tactics from today.

Agreed. I have a suspicion we won't play the same way.

[uysapie]

Agreed. I have a suspicion we won't play the same way.

Morning Swale. I just hope we do not "play for the point"!

[the_anticlough]

It will be interesting to see if we maintain the tactics from today.

I don't think he has any other choice at the moment - the players wouldn't relish going back to tippy tappy

The league's on notice now and won't be preparing their high presses any more. The focus will be on exploiting the spaces behind the wing backs (or confusing the 3 CBs)...

When this happens, the answer here is not to move away from players like Enzio. It's about the back three sliding over, the likes of Rawlo and Lacey filling in as full backs and 1 from the midfield or the other wing-back covering.

And NA has to re-stamp his authority and be able to go to 4-2-3-1 from 3-5-2 whenever he thinks it's needed. Teams will work this out and be ready, and we have to keep them guessing.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Another post about it so soon? So persistent XD. Don't worry petal just look earlier on the thread and all questions answered.

Very protective awwww

Well done Notts, well done lads and well done Neal.

Now don't let us down with defeat on Tuesday. I'd take a draw after today's result but no reason we can't win again.

Apologies again..
Having re- read your reply you did indeed answer the question posed.
I hope you enjoyed your steak
Xxxxxxx

[KintoreMagpie]

A nice idea; I’ve wondered how DKE would do in midfield. He’d be like a terrier and give the opposition no rest.

Interesting idea, but I would be a bit concerned that he would have to make a few more tackles in that position and it increases the chances of a mis-timed one and consequent early bath.

So much better yesterday than the turgid football seen of late. Started on the right foot and, just when it looked as though things were slightly going off the boil, a great strike from JR. Whilst Yeovil did come out at the start of the second half somewhat brighter I was surprised at how little real threat they posed given that they have improved so much since their poor early season. Credit to the players for keeping Yeovil under control and they seem to be settling into the 5-3-2 (or 3-5-2) system. Special commendation to JO and I like the look of Mark Ellis. Nice to have someone able to deliver a long throw. I enjoy the thought of an opposing fan watching the game and chewing their nails whenever Notts have the opportunity of throwing the ball into the danger area!

Need another assured display on Tuesday evening and a further 3 points.

[laddo]

Apologies again..
Having re- read your reply you did indeed answer the question posed.
I hope you enjoyed your steak
Xxxxxxx

Apology accepted, some times it worth double checking before double posting about something ;)

No steak this time it was a delicious tapas platter accompanied by a nice bottle of Spanish white to celebrate the win.

Only a few glasses mind#babysteps


Interesting to hear the manager's reasoning for Enzio instead of DKE at wing back for the home game with Yeovil.

[BanjoPie]

I completely agree. I've listened to his interview again and he didn't mention the players' meeting explicitly, but he said something along the lines of 'we got together (not clear who 'we' is) and decided it wasn't working.

Having listened to NA a lot for the past few years, he has always talked about playing 'the right way', every loss or bad peformance was because we didn't follow the patterns of play enough, even when they were clearly because we followed them too much, so I still think this must have come from the players, or at least from someone close to NA, but not NA.

Another clue is that the change in tactics coincided with a massive uptick in work rate. It's much easier to get players to run their knackers off when they buy into what they're being asked.

I know it was 'only' Yeovil but I'm feeling very optimistic again now. That was the kind of win that good teams get - not winning when you should lose but don't because the opposition can't finish.

Did the order to change tactics come from above!!

[laddo]

I don't think he has any other choice at the moment - the players wouldn't relish going back to tippy tappy

The league's on notice now and won't be preparing their high presses any more. The focus will be on exploiting the spaces behind the wing backs (or confusing the 3 CBs)...

When this happens, the answer here is not to move away from players like Enzio. It's about the back three sliding over, the likes of Rawlo and Lacey filling in as full backs and 1 from the midfield or the other wing-back covering.

And NA has to re-stamp his authority and be able to go to 4-2-3-1 from 3-5-2 whenever he thinks it's needed. Teams will work this out and be ready, and we have to keep them guessing.

