Never under-estimate us Brits.

[sinkov]

"A ROMAN ship arrives at the foot of a cliff in southern England. Caesar’s cohorts are about to disembark when they notice a near-naked Briton, face painted blue, waving his fists on the clifftop. ‘Come on, you Italian poofs!’ he yells. ‘I’ll take on any ten of you!’

Caesar selects his ten hardest men and they scale the cliff before vanishing from sight. Five minutes later the Briton reappears. ‘That was too easy,’ he boasts. ‘Let’s have a hundred of you.’

After half an hour, a gravely injured Roman crawls down the cliff and with his dying breath gasps: ‘Caesar, it’s a trick. There’s two of them!"

[The Bedlington Terrier]

And we still can't board a flight or save a deserving immigrant. Not progressed much have we mon ami.

[sinkov]

And we still can't board a flight or save a deserving immigrant. Not progressed much have we mon ami.

If Caesar and his legions arrived now, they wouldn't be facing near naked Britons issuing threats, they'd be escorted into Dover by the RNLI and put up in a 4 star hotel at taxpayer's expense.

Be fair, I think that's progress of a sort, don't you mon ami ?

[Vintage Claret]

If Caesar and his legions arrived now, they wouldn't be facing near naked Britons issuing threats, they'd be escorted into Dover by the RNLI and put up in a 4 star hotel at taxpayer's expense.

Be fair, I think that's progress of a sort, don't you mon ami ?

They would only stay in the hotel until a plane for Rwanda could be arranged.

[sinkov]

They would only stay in the hotel until a plane for Rwanda could be arranged.

You've discounted the Human Rights Lawyers VC, no one is going to Rwanda, not Caesar, not anybody.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Illegal immigration is a very serious problem that needs some very serious people to address it.

Sadly, we have no very serious people currently available. :blue:

[army88]

Illegal immigration is a very serious problem that needs some very serious people to address it.

Sadly, we have no very serious people currently available. :blue:

think in truth we are the immigration legends of all immigration to be honest , I mean based on the facts that all immigrants want to come to the land of milk and honey we can’t be all that bad at it can we ?

The real issue we have is the immigrants themselves who they are and where they come from, we blow billions housing homing and feeding many who simply are here to milk the system for all its worth and exploit the good people of the Uk.

This in turn puts immense pressure on us when incidents like the Ukraine happen where genuine people need help , money and shelter in genuine times of hardship.

Immigration does need strong people in charge of it I agree and it should be managed properly where by control is that immigrants are bringing skills to enhance and better us as a country in the main , I appreciate there will be a percentage who can’t do this but genuinely need help and that is also fine as long as and here’s the key word CONTROL is applied.

Immigrants come here in the main for one reason only to exploit our weak practice and draw of the state - we’re simply a pushover on this subject in this country.

I’ve posted so many times that we can’t live / survive without immigration and I still believe that but it’s spiralled way out of control and we don’t seem as though we dare say no to anyone for fear of upsetting them , so we house them give them money and create what can only be described as perfect in their eyes while we suffer with the knock on effects , higher taxes , less housing for residents , rape , theft , NHS inadequacy ( so we’re told - it’s collapsing under pressure - I’ll bet as it’s treating thousands and thousands more people ) and on and on it goes - so if they have to go to Rwanda to be vetted ( put them off from coming to the gravy train ) then so be it. In my opinion anyway - them if they’re genuine and need help we’ll help.

[Robus]

Illegal immigration is a very serious problem that needs some very serious people to address it.

Sadly, we have no very serious people currently available. :blue:

Legal immigration is your real problem. Of the 1.2 million visas that the Home Office issued in the year ending 3/22, about 470,000 were for students to come into your country with their families...!

They're having a laugh.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I was having a great afternoon out with the missus yesterday. We had taken advantage of free bus and train travel and went into Manchester and had a gander round the Peoples Museum. Enjoyed a nice lunch and I had another couple of pints in the Wheatsheaf off Tib Lane.

Train back to Bolton and into the Bolton Interchange and walked up to our bus stop. It's all under a new canopied shelter and leaning against a railing was this I think male.

Now I'm about as liberal and tolerant as a person can get but this dress code scared me to death. Almost two meters tall, wearing black track suit bottoms with white Arabic style insignia plastered all over them, and a black puffer jacket with a floppy hood worn up. The person had a black balaclava type face covering with wire glasses and he/she was texting like mad on a mobile 'phone. The temperature was well over 20 degrees centigrade.

