Tell Me I’m Wrong

[magpie2k4]

We’ve only made one good (football radar) signing this season.

Crowley

Didzy asked to come and was not a FR signing.

Jones was here last season and hence I’m not counting him as a new signing.

Everyone else signed this season is not good enough for a league 2 promotion push.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

You're wrong !x

[durhampie]

We’ve only made one good (football radar) signing this season.

Crowley

Didzy asked to come and was not a FR signing.

Jones was here last season and hence I’m not counting him as a new signing.

Everyone else signed this season is not good enough for a league 2 promotion push.

Correct, they have all been crap..

[Nigel_M]

Williams had tried to sign Crowley at 2 other clubs prior to Notts - so even he wasn't actually a player identified by Radar. He'd worked with Randall at Swindon so even Williams scouting wasn't perfect!

[magpie2k4]

You're wrong !x

Show your working please

[BanjoPie]

I’m with Pedro

[Bohinen]

Jatta isn't FR either, he was known to the brothers from their other club. Here's another question, has FR recruited a good defender ever. And I don't mean wing backs, they are wingers really.

[BanjoPie]

Show your working please

You show yours first!

[tied_up_in_notts]

Show your working please
Surely he was just doing what you asked for

[magpie2k4]

You show yours first!

My working is simple.
Look at our league position!

They simply aren’t good enough!

Crowley is, and he’s the only radar signing this season who is good enough.

[BanjoPie]

My working is simple.
Look at our league position!

They simply aren’t good enough!

Crowley is, and he’s the only radar signing this season who is good enough.

What about Morais??

[magpie2k4]

Morias was signed last season.

I’m talking about this season

Morias isn’t good enough either though

[magpie2k4]

Tell me a radar signing this season who is good enough, other than Crowley

[marky]

Tell me a radar signing this season who is good enough, other than Crowley

Macari possibly but we haven't yet seen enough to tell either way. The goalkeeper situation has been a shambles Trewesque or Hardyesque.

[magpie2k4]

Macari scored a fantastic ‘hit and hope’ that we’ve all scored in the park. He’s done it once and there is no evidence he has it in his locker more than once.

Plus he’s a defender and defensively I’ve seen nothing to suggest he’s an upgrade (currently).

[SwalePie]

I reckon Robertson will turn out to be decent.

[magpie2k4]

I reckon Robertson will turn out to be decent.

I hope so, but currently he’s not at the necessary level.

[magpie2k4]

Come on, anyone!!

Any RADAR signing (this season) that is good enough for a league 2 promotion push? (Other than Crowley).

[Elite_Pie]

Come on, anyone!!

Any RADAR signing (this season) that is good enough for a league 2 promotion push? (Other than Crowley).

Far too early to decide, unless you think you can judge a player on 3 games. I think Robertson will prove to be a good signing, and Macari might be up to it with a few more games under his belt.

[jackal2]

I hope so, but currently he’s not at the necessary level.

Robertson's level was fine against Gillingham. Problem was, nobody else's was (except Jones obviously).

Robertson's role isn't the type where he'll stand out and set the world alight. It's to do the ugly work and then pass the ball quickly to the attacking players. He looks like he'll do that, but we need two of those in midfield to provide a proper screen.

The balance isn't right at present. We got away with it last season but not against the stronger opponents we face now. Bostock is presumably supposed to be a deep lying playmaker, but he's too prone to dwell and give the ball away in dangerous areas, and his tracking and tackling aren't good enough for someone playing a semi-defensive role. For me, there's only space for Bostock or Crowley, and they need to be deployed in an attacking midfield role where they can express themselves and are covered by others if they lose the ball.

[kill_the_drum]

Come on, anyone!!

Any RADAR signing (this season) that is good enough for a league 2 promotion push? (Other than Crowley).

What’s the relevance of it being radar or not?
The players are signed by Notts County.
Jason Turner stated a few times that signings are a collective decision.
And if it was relevant I’d argue Jones/Mcgoldrick, that you aren’t counting, would have eaten up considerable budget so would have affected the calibre of player that radar would pursue.
I would argue that Robertson has shown enough to suggest he’s good enough but it would be totally unreasonable to call it either way.