Agree anticlough's quick analysis certainly takes some time on the training ground for the defensive players to be truly comfortable with 3-5-2 and how to maintain shape and fill gaps (as you identified) when the opposition exploit the obvious areas when a team adopts 3 centre halves.

That's always the problem at this level and above the darned opposition managers tactically change things just as you've sorted your own house out on the tactics side of things. Never as straightforward as most fans think it is.

[countygump]

That's better. What a hit!

And this one :



https://twitter.com/i/status/1373301854755504128

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Apology accepted, some times it worth double checking before double posting about something ;)

No steak this time it was a delicious tapas platter accompanied by a nice bottle of Spanish white to celebrate the win.

Only a few glasses mind#babysteps


Interesting to hear the manager's reasoning for Enzio instead of DKE at wing back for the home game with Yeovil.

The double post was another apology, I thought I was a bit rude on how I wrote the first question. I didn't mean it like that.hence the double post..
One of the virtues of reading and posting when your tired I think.

[drillerpie]

Did the order to change tactics come from above!!

Maybe. The 'we' must mean either he and the backroom staff, he and the players, or he and the owners.

[the_anticlough]

Interesting to hear the manager's reasoning for Enzio instead of DKE at wing back for the home game with Yeovil.

It was very refreshing, but obvious really. If half of your outfield players are defenders, you are going to spend most of the game defending.
IMO he's stumbled on the players, or types of player to play wide in a 3-5-2, home and away.

[laddo]

Well of course he accidentally stumbled across it ;D

Not seen too many suggestions or any tbh on here of Enzio making a decent wing back.

[countygump]

https://youtu.be/5Ld1VPRLHWI

[laddo]

Magical setup from Reeves. He can be as wayward with his passing as he likes as long as he hits free kicks like that and little clever layoffs like that during the game.

[Biker9999]

Did the order to change tactics come from above!!

Sorry to be a kill joy but after that win I think we are in a deeper mess. Whether the order to change tactics came from above or it was player power from below it's not good. The fact there are problems with the team and tactics have been painfully obvious for months, the fact we are in the promotion race reflects the quality of the squad not the managers tactical ability. If player power is now dictating tactics Ardley is a lost cause. Owners please move him on so when either we fail to get promotion or scrape through we have got a Manager who is able to take us forward.

[SwalePie]

If player power is now dictating tactics Ardley is a lost cause. .

The critical word here is 'if'. Personally I don't believe the rumour.

[upthemaggies]

The critical word here is 'if'. Personally I don't believe the rumour.

Charlie Slater pressed the point that Ardley's pitch side demeanour was quite different on Saturday very soon after kick-off - that he was sat down rather than trying to coach from the touchline. In the post match, Ardley said that the team looked as though they knew what they were doing (or words to that effect) and so he left them to it. But coming so soon after the well publicised team meeting and poor performances of late, it does look suspiciously as though Ardely has at least had less of a say on how the team approached the game on Saturday than would normally be the case.

It's probably not *that* unusual, that, after a run of bad results, sub-par displays and heated exchanges in the dressing room or on the training ground, the manager says "OK let's do it your way and see how you get on". It might work for a game or two until the manager has to re-assert himself when the players realise they need to have more of a game plan. Though whether or not Ardley is the man to fulfil that role effectively is another matter.

[Kelton]

Sorry to be a kill joy but after that win I think we are in a deeper mess. Whether the order to change tactics came from above or it was player power from below it's not good. The fact there are problems with the team and tactics have been painfully obvious for months, the fact we are in the promotion race reflects the quality of the squad not the managers tactical ability. If player power is now dictating tactics Ardley is a lost cause. Owners please move him on so when either we fail to get promotion or scrape through we have got a Manager who is able to take us forward.

2 defeats in 15 matches in 2021
Yes its a real crisis
Get a grip

[LaxtonLad]

https://youtu.be/5Ld1VPRLHWI

Nice to see good shooting techniques there, both players keeping their heads down at the shot. We've seen many a Premier League player lean back as they shoot, it may give the shot more power but the ball usually goes flying high. Reeves' goal and assist spot on.

[the_anticlough]

Not seen too many suggestions or any tbh on here of Enzio making a decent wing back.