I'd probably over done the beer in Manchester, but I was extremely concerned about being blown up. So much so I went and found "security". The dude said he would need to find his colleague and come and investigate.

Long and short of it he came with his mate and stood looking daft for 3/4 minutes and then walked away. The wannabee ISIS member got on the bus to where we were going along with some very concerned looking passengers.

Me and the wife went to Greggs, had a coffee and a doughnut and caught the next bus.

I still think "Security" should have called the police. No wonder the MEN Arena got blown to bits.

I support immigration but for the love of God, when in Rome do as the Romans do eh, or am I being unfair?

Over an early morning cuppa Mrs BT said, I was dead right, because she was not getting on that bus even if I did! :?

[sinkov]

think in truth we are the immigration legends of all immigration to be honest , I mean based on the facts that all immigrants want to come to the land of milk and honey we can’t be all that bad at it can we ?

The real issue we have is the immigrants themselves who they are and where they come from, we blow billions housing homing and feeding many who simply are here to milk the system for all its worth and exploit the good people of the Uk.

This in turn puts immense pressure on us when incidents like the Ukraine happen where genuine people need help , money and shelter in genuine times of hardship.

Immigration does need strong people in charge of it I agree and it should be managed properly where by control is that immigrants are bringing skills to enhance and better us as a country in the main , I appreciate there will be a percentage who can’t do this but genuinely need help and that is also fine as long as and here’s the key word CONTROL is applied.

Immigrants come here in the main for one reason only to exploit our weak practice and draw of the state - we’re simply a pushover on this subject in this country.

I’ve posted so many times that we can’t live / survive without immigration and I still believe that but it’s spiralled way out of control and we don’t seem as though we dare say no to anyone for fear of upsetting them , so we house them give them money and create what can only be described as perfect in their eyes while we suffer with the knock on effects , higher taxes , less housing for residents , rape , theft , NHS inadequacy ( so we’re told - it’s collapsing under pressure - I’ll bet as it’s treating thousands and thousands more people ) and on and on it goes - so if they have to go to Rwanda to be vetted ( put them off from coming to the gravy train ) then so be it. In my opinion anyway - them if they’re genuine and need help we’ll help.

We all know why they come here don't we Army, why they risk their lives to cross the Channel, when they're already in a safe, civilised country like France, but it's the elephant in the room, Lefties foam at the mouth and accuse you of racism if you dare mention it, even our wet, so called Tories are afraid to speak the truth. So we'll continue being the dustbin of the world, and us poor mugs, the British taxpayers will continue to foot the bill, while we have to tolerate the additional strain put on the infrastructure of the country, especially the NHS, schools and housing.

Never mind though, feck it.O:)

[The Bedlington Terrier]

We all know why they come here don't we Army, why they risk their lives to cross the Channel, when they're already in a safe, civilised country like France, but it's the elephant in the room, Lefties foam at the mouth and accuse you of racism if you dare mention it, even our wet, so called Tories are afraid to speak the truth. So we'll continue being the dustbin of the world, and us poor mugs, the British taxpayers will continue to foot the bill, while we have to tolerate the additional strain put on the infrastructure of the country, especially the NHS, schools and housing.

Never mind though, feck it.O:)

Like I said mon ami, it's a very serious problem. Personally, I'd put serious measures in place to prevent them from departing French waters, but how do we sell that to the despicable French?

I try to understand how these immigrants all arrive in Calais from wherever, it is clear the French are complicit in creating this problem. Like one of my old teachers used to say, "If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the f*cking problem!" I swear he swore too. :s

[outwoodclaret]

I was having a great afternoon out with the missus yesterday. We had taken advantage of free bus and train travel and went into Manchester and had a gander round the Peoples Museum. Enjoyed a nice lunch and I had another couple of pints in the Wheatsheaf off Tib Lane.

Train back to Bolton and into the Bolton Interchange and walked up to our bus stop. It's all under a new canopied shelter and leaning against a railing was this I think male.

Now I'm about as liberal and tolerant as a person can get but this dress code scared me to death. Almost two meters tall, wearing black track suit bottoms with white Arabic style insignia plastered all over them, and a black puffer jacket with a floppy hood worn up. The person had a black balaclava type face covering with wire glasses and he/she was texting like mad on a mobile 'phone. The temperature was well over 20 degrees centigrade.