[Big_Bad_Bob]

Robertson's level was fine against Gillingham. Problem was, nobody else's was (except Jones obviously).

Robertson's role isn't the type where he'll stand out and set the world alight. It's to do the ugly work and then pass the ball quickly to the attacking players. He looks like he'll do that, but we need two of those in midfield to provide a proper screen.

The balance isn't right at present. We got away with it last season but not against the stronger opponents we face now. Bostock is presumably supposed to be a deep lying playmaker, but he's too prone to dwell and give the ball away in dangerous areas, and his tracking and tackling aren't good enough for someone playing a semi-defensive role. For me, there's only space for Bostock or Crowley, and they need to be deployed in an attacking midfield role where they can express themselves and are covered by others if they lose the ball.

Agree with this.

The team has suffered generally since Palmer’s injury, but Bostock as an individual has suffered arguably the most.

Palmer covered so much ground, and reads the game so well that it gave Bostock the freedom to express himself in a way more suited to his undoubted talents.

He’s now having to perform a role he’s not really suited to, nor got the legs for, due to the lack of alternatives, and all are suffering as a result.

[Mark_Ross]

Don't like putting players down - they're trying their best.
But yes, IMHO Crowley is the only new player who has made a positive impact.

[BanjoPie]

I hope so, but currently he’s not at the necessary level.

Why on earth are you so negative?

[magpie2k4]

I’m not being negative.

I always support and never boo.

I’m simply saying this season has had poor recruitment. Two summer signings (of many) have been good. Didzy wanted to come here and hence Crowley has been the only sufficient summer signing.

We have signed further players since the summer and none have hit the ground running. Maybe one or two will get up to speed, but probably too late for this season.

Instead of blaming the managers, maybe we should be questioning the head of recruitment?

[magpie_mania]

I’m not being negative.

I always support and never boo.

I’m simply saying this season has had poor recruitment. Two summer signings (of many) have been good. Didzy wanted to come here and hence Crowley has been the only sufficient summer signing.

We have signed further players since the summer and none have hit the ground running. Maybe one or two will get up to speed, but probably too late for this season.

Instead of blaming the managers, maybe we should be questioning the head of recruitment?

Who is blaming the managers?

We are a work-in-progress.

Robertson is already proving imo to be a good signing.

Macari looks a good prospect.

Warner - only had a couple of games, too early to tell.

Jatta - wait and see

McGoldrick - so ok, he wanted to come here - but still a good signing

I would argue that to say we have only made one good signing is not true.

[upthemaggies]

Instead of blaming the managers, maybe we should be questioning the head of recruitment?

One thing we know for certain is that Maynard didn't appoint himself, nor has he arrived with a big time reputation and about to do a Kendall or Ince in failing to apply himself properly. It's definitely on those upstairs if this guy fails.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

We’ve only made one good (football radar) signing this season.

Crowley

Didzy asked to come and was not a FR signing.

Jones was here last season and hence I’m not counting him as a new signing.

Everyone else signed this season is not good enough for a league 2 promotion push.

Whilst your focus is about who has come in during the summer it might be worth considering who we retained as well and look at the overall picture of the squad itself.

We kept all our stars apart from Ruben Rodrigues and Crowley is the natural replacement who came in albeit they are different players. So you are not wrong in that respect.

So the budget for Macca (am I right in thinking he got a better deal?) McGoldrick, Palmer, Bostock and Jones and keeping them here was in my view really good business as all those could play in league one.

The question is could we afford to bring in anymore top league two/lower league one level players in other positions?What the club did was stay loyal to those who got us to this level giving them an opportunity to show if they were capable of playing at a higher level. I don’t think there is anything wrong in that and morally in today’s world it’s commendable. Most of those players were defensive players.

This summer there will be a number of players out of contract so I think it’s plausible that the likes of Baldwin and Cameron will survive but others will go to enable two or three top level defensive players to come in. If we want to be challenging for automatic promotion.

The balance of the squad may level out a bit if we do lose a Jones/Langstaff but like with Ruben we would still need suitable equivalents to be challenging for automatic.

[freemuzzy]

I’m not being negative.

I always support and never boo.

