Safe standing at the Lane? [Archive]

cher1

23-09-2021, 12:38 PM

Yes or no at the lane if standing makes a comeback?

I'd much prefer it, but I'm not sure where it could be. The Kop gradient might be too steep if I remember rightly

PedroTheFisherman66

23-09-2021, 12:43 PM

Yes or no at the lane if standing makes a comeback?

It's a NO from me,I'm afraid I've been spoilt and have got used to sitting down.Back in the day it would have been a definite yes.
I'm not sure it is a viable economic option for us as a club,if I'm not mistaken doesnt it involve fitting quite a bit of expensive kit to facilitate the safe standing?

Chicken Balti Pie

23-09-2021, 12:44 PM

I hate standing quite frankly, if you're quite small, there is no chance of seeing a game if someone tall is in front of you

LaxtonLad

23-09-2021, 12:45 PM

In favour, sort of, I broke my ankle thirty years ago and cannot put too much weight on it still. I much prefer to sit in the kop where I imagine is where the standing area will be, I don't much fancy sitting in the Pavis so what do I do?

If the kop could be divided so to allow standing at the front and sitting at the back then that's what I'd vote for.

durhampie

23-09-2021, 12:51 PM

There's a bunch of idiots at away games who continually stand in the seated areas blocking peoples view. A designated standing area for these morons would be great..

Mark_Ross

23-09-2021, 12:52 PM

Yes or no at the lane if standing makes a comeback?

A definite yes for me.

We are not talking about the whole stadium! Just an area or two where those who prefer it can go. Choice....

It just feels more natural, particularly in winter to be standing - somehow you don't seem to get as cold.

Imagine conversion to safe standing could be quite expensive, but it could be done in bite-size chunks.

Notts66

23-09-2021, 12:53 PM

I am in favour - but pretty sure it will be a whole lot more sanitised than back in the day. The bloke next to you is not likely to be pi##ing in your pocket halfway thro the first half

upthemaggies

23-09-2021, 12:54 PM

Yes. I always stood on County Road. It was never the same again when they forced us to sit down. If it was re-introduced at Notts I expect it would only be behind one of the goals though.
The Kop shouldn't be a problem, "Safe standing" is having a rail directly in front of you as well as one directly behind you, so there's no chance of anybody tumbling down the terraces, however steep.

Bushwacka

23-09-2021, 01:14 PM

uysapie

23-09-2021, 01:19 PM

Cautious yes, if they segregate standing although I'm too old to stand for 2 hours

ncfcog

23-09-2021, 01:20 PM

Mate, what's the alternative site for UTM? The Carousel one needs 50p sticking in the meter again >;)

Here ya go . . . http://tvset.byethost12.com/utm/maggies00.html

Bushwacka

23-09-2021, 01:25 PM

Here ya go . . . http://tvset.byethost12.com/utm/maggies00.html

Cheers, is it yours, not UTM's?

upthemaggies

23-09-2021, 01:36 PM

Cheers, is it yours, not UTM's?

This one's mine
https://www.nottscountystats.com/

cher1

23-09-2021, 02:25 PM

upthemaggies

23-09-2021, 02:45 PM

I wonder how much work would have to be done to a stand? Good point UTM, the guidance for safe standing where there are seats is a max of 25°, the Kop is steeper than that. So would they have to take the seats out and put rails in?

If that's the rule, then we have a got a problem. Seems a daft rule though if there's no chance of anybody falling forward with a railing that would be presumably lower-chest high.
Hardy was very keen on the idea, the current owners may have other priorities but if it proves to be a success with the early adopters then other clubs will come under pressure to follow. Will be just typical if we're not allowed to do it over some arbitrary number. Surely it's far more dangerous on a steep terrace if there is only a seat preventing you from a nasty fall if you jump up and lose your footing.

cher1

23-09-2021, 03:15 PM

If that's the rule, then we have a got a problem. Seems a daft rule though if there's no chance of anybody falling forward with a railing that would be presumably lower-chest high.
Hardy was very keen on the idea, the current owners may have other priorities but if it proves to be a success with the early adopters then other clubs will come under pressure to follow. Will be just typical if we're not allowed to do it over some arbitrary number. Surely it's far more dangerous on a steep terrace if there is only a seat preventing you from a nasty fall if you jump up and lose your footing.