No, Ardley deserves credit for that pick.

Even in that win though, with Enzio doing really well, I noticed the lad from 'Notts County Talk' say Rawlinson was left 'exposed'. This is the kind of response which will mean Enzio will be the first target when 3-5-2 suffers a couple of setbacks.

For me, Enzio has already shown that he can play that role in 3-5-2. Not so, Rawlinson, in his new role.
And being one of the wide defenders in a back 3 is different to centre-back in a 4. You will have to cover out wide and be an outlet for possession on that side. That's why I think full-backs can be considered for those roles too.

I'm happy for Ardley to ride with the 3-5-2 as long as it's earning us points. But I don't want or expect him to stick with it all the way into the play-offs. I don't think we have the players for it really.

[laddo]

Agree with all that. It's very different as a CB going from 2 CBs to 3 as you say, less structure, more space, more discipline needed.

Too early for me to judge how Enzio , Rawlinson etc will perform long term in their new roles.

Also interesting to see whether a fit and available Roberts (if that happens again this season) fits into a 3-5-2 and whether it would work. Could Rodders play in that 3?

As you say definitely shouldn't stick with any one formation, nice two have two well rehearsed options for the players depending on player availability, form, and how the opposition combat it etc.

It's not as simple as some make out.

[the_anticlough]

Agree with all that. It's very different as a CB going from 2 CBs to 3 as you say, less structure, more space, more discipline needed.

Too early for me to judge how Enzio , Rawlinson etc will perform long term in their new roles.

Also interesting to see whether a fit and available Roberts (if that happens again this season) fits into a 3-5-2 and whether it would work. Could Rodders play in that 3?

As you say definitely shouldn't stick with any one formation, nice two have two well rehearsed options for the players depending on player availability, form, and how the opposition combat it etc.

It's not as simple as some make out.

Good point on Roberts. It's not an easy formation for him to slot into

For me, another thing to consider is the route to promotion, which if we're going to go up is most likely to be via a Wembley game against a good side on a hot summer's day (so Harrogate game revisited).

What we'll need for that is RUNNING.
3-5-2 means you have 2 guys asked to run too much (wing backs having to get up and down that big Wembley pitch) and 3 guys out of the team (centre-backs) not running at all, apart from having to move laterally to cover out wide (Turner again? Rawlo for that?). Also we could ill-afford playing old men in central midfield at Wembley in June.

Bearing in mind that promotion for Notts probably means winning that particular Wembley game against the likes of Hartlepool, Stockport, Halifax...I think we'll need a team like this

Slocombe
Kelly-Evans Rawlinson Lacey Barnett
Rodrigues Reeves O'Brien
Boldewijn Wootton Roberts

So yeah, 3-5-2 is great for now, but by then I think we'll need a different line up to inject some running and definitely different personnel to that disastrous Harrogate game

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Sorry to be a kill joy but after that win I think we are in a deeper mess. Whether the order to change tactics came from above or it was player power from below it's not good. The fact there are problems with the team and tactics have been painfully obvious for months, the fact we are in the promotion race reflects the quality of the squad not the managers tactical ability. If player power is now dictating tactics Ardley is a lost cause. Owners please move him on so when either we fail to get promotion or scrape through we have got a Manager who is able to take us forward.

This in a nutshell...

[countygump]

Sorry to be a kill joy but after that win I think we are in a deeper mess. Whether the order to change tactics came from above or it was player power from below it's not good. The fact there are problems with the team and tactics have been painfully obvious for months, the fact we are in the promotion race reflects the quality of the squad not the managers tactical ability. If player power is now dictating tactics Ardley is a lost cause. Owners please move him on so when either we fail to get promotion or scrape through we have got a Manager who is able to take us forward.




This in a nutshell...


These in 2 nutshells^^^

[laddo]

Sorry to be a kill joy but after that win I think we are in a deeper mess. Whether the order to change tactics came from above or it was player power from below it's not good. The fact there are problems with the team and tactics have been painfully obvious for months, the fact we are in the promotion race reflects the quality of the squad not the managers tactical ability. If player power is now dictating tactics Ardley is a lost cause. Owners please move him on so when either we fail to get promotion or scrape through we have got a Manager who is able to take us forward.