I’m simply saying this season has had poor recruitment. Two summer signings (of many) have been good. Didzy wanted to come here and hence Crowley has been the only sufficient summer signing.

We have signed further players since the summer and none have hit the ground running. Maybe one or two will get up to speed, but probably too late for this season.

Instead of blaming the managers, maybe we should be questioning the head of recruitment?

Love this sort of mental gymnastics.

Refusing to count signings like Jones and McGoldrick, but ALL the less successful ones are 100% Radar. Including Randall presumably who Williams openly said was one driven by him.

Recruitment is a collective and the budget - which, remember, is nowhere near the likes of Stockport and Mansfield let alone Wrexham - is apportioned appropriately; even with significant wage cuts the likes of Jones and McGoldrick aren’t coming cheap, which means we’re not necessarily shopping in the same market as other L2 promotion chasers to complete the squad.

Langstaff also signed a new 4 year deal at the peak of his powers in August, so you’d think for him to do that he was given a wage befitting of someone who’d just scored 42 goals in a season.

Also, in answer to the question elsewhere in the thread asking if Radar have ever signed a good defender - not everyone will agree but personally I think Aden Baldwin is just that. We wouldn’t be in the EFL without him. But under this kind of logic he’s probably not a Radar signing anyway as he’d worked with LW previously. Rawlinson and Lacey were also very good in our National League days; Rawlinson was POTS for our first two seasons if memory serves correctly. And Mark Ellis was exactly what we needed for a spell as a short term fix. But apart from that…

[Davy500]

Love this sort of mental gymnastics.

Refusing to count signings like Jones and McGoldrick, but ALL the less successful ones are 100% Radar. Including Randall presumably who Williams openly said was one driven by him.

Recruitment is a collective and the budget - which, remember, is nowhere near the likes of Stockport and Mansfield let alone Wrexham - is apportioned appropriately; even with significant wage cuts the likes of Jones and McGoldrick aren’t coming cheap, which means we’re not necessarily shopping in the same market as other L2 promotion chasers to complete the squad.

Langstaff also signed a new 4 year deal at the peak of his powers in August, so you’d think for him to do that he was given a wage befitting of someone who’d just scored 42 goals in a season.

Also, in answer to the question elsewhere in the thread asking if Radar have ever signed a good defender - not everyone will agree but personally I think Aden Baldwin is just that. We wouldn’t be in the EFL without him. But under this kind of logic he’s probably not a Radar signing anyway as he’d worked with LW previously. Rawlinson and Lacey were also very good in our National League days; Rawlinson was POTS for our first two seasons if memory serves correctly. And Mark Ellis was exactly what we needed for a spell as a short term fix. But apart from that…

what about Archie Mair = Rador or not - it may be a surprise for some - but LW has to take credit for the decision to bring him on ..

[queenslandpie]

All that is really happened is that we put too much faith in renewing contracts for existing defenders who we have now found out are not up to the job ( radar could not have predicted that) had major injuries to Palmer and Scott and the boss got poached. Its simply that. Nothing more. We will offload some of them and bring others in within the next few months. We are not ready for league one. Just need a bit of patience as we transition to the EFL properly. Problem is we had such as spell binding start a lot of folks cannot handle a bad patch. It's probably a necessary bad patch. We may ( or may not) still make the playoffs. i would say probably not. I don't really see a lot of flaws in the current system other than putting a little too much faith in the current defence to cut the mustard in the EFL and Stone seemingly being unable to find form despite showing it elsewhere, but I can forgive that.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

Far too early to decide, unless you think you can judge a player on 3 games. I think Robertson will prove to be a good signing, and Macari might be up to it with a few more games under his belt.

Or manager come to that !?

[tied_up_in_notts]

Who is blaming the managers?

We are a work-in-progress.

Robertson is already proving imo to be a good signing.

Macari looks a good prospect.

Warner - only had a couple of games, too early to tell.

Jatta - wait and see

McGoldrick - so ok, he wanted to come here - but still a good signing

I would argue that to say we have only made one good signing is not true.

Charlie Colkett?

