Where does the money go to?

[Swissclaret]

I am not asking this question to inspire a debate between Labour and Tory.

With the bankruptcy of Birmingham council, the fact that there is income tax, capital gains tax, inheritance tax, VAT, council tax, special taxes, government debts over a trillion, the country is decaying before our eyes, where does all the money go to?

Wherever you look, Britain is increasingly a third world country. The tax take is massive by anyone’s standards.

[Vintage Claret]

It does not seem to make a difference as to which political party is in power, there is an awful lot of wasted money spent by our government.

One of my personal grievences is the money spent on baleouts of companies whose product is deemed essential to the people of the UK. In the cases of energy and transport industries on which everyone in the UK requires, those companies should be state owned, and operated on a minimal profit basis, to allow the people who need their services to have the best possible price for that service.

[Swissclaret]

It does not seem to make a difference as to which political party is in power, there is an awful lot of wasted money spent by our government.

One of my personal grievences is the money spent on baleouts of companies whose product is deemed essential to the people of the UK. In the cases of energy and transport industries on which everyone in the UK requires, those companies should be state owned, and operated on a minimal profit basis, to allow the people who need their services to have the best possible price for that service.

I agree VC. The water companies are a classic example. The waterways and the seas are a disgrace. Outrageous salaries, high dividend payouts and minimal infrastructure investment.

What amazes me is that Britain sends aid to China and India. Both of them can afford a space programme! How ludicrous is that!

[Deadlydave]

What about the massive amount of money we spend on the huge debts we have accumulated by spending more than we take in. We have too many benefits and not enough people that do productive stuff and no I am not having a go at real people that cant work and need help. It's a problem we won't deal with but the debts will kill us as sure as cyanide. The idea of Keynes economic theory was to pay the borrowing back in the good times. Trouble is politicians need to bribe voters so they never do. Hence this country is a dump; It make me cry to see it.

[Swissclaret]

What about the massive amount of money we spend on the huge debts we have accumulated by spending more than we take in. We have too many benefits and not enough people that do productive stuff and no I am not having a go at real people that cant work and need help. It's a problem we won't deal with but the debts will kill us as sure as cyanide. The idea of Keynes economic theory was to pay the borrowing back in the good times. Trouble is politicians need to bribe voters so they never do. Hence this country is a dump; It make me cry to see it.

I agree DD. And with inflation comes higher interest rates, which means the debt costs more to service.

Another economics basics is that printing money is inflationary - see Nazi Germany as a classic example.

This week the Governor of the BoE announced that, oops, they printed too much money. Who are these clowns? The BoE was made independent so that it could not be used for political ends. Why have they printed too much money? To meet political ends.

You couldn’t make it up.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Thir**** years of a Tory government and Britain is broken. They will be gone soon.

Unfortunately we have another empty egghead waiting to take over with just about the worst Cabinet in waiting ever. :blue:

[kritichris]

it seems to me privatisation hasn't worked, unless you're employed high in the new sectors or an investor receiving dividends, the country has just been asset stripped and it's amazing that the Tories haven't been able to get their hands on the NHS (yet). Paying record salaries and dividends and not reinvesting in the infrastructure of our major utilities is only going one way as far as the country is concerned. brexit hasn't helped either despite all the promises.

[Swissclaret]

Thir**** years of a Tory government and Britain is broken. They will be gone soon.

Unfortunately we have another empty egghead waiting to take over with just about the worst Cabinet in waiting ever. :blue:
As I mentioned, I did not raise the subject to blame the Tories or Labour. They are both as bad as each other. It is worth noting that Birmingham and others filling 114 are Labour run councils. As far as I am aware, the Tories do not dictate policy to Labour run councils.

My question to you poor souls living in a third world country is where on earth does all the money go to?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

As I mentioned, I did not raise the subject to blame the Tories or Labour. They are both as bad as each other. It is worth noting that Birmingham and others filling 114 are Labour run councils. As far as I am aware, the Tories do not dictate policy to Labour run councils.

My question to you poor souls living in a third world country is where on earth does all the money go to?

Birmingham Council have been subjected to 50% cuts like every other Metropolitan Council because of the Tory austerity policy founded by Cameron and Osborne.

The senior Tories look after their chums and that's where the money goes...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56319927

[Supersub6]

Birmingham City Council Spending on Councillors 2018/19:-
Basic Allowances £1,705,892.16: Special Allowances £476,698.72: Travel £4,898.93: Carer £239.00

2021/22:-
Basic Allowances £1,775,464.69: Special Allowances £592,205.27: Travel £1831.10: Carer £136.00

Over 90 councillors, most claiming over £18,000 allowances and add to that the Special Allownces and you are talking a lot of money.

Over the time shown the Basic Allowances rose aroun 4% but the Special Allowances rose by around 25%.

Easy answer is to get yourself elected to your local council and you are quids in.