He's not sorry at all XD

[forwardmagpie]

These in 2 nutshells^^^

^^
More nutshells added

[ancientpie]

All nuts to me, I thought we got a good result. :confused:

[ncfcog]

Really good comments about the 3 CB's in a 352. The ideal solution here would be Brindley getting fit asap. That would be the right sided CB sorted because he can easily play both FB and CB. I also think Barnett could do the same job on the left of a back 3 with Miller in front of him, then you have a choice of 4 CB's for that middle spot.

When you think about it we have so many options all over the field now that there shouldn't be a single system we cannot cope with . . . over to you Neal.

[the_anticlough]

Really good comments about the 3 CB's in a 352. The ideal solution here would be Brindley getting fit asap. That would be the right sided CB sorted because he can easily play both FB and CB. I also think Barnett could do the same job on the left of a back 3 with Miller in front of him, then you have a choice of 4 CB's for that middle spot.

When you think about it we have so many options all over the field now that there shouldn't be a single system we cannot cope with . . . over to you Neal.

Great shout re the possibility of Brindley playing there.
Everyone thought Pedro was a full-back and he became one of the best central defenders in the top flight...

Barnett though I'd leave where he is - even his wiki profile says he's a midfielder (as well as a full-back).
Another candidate for that side might be McCrory, when he's finally fit?

[ncfcog]

Great shout re the possibility of Brindley playing there.
Everyone thought Pedro was a full-back and he became one of the best central defenders in the top flight...

Barnett though I'd leave where he is - even his wiki profile says he's a midfielder (as well as a full-back).
Another candidate for that side might be McCrory, when he's finally fit?

Yes, I forgot about McCrory, good shout . . . assuming he's fit!

[for*sttown63]

Really good comments about the 3 CB's in a 352. The ideal solution here would be Brindley getting fit asap. That would be the right sided CB sorted because he can easily play both FB and CB. I also think Barnett could do the same job on the left of a back 3 with Miller in front of him, then you have a choice of 4 CB's for that middle spot.

When you think about it we have so many options all over the field now that there shouldn't be a single system we cannot cope with . . . over to you Neal.

When he's fit I think Brindley would be ideal....thought he looked very comfortable at CB in the pre-season games!

[ncfcog]

When he's fit I think Brindley would be ideal....thought he looked very comfortable at CB in the pre-season games!

Has a bit of everything, like you say just needs to stay fit.

[Old_pie]

Charlie Slater pressed the point that Ardley's pitch side demeanour was quite different on Saturday very soon after kick-off - that he was sat down rather than trying to coach from the touchline. In the post match, Ardley said that the team looked as though they knew what they were doing (or words to that effect) and so he left them to it. But coming so soon after the well publicised team meeting and poor performances of late, it does look suspiciously as though Ardely has at least had less of a say on how the team approached the game on Saturday than would normally be the case.

It's probably not *that* unusual, that, after a run of bad results, sub-par displays and heated exchanges in the dressing room or on the training ground, the manager says "OK let's do it your way and see how you get on". It might work for a game or two until the manager has to re-assert himself when the players realise they need to have more of a game plan. Though whether or not Ardley is the man to fulfil that role effectively is another matter.

Nobody likes to be micro-managed and it is not effective. I suspect that NA, himself feeling the pressure, thought he was being constructive in giving lots of instruction/help from the touchline. It's not easy for anyone to understand fully what is being said in the heat of battle and I suspect the players were getting confused and hesitant especially if Doyle/captain was saying something different. If that is the case then making it clear is a good and overdue move.

[matt_magpie]

I believe 3-5-2 has come about more due to what players are available as Ardley did elude to as part of the reason. We only have one fit full back in my opinion who is a natural defender and that’s DKE. Ardleys already said 3-5-2 probably won’t last, it’s basically a set up just to go more direct at teams and take away the need to knock it around as confidence was shot.
The manager and players have to take credit for the last 3 games, as all that mattered was getting points on the board and morale up. If we can add Roberts and Knight in the last 10 plus games then we will look a different team again.

