O/T What’s the bloody world coming to.

[Lolmorgan]

A health worker has been arrested on suspicion of administering poison with intent to endanger life after a child died at Birmingham Children's Hospital.
The 27-year-old woman was arrested on Thursday, hours after the death, and has since been suspended from her role at the hospital.
A spokesperson for the hospital said the child was being treated in the Paediatric Intensive Care Unit.
The woman has been released while investigations continue.
Forensic tests are also being examined, West Midlands Police said.
"The woman was arrested on Thursday evening at a property in the West Midlands area on suspicion of administering poison with intent to endanger life," a spokesperson for the force said.
"The family of the child are being supported by specially trained officers."
A spokesperson for Birmingham Women's and Children's NHS Foundation Trust said it was "supporting the infant's family at this distressing time and ask that privacy is respected during this process".
"Following the death of an infant at our Paediatric Intensive Care Unit at Birmingham Children's Hospital, we have asked West Midlands Police to examine what has happened, in line with our own safeguarding policy," it added.
"The staff member involved has been suspended by the trust following the national process on the sudden unexpected death of a child."
Birmingham Children's Hospital is a leading centre for specialist paediatric care and treats children and young people up to the age of 16.
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[MillersTime]

Not a new phenomenon. People have been poisoning others / children for hundreds of years. Doesn't make it any less horrid but it isn't a modern society thing in and of itself.

[millertop]

Doesn’t surprise me sadly, maybe a nuke isn’t a bad idea after all

[CAMiller]

I don't really know? Another 15 dead in the latest school shooting here today. I'm sure there will be plenty of candlelight vigils but as far as I'm aware I don't think those have brought anybody back to life yet.

Time to get out of here where our latest 'back to the office training' after Covid includes courses in "Stop the bleed" and "Dealing with an active shooter" :blue:

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

I don't really know? Another 15 dead in the latest school shooting here today. I'm sure there will be plenty of candlelight vigils but as far as I'm aware I don't think those have brought anybody back to life yet.

Time to get out of here where our latest 'back to the office training' after Covid includes courses in "Stop the bleed" and "Dealing with an active shooter" :blue:

Back in the 1970s I was sent on a number of training courses with impressive titles that could basically be summarised as “how to prevent yourself being blown up by the IRA”

[Brin]

I don't really know? Another 15 dead in the latest school shooting here today. I'm sure there will be plenty of candlelight vigils but as far as I'm aware I don't think those have brought anybody back to life yet.

Time to get out of here where our latest 'back to the office training' after Covid includes courses in "Stop the bleed" and "Dealing with an active shooter" :blue:

There’s no wonder you’re trying to get back here. Where else do you expect a massacre every other week than in the USA, a country way out of control with its gun laws. Thing is the 1st amendment screwed it for everyone when they brought that law in.

The suspect was armed with a handgun and an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, two law enforcement sources have confirmed. Obtaining one of these high powered rifles is like buying baked beans off a supermarket shelf.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

There’s no wonder you’re trying to get back here. Where else do you expect a massacre every other week than in the USA, a country way out of control with its gun laws. Thing is the 1st amendment screwed it for everyone when they brought that law in.

The suspect was armed with a handgun and an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, two law enforcement sources have confirmed. Obtaining one of these high powered rifles is like buying baked beans off a supermarket shelf.


But in the past they’ve brought in amendments to cancel earlier amendments, so why is the gun one so “ unamendable” ?

[wrinkly]

It's the 2nd amendment

[CAMiller]

But in the past they’ve brought in amendments to cancel earlier amendments, so why is the gun one so “ unamendable” ?

It's all down to something Mr. Booth often talked about. Munny! It's also down to 'scaremongering'. You need a gun to protect yourself from other people with guns just like in the days of Jesse James. There's no point in trying to argue about it with any Republican and tell them a civilized society can exist without the need for everyone to own an AR-15. They just look at you as if you are stupid. I guess 14 kids wouldn't be dead now if they had been armed :blue:

BTW Brin - it's not every other week, those are just the ones you hear about. It's more like 2-3 per day.