That was in 2009, and for safe standing with seats; maybe things have changed now? I've just dug out an old document which has the gradients of all the stands on it.

Hope we can do it, I love standing.

BigFatPie

23-09-2021, 03:20 PM

All for it. It would be great if the Kop went standing, but as others have said, I doubt it’s suitable.

upthemaggies

23-09-2021, 03:41 PM

Looking at the images of various 'Safe standing' areas online with people leaning on them, they all appear to be lower than the old crush barriers were, more waist height than chest. Presumably this is so your view isn't impaired if spectators decide to be seated.
In this example they are especially low....

https://images.cm.archant.co.uk/resource/responsive-image/8354504/article-lead-image/xs/1/fil-man-city-norwich-075.jpg

Maybe Notts could have higher rails without seats to pass H&S rules or just have high rails with seats and supporters accept that they won't be able to have a clear view if they decide to sit down.

countygump

23-09-2021, 04:38 PM

It's a no from me. Keep the money in the tin Notts, save it for player acquisition. Unless, there's a humungous grant involved?

Elite_Pie

23-09-2021, 05:03 PM

It's a no from me. Keep the money in the tin Notts, save it for player acquisition. Unless, there's a humungous grant involved?

Wouldn't mind it happening if the demand is there and the cost can be justified, but it's something that wouldn't interest me. That's not because I prefer to sit, but it would have to be situated in the Kop and I don't like watching games from behind the goal.

ancientpie

23-09-2021, 06:55 PM

Maybe try it in the sparsely populated family stand & if it proves popular enough look at introducing it in the Kop ? as a short arse I will remain seated but it's each to their own imo.

Elite_Pie

23-09-2021, 07:29 PM

Maybe try it in the sparsely populated family stand & if it proves popular enough look at introducing it in the Kop ? as a short arse I will remain seated but it's each to their own imo.

I can't see that being an option. I doubt the average fan who wants to stand would fit in with the ethic of a designated family area.

It will happen in the Kop, or not at all.

the_anticlough

23-09-2021, 08:04 PM

Retrograde step I think
Those who want to stand will cluster together and can stand anyway...
Anyone else, find a corner of the Pavis and just stand in front of your seat - job done

Most will have seen that clip of the Congleton v Macclesfield brawl. The scourge of hooliganism is still out there to tarnish football's reputation. I'd see a general return of standing as encouraging those tendencies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPwf9ewF3ho

countygump

23-09-2021, 08:43 PM

I can't see that being an option. I doubt the average fan who wants to stand would fit in with the ethic of a designated family area.

It will happen in the Kop, or not at all.

It would most prob be in ''Kop lower'', is my guess. They could all stand and due to the gradient, all those in ''Kop upper'' would still be able to see even if they remained seated, I would imagine.

BigFatPie

23-09-2021, 08:49 PM

https://twitter.com/timessport/status/1441078275594403843?s=21

Not only terraces but we might be able to have a drink while watching the game as well!

Back of the net.

cher1

23-09-2021, 08:57 PM

It would most prob be in ''Kop lower'', is my guess. They could all stand and due to the gradient, all those in ''Kop upper'' would still be able to see even if they remained seated, I would imagine.

If anyone is good at maths, I've got the measurements of the upper and lower Kop, cos I can't make out the actual gradient of one part clearly! The upper and lower kop are different though.

LaughingMagpie

23-09-2021, 10:08 PM

A definite no from me. We have a great all seater stadium which is the envy of many teams from the National league up to League 1. I don't understand why anyone would prefer to stand.

Notts78

23-09-2021, 10:19 PM

I hate standing quite frankly, if you're quite small, there is no chance of seeing a game if someone tall is in front of you

Surely if that was the case you would make sure you were in a seated area?

The idea is that certain parts of a ground would allow supporters to stand.

Let’s be honest, safety isn’t going to be an issue at ML is it?

Another one

24-09-2021, 05:12 AM

Yes. I always stood on County Road.
Me too. They would have to bring back the wooden floor for stomping your feet on and then ban everyone from Keyworth who just used to piss there.

since41

24-09-2021, 05:36 AM

Yes from me used to love it when you could walk to the other end at halftime to get behind the goal Notts were attacking.Of course, those days are gone forever.