[LaxtonLad]

Sorry to be a kill joy but after that win I think we are in a deeper mess. Whether the order to change tactics came from above or it was player power from below it's not good. The fact there are problems with the team and tactics have been painfully obvious for months, the fact we are in the promotion race reflects the quality of the squad not the managers tactical ability. If player power is now dictating tactics Ardley is a lost cause. Owners please move him on so when either we fail to get promotion or scrape through we have got a Manager who is able to take us forward.

You think we wouldn't be in such a deep mess if we had lost? We'd better lose a few more then - just to be safe.

[matt_magpie]

You think we wouldn't be in such a deep mess if we had lost? We'd better lose a few more then - just to be safe.

Exactly, there are teams in this league with decent squads and budgets and doing no better than us. Its not been great lately but we’re still in it and for all the Ardley haters, he will be here till the end of the season, if you don’t like it write to the owners.

[Elite_Pie]

Ardleys already said 3-5-2 probably won’t last, it’s basically a set up just to go more direct at teams and take away the need to knock it around as confidence was shot.

I don't think the formation is especially critical, the key words are "GO MORE DIRECT". In my humble opinion it utilises the qualities we have in the squad where the tippy-tappy style negates them.

[Elite_Pie]

Exactly, there are teams in this league with decent squads and budgets and doing no better than us. Its not been great lately but we’re still in it and for all the Ardley haters, he will be here till the end of the season, if you don’t like it write to the owners.

Calling people "Ardley haters" is a bit silly. I have zero confidence that he is the manager to take us forward, but that's as far as it goes.

[matt_magpie]

I don't think the formation is especially critical, the key words are "GO MORE DIRECT". In my humble opinion it utilises the qualities we have in the squad where the tippy-tappy style negates them.

It enables you to go more direct if the WBs are pushed on as you’re basically playing with 3 defenders then and get an extra man forward. I agree we had to go direct because confidence was shot but with players we have it’s not totally suited and tbf neither is tippy tappy at the mo. When it was working last season we had Thomas who could actually take the ball into feet and also get behind and also get Roberts in 1v1s which often dragged players out of position. I think most of our issues this season have been upfront, the difference it makes for a player to offer for the ball and hold it up takes pressure off the team and obviously getting a goal early on makes a massive difference confidence wise. I’m probably pinning my hopes on Knight and Roberts too much, but they are the type of players I think that will push teams back.

[laddo]

Calling people "Ardley haters" is a bit silly. I have zero confidence that he is the manager to take us forward, but that's as far as it goes.

#balancenotbias

[matt_magpie]

Calling people "Ardley haters" is a bit silly. I have zero confidence that he is the manager to take us forward, but that's as far as it goes.

Didn’t say you Elite, but I think there are enough who would gladly admit it, then there are the dissatisfied ones and the rest are probably on the fence, previously pro but discouraged from the last couple of months. My point is it’s getting repetitive, to the point people saying the players are now running the show. If people feel that strongly they should be really aiming their dissatisfaction at the owners, as if Ardley really is that bad, then he can’t help that but the owners can do something about it and it’s them that are most at fault.

[uysapie]

Didn’t say you Elite, but I think there are enough who would gladly admit it, then there are the dissatisfied ones and the rest are probably on the fence, previously pro but discouraged from the last couple of months. My point is it’s getting repetitive, to the point people saying the players are now running the show. If people feel that strongly they should be really aiming their dissatisfaction at the owners, as if Ardley really is that bad, then he can’t help that but the owners can do something about it and it’s them that are most at fault.

nothing personal against Ardley but, from the outset, I did not think that he was the manager to take us forward and I remain of the opinion.

[drillerpie]

Didn’t say you Elite, but I think there are enough who would gladly admit it, then there are the dissatisfied ones and the rest are probably on the fence, previously pro but discouraged from the last couple of months. My point is it’s getting repetitive, to the point people saying the players are now running the show. If people feel that strongly they should be really aiming their dissatisfaction at the owners, as if Ardley really is that bad, then he can’t help that but the owners can do something about it and it’s them that are most at fault.