[sinkov]

Birmingham Council have been subjected to 50% cuts like every other Metropolitan Council because of the Tory austerity policy founded by Cameron and Osborne.

The senior Tories look after their chums and that's where the money goes...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56319927

If you want to know where the money has gone in Birmingham, check out the Equal Pay Claims scandal and the IT disaster.

"On Tuesday, it emerged that Europe’s largest local authority was forced to take the humiliating step of issuing a section 114 notice, meaning it has to halt all new spending immediately, with the exception of protecting vulnerable people and statutory services. The Labour-run council said it had been pushed over the edge by equal pay claims totalling £760 million, plus the £100 million cost of a botched IT scheme."

"The Section 114 notice issued by the city’s interim finance director Fiona Greenway starkly sets out what has gone so horribly wrong. Top of the list is that the council is on the hook for what will likely turn out to be a billion pounds in equal pay claims, owed to thousands of its own workforce who have been victims of discriminatory pay practices over recent years. Just last month I exposed how the city’s management had been allowing its bin collection crews – nearly all men – to work to a ‘task and finish’ regime since the pandemic, with many knocking off hours early as a result. If there was a textbook example of a practice likely to trigger an equal pay claim, this was it.

It was subsequently discovered that the council accounts signed off in 2020, 2021 and 2022 were flawed, with no accounting for the equal pay situation and liabilities.

It’s not the only manmade disaster to afflict the council. A £20 million new IT, finance and HR system designed to ‘save money’ has been so poorly implemented by the council that it is going to cost an eyewatering £100 million to put right. And rising demand for costly adult care and children’s services, the housing crisis and inflation meant that the council already faced an £87 million end of year shortfall."

A financial disaster of epic proportions, and not a Tory in sight.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Birmingham City Council (like a lot of others) should have gone into "Special Measures) in 2020 but the Tories are so predominantly fixed on doing anything to stay in power they do not actually govern. If they worked at governing the country instead of playing musical chairs with unelected Prime Ministers in Downing Street we would not be living in "Broken Britain".

[sinkov]

Birmingham City Council (like a lot of others) should have gone into "Special Measures) in 2020 but the Tories are so predominantly fixed on doing anything to stay in power they do not actually govern. If they worked at governing the country instead of playing musical chairs with unelected Prime Ministers in Downing Street we would not be living in "Broken Britain".

The Tories do not run Birmingham City Council. Simples. O:)

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The Tories do not run Birmingham City Council. Simples. O:)

They don't "run" anything mon ami.

[army88]

As I mentioned, I did not raise the subject to blame the Tories or Labour. They are both as bad as each other. It is worth noting that Birmingham and others filling 114 are Labour run councils. As far as I am aware, the Tories do not dictate policy to Labour run councils.

My question to you poor souls living in a third world country is where on earth does all the money go to?

Ahh Swiss we have the best experts at spunking money away on either nothing - or green issues that don’t make sense - or looking after themselves.

The whole system from top to bottom wants sweeping clean- too many people are
On the gravy train looking after number one and have been quietly away for years - add to that billions we pish away on immigration and lazy layabouts who don’t want / refuse to work you’d have a fair pot of money.

Let’s not forget though the lazy layabouts are Votes that keep the corrupt lazy politicians in power.

We’re mad in this country and the more you take in the more you realise it’s a us and them scenario you couldn’t write some of it - we refuse to take gas from the North Sea - green issues and politics - the Norwegians don’t and we then buy it of them at vastly inflated prices ethically is that right because it’s not us that’s extracting it.

Illegal Immigration - need I say more

My post if we had a government with a pair of *******s could make us affluent and a brilliant country again - instead they’ll look after themselves and their mates and F—- the people that matter.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I am not asking this question to inspire a debate between Labour and Tory.

With the bankruptcy of Birmingham council, the fact that there is income tax, capital gains tax, inheritance tax, VAT, council tax, special taxes, government debts over a trillion, the country is decaying before our eyes, where does all the money go to?

Wherever you look, Britain is increasingly a third world country. The tax take is massive by anyone’s standards.

We give France enormous amounts of money to stop the boat crossings.

We have spent hundreds of millions on "ghost flights" to Rwanda.

We have chucked tons of money at a floating barge and RAF Scranton without a single tenant being installed.

We have a government who are not fit for purpose but sadly the new lot will do no better.

https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2023/09/08/bibby-stockholm-half-a-million-bill/

[army88]

BT , the puppets of politicians playing musical chairs are irrelevant, they do not run the country

In the past we had less corrupt or certainly cleverer than the last two decades breed of politicians/ parliament.

Anyone who actually tries to govern would be swept aside like leaves in autumn- we really are kidding ourselves if we think that the muppets called politicians- prime ministers can govern- they are the ones who are governed- everything underneath that in the chain is irrelevant to those at the top pulling the strings.

Incompetence is everywhere in councils but in fairness when you look higher up the food chain there isn’t a lot in the way of moral code and legal leadership is there regardless of party.