[Brin]

It's all down to something Mr. Booth often talked about. Munny! It's also down to 'scaremongering'. You need a gun to protect yourself from other people with guns just like in the days of Jesse James. There's no point in trying to argue about it with any Republican and tell them a civilized society can exist without the need for everyone to own an AR-15. They just look at you as if you are stupid. I guess 14 kids wouldn't be dead now if they had been armed :blue:

BTW Brin - it's not every other week, those are just the ones you hear about. It's more like 2-3 per day.

Chicago being the prime example....they average two per day but it increases significantly in the summer.

Last year's figures: 693
The number of mass shooting incidents in the United States in 2021.
When defined as four or more people shot, 2021’s total is 13.4 percent higher than 2020. The shootings have claimed 702 lives and injured 2,844 people. Though mass public shootings like the Boulder, Colorado, supermarket shooting; the metro Atlanta spa shootings; and the San Jose transit shooting garnered intense media attention, most mass shootings disproportionately affect Black and brown communities and receive relatively little coverage.

If you count all shootings, murder, accident and mishaps it totals more than 24,000 for the year! That is ridiculous.

[sota]

Sounds like you're ready to move back CA. I also hate the gun culture here but it's not going to change. I sort of get the concealed pistol carrying bit and the right to defend yourself and your property.... but not with automatic weapons.
After 20 years here on the Gulf Coast I still don't own a weapon and have never felt the need to do so.
Believe me, I've lived and worked in some dangerous places, including West Africa and Eastwood.

[CAMiller]

Sounds like you're ready to move back CA. I also hate the gun culture here but it's not going to change. I sort of get the concealed pistol carrying bit and the right to defend yourself and your property.... but not with automatic weapons.
After 20 years here on the Gulf Coast I still don't own a weapon and have never felt the need to do so.
Believe me, I've lived and worked in some dangerous places, including West Africa and Eastwood.

It wouldn't be the reason I'd move back but to be away from it would certainly be a big plus. Barnsley may not be the most glamorous location in the world but I'm glad my grandson is in school there and my daughter works in a school there rather than here. My wife is the administrator in a Jewish school here and that is a constant worry on two levels of firstly being a school and secondly it's denomination. They already have razor wired fences and security but if the day comes that they ask Mrs. CA to carry a gun it'll probably be the last straw. No way I'm having her armed around the house XD

[sota]

CA, this latest event is too horrific for words. I feel numb. I'm still trying to get my head around what one human being can do to another whether it's by guns, knives, bombs, planes, invasion etc. Sometimes I wish I was a goldfish.

[sota]

This is what a good friend of mine here thinks and why guns will never be banned here. You wouldn't believe what he does for a living.

"Okay here’s the thing. This goes for you or anybody who would blame the NRA for what happened yesterday. You people are clueless. People who get background checks and carry guns legally are not the ones who go out committing atrocities. All liberals at this point need to really forget they know me, because you people have lost all sense of reality. You ignore the true bad guys, you refuse to punish the bad guys severely, and you come after good citizens cool who exercise their right to legally bear arms. All of you are in some sort of dreamworld. I’m finished. I’m really finished with all of you."

[ragingpup]

This is what a good friend of mine here thinks and why guns will never be banned here. You wouldn't believe what he does for a living.

"Okay here’s the thing. This goes for you or anybody who would blame the NRA for what happened yesterday. You people are clueless. People who get background checks and carry guns legally are not the ones who go out committing atrocities. All liberals at this point need to really forget they know me, because you people have lost all sense of reality. You ignore the true bad guys, you refuse to punish the bad guys severely, and you come after good citizens cool who exercise their right to legally bear arms. All of you are in some sort of dreamworld. I’m finished. I’m really finished with all of you."

Is he a Priest?

[John2]

This is what a good friend of mine here thinks and why guns will never be banned here. You wouldn't believe what he does for a living.

"Okay here’s the thing. This goes for you or anybody who would blame the NRA for what happened yesterday. You people are clueless. People who get background checks and carry guns legally are not the ones who go out committing atrocities. All liberals at this point need to really forget they know me, because you people have lost all sense of reality. You ignore the true bad guys, you refuse to punish the bad guys severely, and you come after good citizens cool who exercise their right to legally bear arms. All of you are in some sort of dreamworld. I’m finished. I’m really finished with all of you."