You might be over thinking it. There has definitely been a rethink of playing style, and Ardley has confirmed there was some outside input with his 'we got together' comment.

Maybe people are not Ardley haters, and are aiming criticisms at Ardley because they are justified, and there is no reason to start hounding the owners. It could be as simple as that.

[laddo]

nothing personal against Ardley but, from the outset, I did not think that he was the manager to take us forward and I remain of the opinion.

Tbf only a few people on here have made it personal about the manager, which was both needless and laughable.

The vast majority who are critical of him simply just don't rate him which is fair enough. I've not rated many Notts managers during my time as a supporter.

Anyone currently hounding or criticising the owners need to have a rethink.

[LaxtonLad]

Exactly, there are teams in this league with decent squads and budgets and doing no better than us. Its not been great lately but we’re still in it and for all the Ardley haters, he will be here till the end of the season, if you don’t like it write to the owners.

I don't actually hate Ardley as a person - I just think he's crap as a manager, lucky to still be here and I wish he were gone.

[laddo]

I think people are taking the term "Ardley Haters" a little too literally.

I can't speak for Matt but I doubt he meant that people actually hate him. He's probably talking about the ones who repeat the same comments complaints, criticism and jokes against the manager ad nauseam.

You've probably spotted one of two this season and last ;D

Is there anyone on here that actually hates him as a person? I severely doubt it, seems a really nice genuine guy. Not very hateable at all.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

I think people are taking the term "Ardley Haters" a little too literally.

I can't speak for Matt but I doubt he meant that people actually hate him. He's probably talking about the ones who repeat the same comments complaints, criticism and jokes against the manager ad nauseam.

You've probably spotted one of two this season and last ;D

Is there anyone on here that actually hates him as a person? I severely doubt it, seems a really nice genuine guy. Not very hateable at all.

It would be nice if Matt actually explained what he meant by haters..!?
Your last paragraph sums it up nicely.

[laddo]

I'd guess he means Anti-Ardley , or maybe he means the people who called him a pr@t or a t0ol or other similar insults. Thankfully those days seem like a distant memory now, the board has clearly got its act together and is much improved.

It's great to see, and personally speaking I'm delighted. Long may it continue :)

[Killerkline]

To some extent I agree with Matt. I’ve stated before, in my opinion, there is an element of posters that seem to enjoy bad performances/results and get quite personal with the criticism of NA. However, when things go well or better, no credit isn’t given to NA.

There are those that are critical, the criticism is based of facts and is correct.

[ncfcog]

Football is a highly emotive game and for fans it's often very difficult not to lose your sh1t over a player or manager who has left you feeling frustrated. I always try to find some level ground with any comments or analysis and if criticism is required ensure that there is some way to back it up. That said we are fans first and for me no amount of facts, stats or evidence to the contrary will stop me moaning or screaming my disapproval whether that be at a game or as we are now having to watch via a stream. We can also be very hypocritical but that happens again when you are watching something as it happens. Against Yeovil I did nothing but moan about Reeves' distribution and positioning, it was really winding me up but then he scored a fantastic free kick and then set up the second with a really intelligent flick and all was forgiven again, it's just the way it is. All I will say is I do draw a line when it comes to personal abuse, it's really not necessary.

[bouncingoffthewalls]

Football is a highly emotive game and for fans it's often very difficult not to lose your sh1t over a player or manager who has left you feeling frustrated. I always try to find some level ground with any comments or analysis and if criticism is required ensure that there is some way to back it up. That said we are fans first and for me no amount of facts, stats or evidence to the contrary will stop me moaning or screaming my disapproval whether that be at a game or as we are now having to watch via a stream. We can also be very hypocritical but that happens again when you are watching something as it happens. Against Yeovil I did nothing but moan about Reeves' distribution and positioning, it was really winding me up but then he scored a fantastic free kick and then set up the second with a really intelligent flick and all was forgiven again, it's just the way it is. All I will say is I do draw a line when it comes to personal abuse, it's really not necessary.

Really well put

[matt_magpie]

To some extent I agree with Matt. I’ve stated before, in my opinion, there is an element of posters that seem to enjoy bad performances/results and get quite personal with the criticism of NA. However, when things go well or better, no credit isn’t given to NA.