[sinkov]

BT , the puppets of politicians playing musical chairs are irrelevant, they do not run the country

In the past we had less corrupt or certainly cleverer than the last two decades breed of politicians/ parliament.

Anyone who actually tries to govern would be swept aside like leaves in autumn- we really are kidding ourselves if we think that the muppets called politicians- prime ministers can govern- they are the ones who are governed- everything underneath that in the chain is irrelevant to those at the top pulling the strings.


As Liz Truss and Kwasi Karteng found out Army, but BT doesn't get it, he's still living in the past and thinks Party Politics matters.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

As Liz Truss and Kwasi Karteng found out Army, but BT doesn't get it, he's still living in the past and thinks Party Politics matters.

Are you saying the Jews control everything mon ami? Global finance, the universal media the lot?

[sinkov]

Punch and Judy show mon ami, told you before about it, instead of watching them knocking each other about, look behind the curtain to see if you can catch a glimpse of who's pulling the strings. "That's the way to do it".

Army knows the time of day, but you mon ami, you prefer to live in the past, wibbling on about Tory cuts, it's quaint and touching, but politically mon ami, sadly you're an anachronism.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Punch and Judy show mon ami, told you before about it, instead of watching them knocking each other about, look behind the curtain to see if you can catch a glimpse of who's pulling the strings. "That's the way to do it".

Army knows the time of day, but you mon ami, you prefer to live in the past, wibbling on about Tory cuts, it's quaint and touching, but politically mon ami, sadly you're an anachronism.

I'm a Socialist mon ami and that is the only way to move forward but the Jews put a stop to our last chance of a Socialist Prime Minister and they have Starmer stitched up nice and tight in their arse pockets.

We are f*ucked and no mistake.

[sinkov]

I'm a Socialist mon ami and that is the only way to move forward

Is that why you Lefties call yourselves Progressive, you want to move forward ?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Having knocked on thousands of doors while canvassing for the Labour Party, "Let’s not forget though the lazy layabouts are Votes that keep the corrupt lazy politicians in power." I can absolutely assure you they do not get off their arses to vote.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Is that why you Lefties call yourselves Progressive, you want to move forward ?

I would hope every human being on the planet wants to move forward sinkov. You remind me a lot of the Trump supporters who constantly reference “woke Marxism” and talk of a sinister yet calculated plan that is orchestrated by leftist intellectuals to destroy Western values, traditions and civilisation such as democracy and the right to vote. All sounds a bit rich coming from US based far right political activists and sad Brits who continue to claim Biden’s election win was stolen from them. I reckon the Federal jails will be bursting with them soon. >;)

[Vintage Claret]

"All sounds a bit rich coming from US based far right political activists and sad Brits who continue to claim Biden’s election win was stolen from them. I reckon the Federal jails will be bursting with them soon. "

Not if Trump wins the next presidential election, they will all be given a presidential pardon.

[army88]

"All sounds a bit rich coming from US based far right political activists and sad Brits who continue to claim Biden’s election win was stolen from them. I reckon the Federal jails will be bursting with them soon. "

Not if Trump wins the next presidential election, they will all be given a presidential pardon.

How true that is VC and i say this as well , a lot people had better watch out if Trump does get back in , my - heads will roll on a large scale I think.

[army88]

Surely BT your not daft enough to think that , the stay at homers on 40 fags a day a massive tv money in the bank and lazy itus don’t vote Labour or conservative for that matter ( there will always be those that don’t vote we know that ) .
Human nature tells me that if they have a nice carry on can live adequately without lifting a finger they vote trust me why wouldn’t you ?change is bad for them unless Labour rule and possibly they’ll get more. 😂😂

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Surely BT your not daft enough to think that , the stay at homers on 40 fags a day a massive tv money in the bank and lazy itus don’t vote Labour or conservative for that matter ( there will always be those that don’t vote we know that ) .
Human nature tells me that if they have a nice carry on can live adequately without lifting a finger they vote trust me why wouldn’t you ?change is bad for them unless Labour rule and possibly they’ll get more. ����

I'm not daft at all army88. When the voting day arrived we had the electoral roll and knew who voted and who didn't. It was always the same old scroats who could not be arsed to vote otherwise Bolton North East would still be a Labour held seat. Fact.

[army88]

Having knocked on thousands of doors while canvassing for the Labour Party, "Let’s not forget though the lazy layabouts are Votes that keep the corrupt lazy politicians in power." I can absolutely assure you they do not get off their arses to vote.

Why waste time knocking on their doors then BT waste of resources - surely your time would be better spent canvassing people who do vote.

The stay at homers are usually amongst the loudest who want to have a say when things don’t suit them - reality is if you don’t vote you can’t have an opinion or voice your concerns - simple - there’s a little gem for the politicians everyone has to vote - imo as I said before the best way to deal with this breed of politics now is for all of us to stay at home and vote with our feet , let them know that we’re sick to death of there shenanigans and lies - I watched Sunak the other day he can’t answer the questions put to him - Angela Raynor can’t answer rational questions put to her about what she’s been spouting off about ( mind you no one can get a word in edgeways when her mouth goes into overdrive - rude is all I can say.