I'd probably over done the beer in Manchester, but I was extremely concerned about being blown up. So much so I went and found "security". The dude said he would need to find his colleague and come and investigate.

Long and short of it he came with his mate and stood looking daft for 3/4 minutes and then walked away. The wannabee ISIS member got on the bus to where we were going along with some very concerned looking passengers.

Me and the wife went to Greggs, had a coffee and a doughnut and caught the next bus.

I still think "Security" should have called the police. No wonder the MEN Arena got blown to bits.

I support immigration but for the love of God, when in Rome do as the Romans do eh, or am I being unfair?

Over an early morning cuppa Mrs BT said, I was dead right, because she was not getting on that bus even if I did! :?

It must have come as a shock to you BT after foaming at the mouth about Israel for all these years to find the real threat to world peace sat right on your doorstep. You can bet the local branch of the Islamic religious police will be round to a cinema near you faster than you can call your teddy bear Mohammed.

[Robus]

The channel crossers are an annoyance, and a galling symbol of your loss of sovereign control over your borders. However, they are the least of your problems. Single men coming alone are a flash in the pan, demographically speaking.

That is, unless you are foolish enough to allow them to import families.

The overwhelming problem facing you is the demographic consequences of legal immigration. The character of Britain will be determined by who is there in the next generation. You are seeing the early stages of a demographic catastrophe that will divide you more profoundly than the Reformation or English Civil War ever did. For you, the transformation is simply a growing list of annoyances, and a deepening feeling of humiliation. Your grandchildren will fight and die as a consequence of what you are doing to them now.

[Robus]

Linton-on-Ouse: This all seems perfectly normal.

https://youtu.be/i5joIkwczW0

[sinkov]

The channel crossers are an annoyance, and a galling symbol of your loss of sovereign control over your borders.

That's not strictly true Robus, we do have sovereign control over our borders. But what we also have is a government not interested in exercising those controls in any meaningful way, a problem exacerbated by an opposition and media that will stir up a sh1t-storm of criticism the instant the government shows even the slightest inclination to use the powers they have to curb illegal immigration.

[Robus]

I've been watching Priti's efforts to send a dozen channel crossers to that tropical paradise, Rwanda. It's the Land of Opportunity!

[The Bedlington Terrier]

That's not strictly true Robus, we do have sovereign control over our borders. But what we also have is a government not interested in exercising those controls in any meaningful way, a problem exacerbated by an opposition and media that will stir up a sh1t-storm of criticism the instant the government shows even the slightest inclination to use the powers they have to curb illegal immigration.

Never mind the fact we have a hopeless, hapless government sinkov, just blame Labour for whatever our government fails to do.

[sinkov]

just blame Labour

"we do have sovereign control over our borders. But what we also have is a government not interested in exercising those controls in any meaningful way,"

Which parts of the above do you have difficulty understanding BT ?

[Robus]

Looks like the first wave are off for Rwanda, that jewel in the heart of Africa! Here is CBS News, typical of the anti-borders ideology that mainstream media in this country are pushing. It's all one globalist mob on both sides of the pond.

https://youtu.be/6YC8fFG2j-w

Boris needs to get himself a tougher Patel, like the one Nehru had.

[Robus]

Overruled by the European court. Boris would win huge support if he just cracked on with the Rwanda plan but he won't.

The point seems to be to rub your noses in your own powerlessness, not just to crush but humiliate you.

https://youtu.be/Tt2K14ea2GQ

[wanderlust]

"A ROMAN ship arrives at the foot of a cliff in southern England. Caesar’s cohorts are about to disembark when they notice a near-naked Briton, face painted blue, waving his fists on the clifftop. ‘Come on, you Italian poofs!’ he yells. ‘I’ll take on any ten of you!’

Caesar selects his ten hardest men and they scale the cliff before vanishing from sight. Five minutes later the Briton reappears. ‘That was too easy,’ he boasts. ‘Let’s have a hundred of you.’

After half an hour, a gravely injured Roman crawls down the cliff and with his dying breath gasps: ‘Caesar, it’s a trick. There’s two of them!"

Sadly, there are none of them these days. The last genetic survey showed that less than 0.01% of the current population have any DNA trace of the Brittanic tribes of the Roman era.

We're all descended from immigrants - my lot are mainly directly Viking or indirectly Viking (Normans and Irish/Scots) with a bit of spice thrown in somewhere along the line but we can trace them back to living in England for over a thousand years.