There are those that are critical, the criticism is based of facts and is correct.

Exactly, haters may seem strong but it was used loosely. The amount of posts now at times fabricating what he’s said, ignoring what he said, linking every negative part of games directly to him, turning every situation around to heap more negatives on to him, ie player power, unrest in the camp the list goes on. I just think it’s a bit unbalanced to say the least. I’m probably now right on the fence but it’s my view our squad aren’t world beaters not even in this league. We have a decent squad, it’s not like the Munto team with players playing a division or 2 below themselves just waiting for a decent manager to come in. My view is it’s just getting so negative when there are positives, we are in the race, players are working their socks off, the manager does try to change things. I would say we’re doing no worse than others with similar budgets/squads, but then again it’s a game of opinions.

[drillerpie]

The amount of posts now at times fabricating what he’s said, ignoring what he said, linking every negative part of games directly to him, turning every situation around to heap more negatives on to him, ie player power, unrest in the camp the list goes on. I just think it’s a bit unbalanced to say the least.


IMO there are no more posts like that than there are posts exonerating him from any blame whatsoever for the situation we are in.




it’s not like the Munto team with players playing a division or 2 below themselves just waiting for a decent manager to come in.

They're not Munto standard, I'll grant you that, but are you sure about the rest of that sentence?

[drillerpie]

Football is a highly emotive game and for fans it's often very difficult not to lose your sh1t over a player or manager who has left you feeling frustrated. I always try to find some level ground with any comments or analysis and if criticism is required ensure that there is some way to back it up. That said we are fans first and for me no amount of facts, stats or evidence to the contrary will stop me moaning or screaming my disapproval whether that be at a game or as we are now having to watch via a stream. We can also be very hypocritical but that happens again when you are watching something as it happens. Against Yeovil I did nothing but moan about Reeves' distribution and positioning, it was really winding me up but then he scored a fantastic free kick and then set up the second with a really intelligent flick and all was forgiven again, it's just the way it is. All I will say is I do draw a line when it comes to personal abuse, it's really not necessary.


Well put. I especially agree with the last sentence. I've seen it happen with previous managers and it's not pleasant, even with ones I didn't particularly rate (Keith Curle springs to mind).

Thankfully (for my faith in my fellow Notts fans) that hasn't happened with NA.

[Killerkline]

Football is a highly emotive game and for fans it's often very difficult not to lose your sh1t over a player or manager who has left you feeling frustrated. I always try to find some level ground with any comments or analysis and if criticism is required ensure that there is some way to back it up. That said we are fans first and for me no amount of facts, stats or evidence to the contrary will stop me moaning or screaming my disapproval whether that be at a game or as we are now having to watch via a stream. We can also be very hypocritical but that happens again when you are watching something as it happens. Against Yeovil I did nothing but moan about Reeves' distribution and positioning, it was really winding me up but then he scored a fantastic free kick and then set up the second with a really intelligent flick and all was forgiven again, it's just the way it is. All I will say is I do draw a line when it comes to personal abuse, it's really not necessary.

Agree with the above and I was certainly animated, more negative than positive, during the Yeovil match.

Emotions do run high during a game and in the immediate aftermath. I accept this, but there needs to be an element of balance when times moved on and the game becomes recent history.

For example. Even if someone instructed NA to change the formation, he deserves credit for taking on board that advice and implementing.

[laddo]

IMO there are no more posts like that than there are posts exonerating him from any blame whatsoever for the situation we are in.

I know everyone has an opinion and it's obviously subjective but that statement isn't even close to the truth, it couldn't be further from the truth. It can't see the truth, it doesn't even know what the truth looks like.

[drillerpie]

I know everyone has an opinion and it's obviously subjective but that statement isn't even close to the truth, it couldn't be further from the truth. It can't see the truth, it doesn't even know what the truth looks like.

To clarify - I said posts, not posters, and I stand by that.

[Elite_Pie]

Exactly, haters may seem strong but it was used loosely.

The term 'Ardley doubters' might be more apt. That can range from serious doubters like me, to mild doubters like you.