[sinkov]

I would hope every human being on the planet wants to move forward sinkov. You remind me a lot of the Trump supporters who constantly reference “woke Marxism” and talk of a sinister yet calculated plan that is orchestrated by leftist intellectuals to destroy Western values, traditions and civilisation such as democracy and the right to vote. All sounds a bit rich coming from US based far right political activists and sad Brits who continue to claim Biden’s election win was stolen from them. I reckon the Federal jails will be bursting with them soon. >;)

Sorry mon ami, you've been casting all morning, but I'm not biting today, too busy with all the Footy, Rugby, Vuelta, Tour of Britain and Horse Racing. Put your rod away, you're wasting your time. >;)

[Swissclaret]

I find it sad that, apparently Jews are the problem.

With views like that the Voters deserved to be f*ucked and ripped off.

Surely to God there is a better way. Socialism has been proved to be rubbish from day one. It has never worked and never will. Absolute capitalism is just as bad.

Isn’t it time that people in Britain said «*enough is enough*»? Labour, Tory, Liberal, SNP and so on are a load of sh*te and people need look to either alternatives or start again. A party of common sense that looks to what is best for the country and is willing to call a spade a spade?

Everyone on this site I am sure pays taxes and what do you get from it? Day in and day out, f*ucked up the ar*e. The rich get richer. The lazy b*stards get richer whilst the conscientious ones get poorer.

As sinkov has said so many times, the lunatics are running the asylum and this seems to be accepted!

If you can, move to Switzerland or elsewhere rather than choose the best sun lounger on the Titanic.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I agree VC. The water companies are a classic example. The waterways and the seas are a disgrace. Outrageous salaries, high dividend payouts and minimal infrastructure investment.

What amazes me is that Britain sends aid to China and India. Both of them can afford a space programme! How ludicrous is that!

I'll tell you what is ridiculous S_c, this inept government of ours who keep on chucking money at whimsical projects instead of telling the French to keep their asylum seekers south of Calais...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/08/legionella-found-onboard-the-bibby-stockholm-is-most-deadly-strain?utm_term=64fc180a38aa31d297df9cc6be7c9c90&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email

[Swissclaret]

I'll tell you what is ridiculous S_c, this inept government of ours who keep on chucking money at whimsical projects instead of telling the French to keep their asylum seekers south of Calais...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/08/legionella-found-onboard-the-bibby-stockholm-is-most-deadly-strain?utm_term=64fc180a38aa31d297df9cc6be7c9c90&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email
I agree BT, compounded by the left wing devotion to human rights. One of the most abused legal constructs in my opinion.

As far as the French are concerned, it seems that everyone has a right to be helped on their way to Britain. Even escorted there. For Britain, Labour or Tory, any attempt to rid the country of even hate preachers is thwarted by the «*human right*» to spread hatred and encourage fanatics. People arriving illegally have even more right to money, a roof over their heads and so on. It must cost a fortune trying to fight such «*human rights*».

Rousseau wrote about not just rights but also responsibilities. Something that the Court of Human Rights (left wing) conveniently overlooks in its judgments.

[sinkov]

You want to know where the money goes, have a look at this, how many people did it take to compile this, how much did it cost, have a quick peep at it, and you soon realise this is just the tip of Birmingham's money-guzzling iceberg.


https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downloads/file/17001/equality_in_employment_monitoring_report_2019_to_2 020

[Swissclaret]

You want to know where the money goes, have a look at this, how many people did it take to compile this, how much did it cost, have a quick peep at it, and you soon realise this is just the tip of Birmingham's money-guzzling iceberg.


https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downloads/file/17001/equality_in_employment_monitoring_report_2019_to_2 020

I didn’t get beyond the first paragraph before reaching for the sick bucket. As you say, how much does all that cost? However, their hand is forced somewhat as they are obliged to comply with the requirements of the Equality Act 2010.

Another massive waste of money and resources, spawning a whole industry of well paid, non - productive jobs, pandering to bullsh*t idealism favoured by the lefties and liberals.

[sinkov]

I didn’t get beyond the first paragraph before reaching for the sick bucket. As you say, how much does all that cost? However, their hand is forced somewhat as they are obliged to comply with the requirements of the Equality Act 2010.

Another massive waste of money and resources, spawning a whole industry of well paid, non - productive jobs, pandering to bullsh*t idealism favoured by the lefties and liberals.

The Equality Act 2010, the date gives it away, cooked up by the previous Labour government, and without checking I would imagine it was part of the deal the Tories had to strike to endure the support of Clegg's LibDems.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I didn’t get beyond the first paragraph before reaching for the sick bucket. As you say, how much does all that cost? However, their hand is forced somewhat as they are obliged to comply with the requirements of the Equality Act 2010.

