Qatar stadiums

[crashbang]

Are absolute class. Beautiful.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Yes good aren’t they

[crashbang]

The sand dunes one tonight.

[CAMiller]

I don't think we'll win any future WC bids if we offer Hillsborough as a stadium next time around XD

The US stadiums they'll be using in 2026 are 'nice' but nothing compared to the ones they are using in Qatar.

[Pattylallacks2]

I am sure that the families of the thousands of building workers killed since Qatar won the bid will think it worthwhile

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

I don't think we'll win any future WC bids if we offer Hillsborough as a stadium next time around XD

The US stadiums they'll be using in 2026 are 'nice' but nothing compared to the ones they are using in Qatar.

Hillsborough would win a toilet bid every time

[Brin]

Unbelievable that they are retaining only one as the national stadium and they are to dismantle the rest when the World Cup is over.

Money to burn..,,

[Lolmorgan]

Unbelievable that they are retaining only one as the national stadium and they are to dismantle the rest when the World Cup is over.

Money to burn..,, Yep & people starving.

[crashbang]

I am sure that the families of the thousands of building workers killed since Qatar won the bid will think it worthwhile

Reel them in😊

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Reel them in😊

Fish in a barrel

[millertop]

Yes very impressed but what will happen once tournament is finished?

[fc_miller]

Unbelievable that they are retaining only one as the national stadium and they are to dismantle the rest when the World Cup is over.

Money to burn..,,

Is Tony over there trying to make a deal on some 2nd seats to extend NYS?

More likely come back with some shipping containers, tents and crates of bud.

[Lolmorgan]

Unbelievable that they are retaining only one as the national stadium and they are to dismantle the rest when the World Cup is over.

Money to burn..,,
And no doubt using migrant works again,once the World Cup finishes nothing will change.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

And no doubt using migrant works again,once the World Cup finishes nothing will change.

Yep, giving those migrant workers a job, a wage and stopping them from starving, it has to stop

[Pattylallacks2]

Yep, giving those migrant workers a job, a wage and stopping them from starving, it has to stop

And it probably will given the accident death toll

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

And it probably will given the accident death toll

Like the 30 killed in the construction sector in the UK last year

[Pattylallacks2]

Like the 30 killed in the construction sector in the UK last year

Thirty is a terrible indictment of the UK building industry's safety record. Pity you can't be more outraged about the thousands who have died in Qatar since they won the WC bid.

[CAMiller]

Thirty is a terrible indictment of the UK building industry's safety record. Pity you can't be more outraged about the thousands who have died in Qatar since they won the WC bid.

I'm not sure what you've been reading Patty but by now most of the 'reputable' news sources have dismissed that theory and put the number around 50. Still not good but by no means the 6,500 I saw mentioned in one article.

[Pattylallacks2]

I'm not sure what you've been reading Patty but by now most of the 'reputable' news sources have dismissed that theory and put the number around 50. Still not good but by no means the 6,500 I saw mentioned in one article.

Can you give details of the "reputable new sources" you've found Cam? Can't believe Grist hasn't already quoted them.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

I'm not sure what you've been reading Patty but by now most of the 'reputable' news sources have dismissed that theory and put the number around 50.

That’s because the original figures included those that died at work. So for example a Qatari migrant having a heart attack in the office car park would be in those figures. So the real construction deaths are much, much lower than the Guardian would have you believe

[great_fire]

Bit of an insult knocking them down though when people have died building them.

No doubt a lot of people died building the pyramids but at least they're still standing.

[Pattylallacks2]

That’s because the original figures included those that died at work. So for example a Qatari migrant having a heart attack in the office car park would be in those figures. So the real construction deaths are much, much lower than the Guardian would have you believe

So both he Guardian and the BBC are unreliable. Can we have your more reliable sources please?

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

My construction death figures for the UK came from the Health and Safety Executive.

[Pattylallacks2]

My construction death figures for the UK came from the Health and Safety Executive.

Ah, so no "reliable" statistics for Qatar then!

[Pattylallacks2]

That’s because the original figures included those that died at work. So for example a Qatari migrant having a heart attack in the office car park would be in those figures. So the real construction deaths are much, much lower than the Guardian would have you believe

Yes, the news media has been full of stories about the thousands of migrant workers dying of heart attacks in the office car park.

[Geetarman]

Hi Patty. Welcome to Dr Tedious's fan club.

[CAMiller]

Can you give details of the "reputable new sources" you've found Cam? Can't believe Grist hasn't already quoted them.

I believe the number of 50 came from the International Labour Organisation and was quoted by of all people the BBC and the NYT.

[Pattylallacks2]

I believe the number of 50 came from the International Labour Organisation and was quoted by of all people the BBC and the NYT.

But as the ILO report said "Qatar is inadequately investigating and reporting worker deaths and called for “better quality and more accurate data collection, with more efforts to investigate injuries and fatalities that may be work-related but are not currently categorized as such.”

[avondalemiller]

.....just stop the Qatari press gangs roaming Pakistan and India....etc then it will stop..........................
#.........oh, hold on, they're there because they went there.............

Like i said before, people turn a blind eye to China, Saudi Arabia etc, can't remember an uproar to the F1 in Saudi. Do people think Saudi's build things themselves? Beijing Olympics, that was very quiet on the uproar front......selective moaning i think.

[CAMiller]

But as the ILO report said "Qatar is inadequately investigating and reporting worker deaths and called for “better quality and more accurate data collection, with more efforts to investigate injuries and fatalities that may be work-related but are not currently categorized as such.”

I've no doubt their figures are inaccurate but the ones originally banded about by The Guardian and picked up by other 'news' sources were no more than sensationalism. On a similar note, if the figures of illegal immigrants coming across the southern US border (reported at 2M/year by border control) are accurate and those illegal immigrants exhibit 'normal' US mortality rates (850/100,000) then 17,000 of them die every year.