[laddo]

To clarify - I said posts, not posters, and I stand by that.

Post or posters it doesn't matter. It's not even close and those two words/things are directly linked. There is a strong correlation between the two.

Saying that it's a football message board of course there is going to be far more negative posts than positive ones especially when you are talking about a club in the 5th and before that 4th tier. Only in the rare seasons of success or relative success is it going to be close.

[drillerpie]

Post or posters it doesn't matter.

Yes it does matter. There are a small number of posters who write a very large number of pro Ardley posts.

[laddo]

Yes it does matter. There are a small number of posters who write a very large number of pro Ardley posts.

There are you can count them comfortably on one hand. You are going to have to ask a friend or family member to help you count the Anti Ardley posters some of them are equally enthusiastic. You know this, you read the board.

[ancientpie]

Calling people "Ardley haters" is a bit silly. I have zero confidence that he is the manager to take us forward, but that's as far as it goes.

I agree that haters is a bit strong, most "anti" posters are like you & gump in fact I have never had much faith in Ardley & dislike his negative tactics but I will continue to support him & acknowledge when he does something right as long as he remains at the club. I still believe that a couple of posters have more than a rational dislike for the man & would love to know the "real" reason for this if indeed there is one.

[bule1]

Lets be honest most people come onto these noticeboards with a pre-conceived opinion and use comments/facts/rumours to reinforce that opinion. That's pretty normal in all aspects of life and why things like the "did Ardley change tactics based upon what players said" debate generated such differing reactions. Also there will be some on here who think the comment of "There are a small number of posters who write a very large number of pro Ardley posts." would be equally true if the word pro was changed to anti.

For my pennies worth I don't see the concept of a manager taking on board the opinions of those at the coal face as a bad thing, regardless of the business they are in. Ignoring them and blindly going on would be far worse. What is more difficult to defend is why it took so long when performances were so bad, maybe the string of good results we had despite the performances contributed. That said the same team with the same formation could fail utterly today leaving us just as confused/frustrated as before.

Can someone please press the save button before the match starts so we can reload if it goes badly. ;D

[drillerpie]

There are you can count them comfortably on one hand. You are going to have to ask a friend or family member to help you count the Anti Ardley posters some of them are equally enthusiastic. You know this, you read the board.

Yes, I do, but as I specified before, I was referring to posts, not posters.

[matt_magpie]

The term 'Ardley doubters' might be more apt. That can range from serious doubters like me, to mild doubters like you.

Let’s go with that then. I guess I’m the eternal optimist when it comes to Notts, never served me well but gets me through the season till the end and I deal with the disappointment then. I’ve wavered on Ardley this season but I think we have a worse squad than last season mainly due to the long term losses of Roberts, Mccory and Thomas. I personally not sure that many managers would have got that much more out of this group of players and I think recruitment this season has been poor compared to last season, which is probably a shared responsibility between manager and owners.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Let’s go with that then. I guess I’m the eternal optimist when it comes to Notts, never served me well but gets me through the season till the end and I deal with the disappointment then. I’ve wavered on Ardley this season but I think we have a worse squad than last season mainly due to the long term losses of Roberts, Mccory and Thomas. I personally not sure that many managers would have got that much more out of this group of players and I think recruitment this season has been poor compared to last season, which is probably a shared responsibility between manager and owners.
So if he has been unlucky this year due to injuries and covid and he fails to get promotion , do you think he should be retained.?

[matt_magpie]

So if he has been unlucky this year due to injuries and covid and he fails to get promotion , do you think he should be retained.?

No I would get someone in fresh. When I look at the squad I just don’t think we’re anything special especially missing those players long term.

[ncfcog]

One forced change to the side that won on Saturday as Ben Turner replaces Alex Lacey.

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Erm Swale?.

[SwalePie]

Erm Swale?.

Oops! :D Posted it then went out looking at barn owls, as one does :D

[ncfcog]

Oops! :D Posted it then went out looking at barn owls, as one does :D

XD

[lunaspie]

Oops! :D Posted it then went out looking at barn owls, as one does :D

Who gives a hoot ?