Another massive waste of money and resources, spawning a whole industry of well paid, non - productive jobs, pandering to bullsh*t idealism favoured by the lefties and liberals.

I've long held the view that if you do the same job as some else is doing you must have equal recompense. I'm not sure how that qualifies as a left or liberal view.

I'm also gobsmacked that a Metropolitan City Council have left themselves open to equal pay compensation payments. Does anyone actually do any work in this country?

[sinkov]

I've long held the view that if you do the same job as some else is doing you must have equal recompense. I'm not sure how that qualifies as a left or liberal view.


It was clearly not the view of the Lefty Birmingham City Council, that's why they're in the financial mire now.

[Supersub6]

THis was over two years ago and has gone up again since.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/pay-rises-700-over-3000-20265459

[sinkov]

THis was over two years ago and has gone up again since.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/pay-rises-700-over-3000-20265459

Nothing Lefties like so much as a gravy train. XD

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Nothing Lefties like so much as a gravy train. XD

After watching Hancock and his cronies gorge on the Covid PPS Gravy Train it would be quite impossible to say which lot are worse. One of the few who found exemption from climbing on board the aforementioned gravy train is deciding to chuck his hat in the ring to be Mayor of London. Boy, would that upset Starmer's apple cart. XD

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[Swissclaret]

I've long held the view that if you do the same job as some else is doing you must have equal recompense. I'm not sure how that qualifies as a left or liberal view.

I'm also gobsmacked that a Metropolitan City Council have left themselves open to equal pay compensation payments. Does anyone actually do any work in this country?

I agree with you entirely BT on equal pay for the same job. However, the Equality Act 2010 replaced 116 pieces of legislation and goes far wider than equal pay.

Whoever spawned it, Labour, Tory or Liberal, it has created yet more levels of non-productive expenditure in the public sector.

I agree also that Osbourne hit Councils hard with the austerity cuts. The country itself is technically bankrupt, let alone Birmingham Council and others.

The claims faced by Councils, the NHS and so on amount to billions every year.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I agree with you entirely BT on equal pay for the same job. However, the Equality Act 2010 replaced 116 pieces of legislation and goes far wider than equal pay.

Whoever spawned it, Labour, Tory or Liberal, it has created yet more levels of non-productive expenditure in the public sector.

I agree also that Osbourne hit Councils hard with the austerity cuts. The country itself is technically bankrupt, let alone Birmingham Council and others.

The claims faced by Councils, the NHS and so on amount to billions every year.

In Bolton where I live the Tories cut the Bolton Metropolitan Council's budget by 50%, the austerity measures had an enormous social impact.

The CEO decided to keep afloat he would have to increase business rates and domestic council tax for the masses. The result was the centre of Bolton is a ghost town, M & S departed, Debenhams shut down, stores relocated to satellite business parks where the rates were more favourable and the town centre footfall is half of what it used to be.

If Cameron & Osborne had a plan to decimate a northern town they managed a 100% success.

Trickle down economics? Not here in Bolton it doesn't.

[army88]

In Bolton where I live the Tories cut the Bolton Metropolitan Council's budget by 50%, the austerity measures had an enormous social impact.

The CEO decided to keep afloat he would have to increase business rates and domestic council tax for the masses. The result was the centre of Bolton is a ghost town, M & S departed, Debenhams shut down, stores relocated to satellite business parks where the rates were more favourable and the town centre footfall is half of what it used to be.

If Cameron & Osborne had a plan to decimate a northern town they managed a 100% success.

Trickle down economics? Not here in Bolton it doesn't.

It’s everywhere that BT - Bradford - Keighley

The knock on effect is devastating no shops as you say and the congregation of youths - violence - crime all happening- cars racing around at 60/70/ 80 mph Asians closing roads to race cars - all allowed to happen without a question being asked.

Reality is we have to pay for the policing and public order but there really is no confidence in any of it / them is there ? Because no one wants to confront or ask the awkward questions- make the arrests, basically stop the social mockery thats happening.

The towns are dying - the country is tbh and both main party’s might as well be monkeys at the zoo , it’s embarrassing.

[sinkov]

This nails it as well,

"Councils in general spend so much on propaganda, pensions, redundancy payments to people they then rehire, rainbow flags and on pursuing an agenda of cultural, moral and social revolution that it is amazing any of them are still solvent. In their concrete corridors of mediocrity, the thousands of fanatics and zealots turned out by our alleged universities thrive and rule. Apart from the state schools, there is probably no more dense concentration of all the daft ideas that have taken over our country in the last half-century. Though the organisation formerly known as 'The Police' must come a close third."

[Tap in MN]

I agree VC. The water companies are a classic example. The waterways and the seas are a disgrace. Outrageous salaries, high dividend payouts and minimal infrastructure investment.

What amazes me is that Britain sends aid to China and India. Both of them can afford a space programme! How ludicrous is that!

I would like you expand on this aid sc thankyou.