Which is why I find it amusing that recent immigrant families like Johnson's and Farage's tend to be the most nationalist and xenophobic.

There should be a law that anyone whose direct paternal family line can't be traced back to living in England for at least twenty generations shouldn't be allowed to vote - that should eliminate the far right as they're all potato famine Micks and Eastern Europeans :)

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Sadly, there are none of them these days. The last genetic survey showed that less than 0.01% of the current population have any DNA trace of the Brittanic tribes of the Roman era.

We're all descended from immigrants - my lot are mainly directly Viking or indirectly Viking (Normans and Irish/Scots) with a bit of spice thrown in somewhere along the line but we can trace them back to living in England for over a thousand years.

Which is why I find it amusing that recent immigrant families like Johnson's and Farage's tend to be the most nationalist and xenophobic.

There should be a law that anyone whose direct paternal family line can't be traced back to living in England for at least twenty generations shouldn't be allowed to vote - that should eliminate the far right as they're all potato famine Micks and Eastern Europeans :)

A few years ago one of my brothers and my sister had a real good go at tracing our family tree. They gave up after our distant and immediate ancestors were found to be a curious mixture of Irish, Italian and Lancastrian. Explains a lot really. XD

[Robus]

Mates, you're an ancient people. Your roots on the British islands go back 7,000 years. The sequencing of ancient DNA has revolutionized our understanding of this stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_British_Isles

You can learn a lot by sending a vial of saliva to the one of the DNA analysis services. If you're a native Brit, your patrilineage probably goes back to an Indo-European speaking nomadic chieftain who collected skulls and concubines on the Pontic Steppe 5,000 years ago. His descendants arrived in Britain more than 4,000 years ago. Your matrilineage might go back to the dark-skinned, blue-eyed hunter-gathers like Cheddar Man who were in Europe for 30,000 years and rubbed elbows with Neanderthals. Or it might go back the farming people who migrated out of Anatolia and pushed into Britain via the Iberian Peninsula 5,000-6,000 years ago, the makers of Stonehenge.

Celt, Saxon, Dane, Norman--they are all minor variations on the northwest European type.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Mates, you're an ancient people. Your roots on the British islands go back 7,000 years. The sequencing of ancient DNA has revolutionized our understanding of this stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_British_Isles

You can learn a lot by sending a vial of saliva to the one of the DNA analysis services. If you're a native Brit, your patrilineage probably goes back to an Indo-European speaking nomadic chieftain who collected skulls and concubines on the Pontic Steppe 5,000 years ago. His descendants arrived in Britain more than 4,000 years ago. Your matrilineage might go back to the dark-skinned, blue-eyed hunter-gathers like Cheddar Man who were in Europe for 30,000 years and rubbed elbows with Neanderthals. Or it might go back the farming people who migrated out of Anatolia and pushed into Britain via the Iberian Peninsula 5,000-6,000 years ago, the makers of Stonehenge.

Celt, Saxon, Dane, Norman--they are all minor variations on the northwest European type.

As long as I don't come from Blackburn I'm OK mate. ;D

[sinkov]

"that should eliminate the far right"

I like it, a welcome return of BT's old friend, the Far Right bogeyman. Who are these people, where are they ? Is Boris one ? Is that Old Etonian chappy, the Member for the 18th Century one as well ?

I think we should be told. O:)

[The Bedlington Terrier]

"that should eliminate the far right"

I like it, a welcome return of BT's old friend, the Far Right bogeyman. Who are these people, where are they ? Is Boris one ? Is that Old Etonian chappy, the Member for the 18th Century one as well ?

I think we should be told. O:)

They can be found lunching and shopping deep down in the Ribble Valley mon ami. ;D

[sinkov]

They can be found lunching and shopping deep down in the Ribble Valley mon ami. ;D

I've been looking on and off since 1994, but I've not found one yet, there are a few daft farmer's lads out in Clitheroe of a Friday night, but they seem more interested in ale and shagging than politics. Or is Nigel Evans a member of the Far Right ? Is it him ?

[Robus]

A heroic example who has been ostracized so thoroughly that he cannot hold a bank account, and his name cannot be spoken in the media, is Tommy Robinson. Currently he is persona non grata for making a film about the Telford girls.

[wanderlust]

A heroic example who has been ostracized so thoroughly that he cannot hold a bank account, and his name cannot be spoken in the media, is Tommy Robinson. Currently he is persona non grata for making a film about the Telford girls.