LaxtonLad

24-09-2021, 06:02 AM

Yes from me used to love it when you could walk to the other end at halftime to get behind the goal Notts were attacking.Of course, those days are gone forever.

Me too! 3 shillings (15p)to get in the kop end for the first half then 6d (2 1/2p) to get in the family stand, there was a bloke stood there collecting the tanners in his hands, then into his pockets.

the_anticlough

24-09-2021, 06:27 AM

Yes from me used to love it when you could walk to the other end at halftime to get behind the goal Notts were attacking.Of course, those days are gone forever.

Yeah, very true.
I think it's mainly nostalgia behind this and I do feel sorry for the younger fans who won't have those experiences, but times change and seating was brought in for many good reasons, which still apply

My memories are mixing with away fans in the Kop, pre-segregation, whole decades of standing on the County Road...
Being in big (dangerous) crushes at the Stretford End and the Anfield Kop, celebrating that 0-2 win at the Radcliffe Road enclosure, The Kippax, The Shed, North Bank, in with the Millwall fans at the Cold Blow Lane end. Being crushed, literally carried away by a crowd, standing in piss, being pissed on... let's just enjoy our seats!

LaxtonLad

24-09-2021, 07:30 AM

We went on the coach to Villa v Notts and were pelted with milk bottles and parking cones in the streets leading to the ground, as this was totally ignored by the police went into a pub called The Holt not knowing it would be full of Villa fans. We tried to hide our black and white scarves but they had already spotted us. No trouble at all, just friendly banter.

We didn't need tickets for the game so just paid and went in the nearest turnstiles and entered into the middle of the Holt End - gasp! Shock! Horror! If you've either been there or seen it on the telly you will see an entrance smack bang in the middle of steep terracing crowded with about a million Villa fans, we hurriedly exited and were allowed seats at the side.

After that little adventure we made sure we found where the safe seating was before we went to other grounds. Chelsea, Bradford, Man. City, never again, it's like going to the zoo.

forwardmagpie

24-09-2021, 07:46 AM

April 1979, my dad and I were late getting to Sheffield Utd game so dived into the nearest turnstile. A bad decision we were already at least a couple of goals down and we entered a bear pit of horrible home supporters in the home end. Pushed and shoved throughout our scarves quickly departed and we watched in silence as we were demolished I think 5 - 1 - we couldn’t even celebrate our goal. I have never liked Utd since then.

Seating for me (but I am old).

crazyfists

24-09-2021, 07:58 AM

It's a no from me. I just don't think it's needed.

magpie_mania

24-09-2021, 09:39 AM

There's a lot who would like it, but let's face it, when you look at the Prem games on the TV most seem to be standing anyway.

Don't think the idea of doing it in the FS would be a good idea.

I think difficulties might come if you had the situation where some was safe standing and that area then got full - I can't imagine that others who wanted to stand would be happy with having to sit, so they would probably stand anyway.

How many would you say stand at ML already?

Stewarding can't be easy - mind - I looked at the video on here from the Macclesfield game and the stewards just stand watching for much of it.

ancientpie

24-09-2021, 11:49 AM

I would agree about the FS if it was to remain the FS but how many actually use it & couldn't they be moved to the JS ? most of the fans who seem to want standing have probably never experienced it but I can assure them that unless they are very tall the view is much better when seated. Having said that for some the atmosphere seems more important than actually watching the game & I think we are seeing a rise in the numbers of large flags being waved at some grounds, obviously copying the "Ultras" seen at many European grounds, how you can watch a match with one of these in front of you I don't know.

ncfcog

24-09-2021, 12:11 PM

I think some people are confusing safe standing with what it was like to watch a game on a terrace 30-40 years ago. As a youngster I used to love the hustle and bustle of being crammed together on a terrace and the fun you had when there was a surge and you could basically just lift your feet off the ground and be transported from the top to the bottom of a stand in a matter of seconds.

Safe standing keeps a safe space between fans either side and front and back and whilst it sounds like it would be good I'm not sure it will come close to replicating standing on old terraces.

It was all about the atmosphere and experience for me back then, nowadays I sometimes struggle to get to my feet to celebrate a goal never mind stand and watch a whole game.