[Tap in MN]

In 2008 there was a massive bailout here of some very big finance companies. Absolutely nothing to do with lefties. Too big to be allowed to fail was the mantra.

[Tap in MN]

I find it sad that, apparently Jews are the problem.

With views like that the Voters deserved to be f*ucked and ripped off.

Surely to God there is a better way. Socialism has been proved to be rubbish from day one. It has never worked and never will. Absolute capitalism is just as bad.

Isn’t it time that people in Britain said «*enough is enough*»? Labour, Tory, Liberal, SNP and so on are a load of sh*te and people need look to either alternatives or start again. A party of common sense that looks to what is best for the country and is willing to call a spade a spade?

Everyone on this site I am sure pays taxes and what do you get from it? Day in and day out, f*ucked up the ar*e. The rich get richer. The lazy b*stards get richer whilst the conscientious ones get poorer.

As sinkov has said so many times, the lunatics are running the asylum and this seems to be accepted!

If you can, move to Switzerland or elsewhere rather than choose the best sun lounger on the Titanic.

The problem is sc no one can agree on what is best for the "country". That's why we have several political parties.
The nordic countries seem to have found a happy medium, Denmark and Finland are consistently considered to be the happiest countries in he world which requires a level of civility apparently absent in Britain. IMO the British class system has a lot to answer for

[army88]

The problem is sc no one can agree on what is best for the "country". That's why we have several political parties.
The nordic countries seem to have found a happy medium, Denmark and Finland are consistently considered to be the happiest countries in he world which requires a level of civility apparently absent in Britain. IMO the British class system has a lot to answer for

Only two parties really TAP , alot pretend but it’s the shocking conservatives and Labour in reality

We’re kidding ourselves if we think either of the parties gives an ounce of interest to the common man and how he survives and prospers.

The two leading parties are worse now than I can ever remember, there is no governance to check the politicians and what they’re up to - ( usually it’s no good ).

I guess it’s a different perspective in china ( think that’s where you are ).

We are definitely on a slippy slope here that’s for definite.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

The one message that is loud and clear "Austerity does not work!" I heard Starmer spouting more austerity is on the way.

Yee Gods! :blue:

[Swissclaret]

I would like you expand on this aid sc thankyou.

According to Government statistics the British Government gave £391 million in aid to China in respect of so - called common interests like climate change and human rights. This was between 2011 and 2021. The annual amount peaked in 2019 at, I believe, £87 million. It is now declining.

[alfinyalcabo]

According to Government statistics the British Government gave £391 million in aid to China in respect of so - called common interests like climate change and human rights. This was between 2011 and 2021. The annual amount peaked in 2019 at, I believe, £87 million. It is now declining.

And what have the Chinky cnuts given us in return apart from sore finger on crappy Chinese chippy food.

[Vintage Claret]

And what have the Chinky cnuts given us in return apart from sore finger on crappy Chinese chippy food.

Alf, I would suggest the biggest and most costly thing we got from China was COVID19.

[army88]

Alf, I would suggest the biggest and most costly thing we got from China was COVID19.

Watched an interesting interview the other day vintage between us and the Americans we were on the Covid trials and experiments in 2012 and slightly before, we knew all about it , what it did and how to treat it - yet they spunked all the money pretending we knew nothing about the antigen or treatments - looks like everything else from the government’s and above more lies.

[alfinyalcabo]

And what have the Chinky cnuts given us in return apart from sore finger on crappy Chinese chippy food.


Alf, I would suggest the biggest and most costly thing we got from China was COVID19.

Flippin heck Vintage,I'd forgot about that..Another senior moment. 😳

[Supersub6]

Watched an interesting interview the other day vintage between us and the Americans we were on the Covid trials and experiments in 2012 and slightly before, we knew all about it , what it did and how to treat it - yet they spunked all the money pretending we knew nothing about the antigen or treatments - looks like everything else from the government’s and above more lies.

Plus ca change army, we have been getting ripped off for years and there is bugger all that any of us can do about it. The answer is to get on and live your life regardless of what is thrown at you and ensure that you look after yourself first and foremost and other things will fall into place.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Watched an interesting interview the other day vintage between us and the Americans we were on the Covid trials and experiments in 2012 and slightly before, we knew all about it , what it did and how to treat it - yet they spunked all the money pretending we knew nothing about the antigen or treatments - looks like everything else from the government’s and above more lies.

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[The Bedlington Terrier]

Spending hundreds of millions on anachronistic nonsense doesn't help either...

"As well as inheriting the Queen's personal fortune, the King received the annual Sovereign Grant of £86.3 million ($109m) from the Crown Estate towards travel, maintenance of the palaces, and running the royal household. He also inherited the private estate known as the Duchy of Lancaster, estimated to be worth £650 million ($821.5m) and providing the King with an annual income of around £24 million ($30.3m) from commercial and agricultural properties, plus residential assets mainly based in the North of England."