There you go. Tommy Robinson's parents are immigrant bog Arabs so he should have f*** all to say about who we should or shouldn't allow into the country.

It's ironic but the English Defence League is rammed with foreigners who act like ****s because they want to be thought of as English - but they're just sad wannabes.

[army88]

There you go. Tommy Robinson's parents are immigrant bog Arabs so he should have f*** all to say about who we should or shouldn't allow into the country.

It's ironic but the English Defence League is rammed with foreigners who act like ****s because they want to be thought of as English - but they're just sad wannabes.

Watched Pretty at Question Time yesterday and deportations of illegal immigrants was high in the agenda , the usual trash from her opposite number who bear faced lied ( unusual for a politician) about labours stance right back to where they were last in power and Miss Patel pointed that out to her that she had introduced the rulings on which we were trying to send our first plane to Rwanda.

I posted that because you immediately all jump to the far right - racism and the like when actually the average person is just sick of propping up immigrants who come here to milk the system ( let’s be honest they don’t come without issues do they - rape - theft - murder of politicians and of course sponging of us the public.

As Pretty delivered her notes the next boat from the channel landed on our shores and another 20 or so YOUNG MEN disembarked for a hotel and warm bed and £37 a week to get started.

Patel is right the average man - woman - are sick of this ( there not far right ) just fraught with spending 5 million a day on accommodating these young men , she jumped up again in my estimation yesterday and delivered exactly as id posted that we need immigration but controlled not like this,

Racist - far right - yes there will always be some but in the most part I think just genuine people sick of the rubbish being fed to them.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Watched Pretty at Question Time yesterday and deportations of illegal immigrants was high in the agenda , the usual trash from her opposite number who bear faced lied ( unusual for a politician) about labours stance right back to where they were last in power and Miss Patel pointed that out to her that she had introduced the rulings on which we were trying to send our first plane to Rwanda.

I posted that because you immediately all jump to the far right - racism and the like when actually the average person is just sick of propping up immigrants who come here to milk the system ( let’s be honest they don’t come without issues do they - rape - theft - murder of politicians and of course sponging of us the public.

As Pretty delivered her notes the next boat from the channel landed on our shores and another 20 or so YOUNG MEN disembarked for a hotel and warm bed and £37 a week to get started.

Patel is right the average man - woman - are sick of this ( there not far right ) just fraught with spending 5 million a day on accommodating these young men , she jumped up again in my estimation yesterday and delivered exactly as id posted that we need immigration but controlled not like this,

Racist - far right - yes there will always be some but in the most part I think just genuine people sick of the rubbish being fed to them.

I often wonder why threads like this do not castigate the French for allowing these illegals to hop in a dinghy and set sail for Blighty.:confused:

[sinkov]

It's ironic but the English Defence League is rammed with foreigners who act like ****s because they want to be thought of as English - but they're just sad wannabes.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0032321718777907

Some quotes from the above study of the EDL,

"The Rise and Fall of the English Defence League............This article uses new qualitative data to explain the sudden rise and subsequent decline of the English Defence League...........ultimately caused the English Defence League’s downfall........the UK far right has predominately been a fringe phenomenon, attracting relatively few voters and activists............it then also experienced a steep decline which saw numbers dwindle to a few hundred participants and the end of its capacity for mass mobilisation."

In reality it seems like the EDL isn't rammed with anybody very much at all, but Lefties do love a Far Right bogeyman. >;)

[Robus]

The dissenters have been silenced, but the problem has not gone away. 50,000 channel crossers. That is in addition to 2,000,000 legal immigrants since COVID began.

Where will this end? Native British will be minority in the UK by the 2060s. LONG before then, you will have sacrificed every single one of your rights to the sensibilities of your guests and benefactors.

https://youtu.be/JWq9RStn5f0

[kritichris]

Native Brits have been a minority since the 5th century when the Anglo-Saxons came over illegally and managed to stay, unlike the Romans who tried it first. Then came the Danes, then the French. We are a potpourri of nationalities and so it continues.

[sinkov]

Native Brits have been a minority since the 5th century when the Anglo-Saxons came over illegally and managed to stay, unlike the Romans who tried it first. Then came the Danes, then the French. We are a potpourri of nationalities and so it continues.

I was born in England, of English parents, so I'm English, that's all I need to know, that's all I want to know.