[uysapie]

All that is really happened is that we put too much faith in renewing contracts for existing defenders who we have now found out are not up to the job ( radar could not have predicted that) had major injuries to Palmer and Scott and the boss got poached. Its simply that. Nothing more. We will offload some of them and bring others in within the next few months. We are not ready for league one. Just need a bit of patience as we transition to the EFL properly. Problem is we had such as spell binding start a lot of folks cannot handle a bad patch. It's probably a necessary bad patch. We may ( or may not) still make the playoffs. i would say probably not. I don't really see a lot of flaws in the current system other than putting a little too much faith in the current defence to cut the mustard in the EFL and Stone seemingly being unable to find form despite showing it elsewhere, but I can forgive that.

defence should have been sorted out in the summer.

[uysapie]

Correct, they have all been crap..

got to agree, none are ready for L2

[queenslandpie]

defence should have been sorted out in the summer.

Outstanding hindsight.

[Jampie]

Well, apart from medicine, irrigation, health, roads, cheese and education, baths and the Circus Maximus, what have the Romans ever done for us?

[queenslandpie]

Well, apart from medicine, irrigation, health, roads, cheese and education, baths and the Circus Maximus, what have the Romans ever done for us?

You forgot the reasonable movie selection you momentous buffoon!

[SmiffyPie]

Outstanding hindsight.But it wasn't hindsight on here was it. A fair few highlighted the fact last season (I was mentioning points dropped by stupid individual errors half way through last season but got shot down by the "Well we score more goals" people). They couldn't (or wouldn't) see that irrespective of how many goals we score there would come a time when the defensive errors would bite us in the arse. I refuse to believe that LW didn't see the issues but for some reason they were never addressed correctly. LW did start to vent his true feelings just before he left when he started making remarks about decision making and individual errors and not being able to get the team to defend as he wanted. My question to him would be how long had he been unhappy or was it a sudden response to the string of poor play we were dipping into? I also wonder if the apparent inability to strengthen the squad in the right places with his choice of player might have had a small influence on his decision to go?

[keldsyke]

Outstanding hindsight.

Not hindsight, incompetence on the recruitment team / owners last season, the facts and failings were there for everyone to see (except for the rose tinted brigade and non attenders (or combination of both))

[kill_the_drum]

But it wasn't hindsight on here was it. A fair few highlighted the fact last season (I was mentioning points dropped by stupid individual errors half way through last season but got shot down by the "Well we score more goals" people). They couldn't (or wouldn't) see that irrespective of how many goals we score there would come a time when the defensive errors would bite us in the arse. I refuse to believe that LW didn't see the issues but for some reason they were never addressed correctly. LW did start to vent his true feelings just before he left when he started making remarks about decision making and individual errors and not being able to get the team to defend as he wanted. My question to him would be how long had he been unhappy or was it a sudden response to the string of poor play we were dipping into? I also wonder if the apparent inability to strengthen the squad in the right places with his choice of player might have had a small influence on his decision to go?

I don’t see our problem this season being defensive errors in the aspect of it being defenders constantly giving the ball away or being caught in possession.
That’s certainly happened at times but the main issue has been losing possession higher up the pitch and leaving our defence totally exposed.
This new lad from Norwich comes with a very good reputation but put him in a back 3 that is outnumbered by the opposition and he won’t make one jot of difference in terms of how many goals we concede.
Without a change to the system I actually think more pressure rides on Robertsons shoulders to stop us conceding.

[keldsyke]

Not hindsight, incompetence on the recruitment team / owners last season, the facts and failings were there for everyone to see

Apologies, may have come across a bit harsh the last sentence that was there, didn’t mean to be so I’ve amended my post to this.

[SmiffyPie]

I don’t see our problem this season being defensive errors in the aspect of it being defenders constantly giving the ball away or being caught in possession.
That’s certainly happened at times but the main issue has been losing possession higher up the pitch and leaving our defence totally exposed.
This new lad from Norwich comes with a very good reputation but put him in a back 3 that is outnumbered by the opposition and he won’t make one jot of difference in terms of how many goals we concede.
Without a change to the system I actually think more pressure rides on Robertsons shoulders to stop us conceding.Yes it is a collective issue and a lot of pressure is put on a back three that isn't the most solid under pressure.