[sinkov]

Spending hundreds of millions on anachronistic nonsense doesn't help either...

"As well as inheriting the Queen's personal fortune, the King received the annual Sovereign Grant of £86.3 million ($109m) from the Crown Estate towards travel, maintenance of the palaces, and running the royal household. He also inherited the private estate known as the Duchy of Lancaster, estimated to be worth £650 million ($821.5m) and providing the King with an annual income of around £24 million ($30.3m) from commercial and agricultural properties, plus residential assets mainly based in the North of England."

Good to see it's self-financing, don't want a monarchy that sponges off the taxpayer.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Good to see it's self-financing, don't want a monarchy that sponges off the taxpayer.

£86.3 million from the taxpayer and raping residential assets mainly based in the North of England hardly qualifies as "self-financing sinkov. :s

[Supersub6]

£86.3 million from the taxpayer and raping residential assets mainly based in the North of England hardly qualifies as "self-financing sinkov. :s

He doesn't get £86.3 million from the taxpayer, it comes from the Crown Estate which is nothing to do with the taxpayer and is a highly profitable organisation which made a profit of around £345 million in 2021 and is the basis on which the Sovereign Grant is based.
No doubt the republicans would like to get their hands on that dosh, it would all soon be frittered away.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

He doesn't get £86.3 million from the taxpayer, it comes from the Crown Estate which is nothing to do with the taxpayer and is a highly profitable organisation which made a profit of around £345 million in 2021 and is the basis on which the Sovereign Grant is based.
No doubt the republicans would like to get their hands on that dosh, it would all soon be frittered away.

Did he pay tax on it?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I'll tell S_c where it's not going...

NHS Update: The number of RTT pathways where a patient was waiting to start treatment at the
end of July 2023 was 7.7 million.
• Among the 7.7 million, in 389,952 cases the patient was waiting more than 52 weeks,
in 96,722 cases they were waiting more than 65 weeks, in 7,289 cases they were
waiting more than 78 weeks, and in 277 cases they were waiting more than 104
weeks.
• At the end of July 2023, 58.6% of patients waiting to start treatment (incomplete
pathways) were waiting up to 18 weeks, thus not meeting the 92% standard.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

NHS: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/09/Jul23-RTT-SPN-publication-version-PDF-422K-01493.pdf?utm_medium=email&utm_source=CampaignMonitor_Editorial&utm_campaign=LNCH%20%2020230914%20%20House%20Ads%2 0%20SM+CID_c59c33dafc841ec7c1ae7de7336f6a7e

[sinkov]

£86.3 million from the taxpayer and raping residential assets mainly based in the North of England hardly qualifies as "self-financing sinkov. :s

Sounds like lefty drivel to me mon ami and that's putting it mildly, you've been reading the Grauniad again haven't you. Could you be more explicit in explaining just what it is you think your King is doing wrong ? Thank you in anticipation.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Sounds like lefty drivel to me mon ami and that's putting it mildly, you've been reading the Grauniad again haven't you. Could you be more explicit in explaining just what it is you think your King is doing wrong ? Thank you in anticipation.

Not my King mon ami, he's just another sponging git living off the State but with a lot bigger benefits.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I am not asking this question to inspire a debate between Labour and Tory.

With the bankruptcy of Birmingham council, the fact that there is income tax, capital gains tax, inheritance tax, VAT, council tax, special taxes, government debts over a trillion, the country is decaying before our eyes, where does all the money go to?

Wherever you look, Britain is increasingly a third world country. The tax take is massive by anyone’s standards.

I know one lot who don't pay any taxes S_c,,,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-57559653

[sinkov]

Not my King mon ami,

Oh but he is mon ami, he most certainly is. And to get the relationship just right, you're one of his subjects. B)

[alfinyalcabo]

Yes Sinky,BT is a Royal subject. 😉

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Sounds like lefty drivel to me mon ami and that's putting it mildly, you've been reading the Grauniad again haven't you. Could you be more explicit in explaining just what it is you think your King is doing wrong ? Thank you in anticipation.

In today's news outlet of your choice mon ami "The Spectator". ;D

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Oh but he is mon ami, he most certainly is. And to get the relationship just right, you're one of his subjects. B)

He can f*ck right off sinkov. I'm not living in mediaeval England.

[army88]

He can f*ck right off sinkov. I'm not living in mediaeval England.

You do get heat up about royals Bt - tax dodgers you say - taking money that could be used for other purposes.

And yet ironically the billions that get spunked on illegal imigrants and their free health - dentistry - hotels - food - spending money is all acceptable to you , add to that the sponging generation that lets be honest refuses to work in our country - at least the royals generate income for our country.

I really don’t see your issues with the royal family

[sinkov]

He can f*ck right off sinkov. I'm not living in mediaeval England.