I'd guess policeman? But even a teacher wouldn't surprise me.

America is completely broken as country. It's starting to fall apart. Right-wing ideology in particular around guns and abortion etc has taken a quite religious fervour and balanced discourse isn't possible anymore.

Some of my good friends from my time in Ohio have got sucked in, there is no room for reason anymore. One of my friends who is a policeman really worries me with some of the stuff he posts on online. My military friends too.

I'll be visiting later this summer, will be interesting to see how much has changed since I was last there in 2019.

[CAMiller]

I see on the BBC website that arrests were made after a 20 person brawl at a Jubilee party in Leicestershire. Shocking!

Meanwhile here in the US I counted over 50 killed this weekend in shootings across a variety of cities and at a variety events from parties, high school graduations and yes, even a funeral. Not all of them made the grade to be a 'mass' shooting with 4 or more deaths. It's a good job that the philosophy of arming everyone so that 'good people with guns can stop bad people with guns' is so effective :mad:

[Townerslovechild]

Looking on from over here the American obsession with guns seems absolute madness.
How is it in reality Cam ?

[Robus]

A Rotherham thread about how Yanks are terrible at protecting their children.

You can't make it up.

[great_fire]

If I lived in the USA I'd want a gun too since all the criminals have them.

How do you get around that?

You can't.

In this country you can't even legally use pepper spray, you're 100% relying on the police turning up and increasingly they don't.

[Lolmorgan]

A Rotherham thread about how Yanks are terrible at protecting their children.

You can't make it up.

We don’t get many Wolves fans on here, nowt to do mate. XD

[LincsMiller]

We don’t get many Wolves fans on here, nowt to do mate. XD

Got a good point though.

[Brin]

Got a good point though.

How's it a good point when we know who the main scumbags are but the police, authorities are afraid to throw the book at them in case it starts a racial backlash. So Robus, your post is pointless as we know the answer.

[Robus]

How's it a good point when we know who the main scumbags are but the police, authorities are afraid to throw the book at them in case it starts a racial backlash. So Robus, your post is pointless as we know the answer.

Is there no connection between the facts that you have been made physically inoffensive and defenseless, and that your daughters are being prostituted by foreigners?

Harold would have recognized this for exactly what it is. He would not have disarmed his jarls.

[Brin]

Now this is how America should be.....no boundaries between black or white and boy this lad can sing....and the guitarist plays a mean tune.


https://youtu.be/OQ_ohlrObcU

[Robus]

In 2008 when Americans elected Obama, a majority thought race relations were improving. That held across race and party lines. Nobody thinks that anymore. What happened?

[Brin]

In 2008 when Americans elected Obama, a majority thought race relations were improving. That held across race and party lines. Nobody thinks that anymore. What happened?

Go ask em you seem to have the time to do it.

[great_fire]

Is there no connection between the facts that you have been made physically inoffensive and defenseless, and that your daughters are being prostituted by foreigners?

Harold would have recognized this for exactly what it is. He would not have disarmed his jarls.

You're right, it probably wouldn't have happened if we had the same gun laws as the USA.

But on the other hand all our gangs would have guns instead of knives, so there would be more murders, and more innocent people caught in the crossfire with bullets flying around.

[Robus]

You're right, it probably wouldn't have happened if we had the same gun laws as the USA.

But on the other hand all our gangs would have guns instead of knives, so there would be more murders, and more innocent people caught in the crossfire with bullets flying around.

Areas with low crime rates would still have them. Many parts of the US where guns are prevalent have low crime rates and few shootings. To the extent you have gang problems, you would see more shootings in those areas. The important variables are ethnicity and income rather than gun ownership.

Civil disturbances would take on a different look, to judge by the US. Rioting and looting are localized and do not spread into nearby suburbs. Residential areas are protected.

[Pattylallacks2]

Back in the 1970s I was sent on a number of training courses with impressive titles that could basically be summarised as “how to prevent yourself being blown up by the IRA”

Seem to have worked Grist - or did they?

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

In 2008 when Americans elected Obama, a majority thought race relations were improving. That held across race and party lines. Nobody thinks that anymore. What happened?

It was a lie that was eventually exposed.