Unless and until you renounce your citizenship mon ami, Charlie is your King and you are his subject, it is what it is, nothing you can do about it, you can't opt out. Don't really know why you get your knickers in a twist about it, you don't actually have to do anything, forelock touching is not obligatory, just get on with your life as Sub would advise and don't fret about it.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

You do get heat up about royals Bt - tax dodgers you say - taking money that could be used for other purposes.

And yet ironically the billions that get spunked on illegal imigrants and their free health - dentistry - hotels - food - spending money is all acceptable to you , add to that the sponging generation that lets be honest refuses to work in our country - at least the royals generate income for our country.

I really don’t see your issues with the royal family

This immigration malarkey is purely down to the EU taking the pi$$ army88. We seem powerless to stop it without using blunt military force.

We have no living politician with the cojones to take such action so we will just have to suck it up I'm sorry to say.

Meanwhile the Royal Family will also continue to take the pi$$.

Stalin and his ilk would sort these two issues out within a week. ;D

[ClaretinBudapest]

This immigration malarkey is purely down to the EU taking the pi$$ army88. We seem powerless to stop it without using blunt military force.

We have no living politician with the cojones to take such action so we will just have to suck it up I'm sorry to say.

Meanwhile the Royal Family will also continue to take the pi$$.

Stalin and his ilk would sort these two issues out within a week. ;D

We have one here in Hungary BT and he is the most popular politician ever winning 3 elections on the bounce with a two thirds majority.He held a referendum on whether illegal migrants should be allowed to settle here and 98% of the people said no.End of the matter.If your politicians are more interested in pleasing the fake liberals who would call you a racist then I suggest they get another job.They are elected to carry out the will of the people and they want illegal migration to stop.A PM and government that stopped the illegal migration and returned all the other illegals who are in accomadation in the uk would be a hero in the eyes of the people that vote.
We have a land border and we can stop the migrants.It is not difficult if you really want to do it.They climb over the fence and as soon as they are caught they are escorted back to the other side of the fence.Simples. The boat that collects them does not go to Dover but steams right back to the beach at Calais and then kick them off.The problem would be over in 6 months once they realise they are waisting their time.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

We have one here in Hungary BT and he is the most popular politician ever winning 3 elections on the bounce with a two thirds majority.He held a referendum on whether illegal migrants should be allowed to settle here and 98% of the people said no.End of the matter.If your politicians are more interested in pleasing the fake liberals who would call you a racist then I suggest they get another job.They are elected to carry out the will of the people and they want illegal migration to stop.A PM and government that stopped the illegal migration and returned all the other illegals who are in accomadation in the uk would be a hero in the eyes of the people that vote.
We have a land border and we can stop the migrants.It is not difficult if you really want to do it.They climb over the fence and as soon as they are caught they are escorted back to the other side of the fence.Simples. The boat that collects them does not go to Dover but steams right back to the beach at Calais and then kick them off.The problem would be over in 6 months once they realise they are waisting their time.

It's all a question of political willpower and cojones CiB, sadly we have nothing but weak politicians here and a horribly petty Royal Family who care only for themselves...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/news/their-royal-pettiness-monarchy-s-shunning-of-prince-harry-s-invictus-games-is-frustrating-veterans/ar-AA1gJFud?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=aab7411eabdf468c8ed33a52e740f2a0&ei=26

[sinkov]

We have one here in Hungary BT and he is the most popular politician ever winning 3 elections on the bounce with a two thirds majority.He held a referendum on whether illegal migrants should be allowed to settle here and 98% of the people said no.End of the matter.If your politicians are more interested in pleasing the fake liberals who would call you a racist then I suggest they get another job.They are elected to carry out the will of the people and they want illegal migration to stop.A PM and government that stopped the illegal migration and returned all the other illegals who are in accomadation in the uk would be a hero in the eyes of the people that vote.
We have a land border and we can stop the migrants.It is not difficult if you really want to do it.They climb over the fence and as soon as they are caught they are escorted back to the other side of the fence.Simples. The boat that collects them does not go to Dover but steams right back to the beach at Calais and then kick them off.The problem would be over in 6 months once they realise they are waisting their time.

Spot on CiB, yet another blast of common sense from the eastern end of Europe. It's not going to happen though, you talk about our politicians pleasing the fake liberals, the problem is our politicians, even the so called Tories, aren't just pleasing the fake liberals, they ARE fake liberals. So we are fecked.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Political affiliations aside, the EU with their so-called Schengen rules (to which they do not adhere too) are seriously taking the pi$$ and gutless Sunak and Starmer are standing on the side-lines applauding. :mad:

[army88]

This immigration malarkey is purely down to the EU taking the pi$$ army88. We seem powerless to stop it without using blunt military force.

We have no living politician with the cojones to take such action so we will just have to suck it up I'm sorry to say.

Meanwhile the Royal Family will also continue to take the pi$$.

Stalin and his ilk would sort these two issues out within a week. ;D

Tbf BT if we didn’t make it so attractive for them when they get here we might put them off but no we keep giving them everything,

In France they’re under a tarpolin here they get 5 star.