[great_fire]

Areas with low crime rates would still have them. Many parts of the US where guns are prevalent have low crime rates and few shootings. To the extent you have gang problems, you would see more shootings in those areas. The important variables are ethnicity and income rather than gun ownership.

Civil disturbances would take on a different look, to judge by the US. Rioting and looting are localized and do not spread into nearby suburbs. Residential areas are protected.

What about school shootings though?

Those are usually committed by young men who have got the guns legally (or taken them from their parents who got them legally).

[great_fire]

It was a lie that was eventually exposed.

I think it was more a case of Obama embracing CRT and creating division.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Seem to have worked Grist - or did they?

For me yes, but the Kings Arms in Woolwich ( a pub I occasionally went in) got bombed in 1974

[great_fire]

They tried to blow up a Wimpy and McDonalds paid them protection money not to blow their outlets up, so that's one way.

[CAMiller]

For me yes, but the Kings Arms in Woolwich ( a pub I occasionally went in) got bombed in 1974

Good job you wasn't down there taking advantage of the first McDonalds opening then per the current Pop Quiz XD

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Good job you wasn't down there taking advantage of the first McDonalds opening then per the current Pop Quiz XD

Would have had my chips

Did have a couple of bikini amber alerts which are quite scary

[CAMiller]

Looking on from over here the American obsession with guns seems absolute madness.
How is it in reality Cam ?

The problem is TLC is that they don't know what it's like to live without them so simply assume that a world without guns to protect yourself = a world where you are automatically going to get murdered in your sleep. They will always come back to the argument that if criminals have guns then law abiding citizens need guns to protect themselves. It doesn't seem to work though but nobody wants to try something different. A scary statistic is that in the past 10 years gun violence has killed more kids in schools than law enforcement officers on the streets in the line of duty.

[CAMiller]

Another thing about the prevalence of guns, it makes you think twice about getting into even the smallest of disputes. 31 shootings so far this year around here in 'road rage' incidents. In England if the man walking his dog lets it sh!t on your lawn you'd have a go at him, here you'd better think about it because it doesn't seem to take much for something to escalate from petty argument to death.

In just the last month, 5 kids around here have been arrested for taking guns into schools. Beer at 18, nope. Cigarettes at 18, not likely. AR-15 rifle at 18, here you go son :blue:

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Another thing about the prevalence of guns, it makes you think twice about getting into even the smallest of disputes. 31 shootings so far this year around here in 'road rage' incidents. In England if the man walking his dog lets it sh!t on your lawn you'd have a go at him, here you'd better think about it because it doesn't seem to take much for something to escalate from petty argument to death.

In just the last month, 5 kids around here have been arrested for taking guns into schools. Beer at 18, nope. Cigarettes at 18, not likely. AR-15 rifle at 18, here you go son :blue:

Plus here in Britain knife crime is on the increase.

Very much a problem in the black community but that's a statistic that's rapidly swept under the carpet.

[John2]

Plus here in Britain knife crime is on the increase.

Very much a problem in the black community but that's a statistic that's rapidly swept under the carpet.

What makes you say it's swept under the carpet?

I've seen it widely documented, and haven't seen any attempts to suppress that fact. On the contrary, if you don't identify all the factors around an issue you can't resolve them and do those affected a disservice.

Genuinely curious as to what you can point to that makes you think this is hidden.

[Pattylallacks2]

Plus here in Britain knife crime is on the increase.

Very much a problem in the black community but that's a statistic that's rapidly swept under the carpet.

Not been swept very far then. Seems to me that the problem is being factually and accurately reported

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Not been swept very far then. Seems to me that the problem is being factually and accurately reported

And what's been done about it?

Apart from a reduction of stop and search

[Pattylallacks2]

Your point was that it had been covered up, presumably by the media in general and the BBC in particular. I was merely pointing out that it hadn't. Failure to deal with the issue is another matter and is mainly down to successive governments and our inefficient police force.

[Robus]

You import populations from countries where violent crime is prevalent. You notice the behaviors become prevalent in your country and wonder why. If the million Visas that the Home Office issued last year didn't stop the problem, issue more. Ban guns, knives, toothpicks.

[mygiddypant]

This is almost as good as reading Daily Mail online. Throw a few ti-s in and it would be even better!