Time spent by ex-league clubs in the 5th tier

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06-10-2021, 05:08 PM
upthemaggies

Time spent by ex-league clubs in the 5th tier

This is how long it took other traditional* league clubs to get out of the 5th tier
*Not including Barnet, Macclesfield etc. and those currently still in the 5th or below.
Most recent season listed first

BRISTOL ROVERS
2014/15 - 5th tier 2nd/24 Won play off final

CAMBRISGE UNITED
2013/14 - 5th tier 2nd/24 Won play off final
2012/13 - 5th tier 14th/24
2011/12 - 5th tier 9th/24
2010/11 - 5th tier 17th/24
2009/10 - 5th tier 10th/24
2008/09 - 5th tier 2nd/24 lost play off final
2007/08 - 5th tier 2nd/24 lost play off final
2006/07 - 5th tier 17th/24
2005/06 - 5th tier 12th/22

CARLISLE UNITED
2004/05 - 5th tier 3rd/22 Won play off final

CHESTER
2003/04 - 5th tier 1st/22 Champions
2002/03 - 5th tier 4th/22
2001/02 - 5th tier 14th/22
2000/01 - 5th tier 8th/22

COLCHESTER UNITED
1991/92 - 5th tier 1st/22 Champions
1990/91 - 5th tier 2nd/22

DARLINGTON
1989/90 - 5th tier 1st/22 Champions

DONCASTER ROVERS
2002/03 - 5th tier 3rd/22 Won play off final
2001/02 - 5th tier 4th/22
2000/01 - 5th tier 9th/22
1999/00 - 5th tier 12th/22
1998/99 - 5th tier 16th/22

EXETER CITY
2007/08 - 5th tier 4th/24 Won play off final
2006/07 - 5th tier 5th/24 lost play off final
2005/06 - 5th tier 7th/22
2004/05 - 5th tier 6th/22
2003/04 - 5th tier 6th/22

GRIMSBY TOWN
2015/16 - 5th tier 4th/24 Won play off final
2014/15 - 5th tier 3rd/24 lost play off final
2013/14 - 5th tier 4th/24
2012/13 - 5th tier 4th/24
2011/12 - 5th tier 11th/24
2010/11 - 5th tier 11th/24

HARTLEPOOL UNITED
2020/21 - 5th tier 4th/23 Won play off final
2019/20 - 5th tier 12th/24
2018/19 - 5th tier 16th/24
2017/18 - 5th tier 15th/24

LEYTON ORIENT
2018/19 - 5th tier 1st/24 Champions
2017/18 - 5th tier 13th/24

LINCOLN CITY (2)
2016/17 - 5th tier 1st/24 Champions
2015/16 - 5th tier 13th/24
2014/15 - 5th tier 15th/24
2013/14 - 5th tier 14th/24
2012/13 - 5th tier 16th/24
2011/12 - 5th tier 17th/24

LINCOLN CITY (1)
1987/88 - 5th tier 1st/22 Champions

LUTON TOWN
2013/14 - 5th tier 1st/24 Champions
2012/13 - 5th tier 7th/24
2011/12 - 5th tier 5th/24 lost play off final
2010/11 - 5th tier 3rd/24 lost play off final
2009/10 - 5th tier 2nd/24

MANSFIELD TOWN
2012/13 - 5th tier 1st/24 Champions
2011/12 - 5th tier 3rd/24
2010/11 - 5th tier 12th/24
2009/10 - 5th tier 9th/24
2008/09 - 5th tier 12th/24

OXFORD UNITED
2009/10 - 5th tier 3rd/24 Won play off final
2008/09 - 5th tier 7th/24
2007/08 - 5th tier 9th/24
2006/07 - 5th tier 2nd/24

SHREWSBURY TOWN
2003/04 - 5th tier 3rd/22 Won play off final

TORQUAY UNITED
2008/09 - 5th tier 4th/24 Won play off final
2007/08 - 5th tier 3rd/24

TRANMERE ROVERS
2017/18 - 5th tier 2nd/24 Won play off final
2016/17 - 5th tier 2nd/24 lost play off final
2015/16 - 5th tier 6th/24

YORK CITY
2011/12 - 5th tier 4th/24 won play off final
2010/11 - 5th tier 8th/24
2009/10 - 5th tier 5th/24 lost play off final
2008/09 - 5th tier 17th/24
2007/08 - 5th tier 14th/24
2006/07 - 5th tier 4th/24
2005/06 - 5th tier 8th/22
2004/05 - 5th tier 17th/22
06-10-2021, 05:22 PM
matt_magpie

Quote:

Originally Posted by upthemaggies

This is how long it took other traditional* league clubs to get out of the 5th tier
*Not including Barnet, Macclesfield etc. and those currently still in the 5th or below.
Most recent season listed first

BRISTOL ROVERS
2014/15 - 5th tier 2nd/24 Won play off final

CAMBRISGE UNITED
2013/14 - 5th tier 2nd/24 Won play off final
2012/13 - 5th tier 14th/24
2011/12 - 5th tier 9th/24
2010/11 - 5th tier 17th/24
2009/10 - 5th tier 10th/24
2008/09 - 5th tier 2nd/24 lost play off final
2007/08 - 5th tier 2nd/24 lost play off final
2006/07 - 5th tier 17th/24
2005/06 - 5th tier 12th/22

CARLISLE UNITED
2004/05 - 5th tier 3rd/22 Won play off final

CHESTER
2003/04 - 5th tier 1st/22 Champions
2002/03 - 5th tier 4th/22
2001/02 - 5th tier 14th/22
2000/01 - 5th tier 8th/22

COLCHESTER UNITED
1991/92 - 5th tier 1st/22 Champions
1990/91 - 5th tier 2nd/22

DARLINGTON
1989/90 - 5th tier 1st/22 Champions

DONCASTER ROVERS
2002/03 - 5th tier 3rd/22 Won play off final
2001/02 - 5th tier 4th/22
2000/01 - 5th tier 9th/22
1999/00 - 5th tier 12th/22
1998/99 - 5th tier 16th/22

EXETER CITY
2007/08 - 5th tier 4th/24 Won play off final
2006/07 - 5th tier 5th/24 lost play off final
2005/06 - 5th tier 7th/22
2004/05 - 5th tier 6th/22
2003/04 - 5th tier 6th/22

GRIMSBY TOWN
2015/16 - 5th tier 4th/24 Won play off final
2014/15 - 5th tier 3rd/24 lost play off final
2013/14 - 5th tier 4th/24
2012/13 - 5th tier 4th/24
2011/12 - 5th tier 11th/24
2010/11 - 5th tier 11th/24

HARTLEPOOL UNITED
2020/21 - 5th tier 4th/23 Won play off final
2019/20 - 5th tier 12th/24
2018/19 - 5th tier 16th/24
2017/18 - 5th tier 15th/24

LEYTON ORIENT
2018/19 - 5th tier 1st/24 Champions
2017/18 - 5th tier 13th/24

LINCOLN CITY (2)
2016/17 - 5th tier 1st/24 Champions
2015/16 - 5th tier 13th/24
2014/15 - 5th tier 15th/24
2013/14 - 5th tier 14th/24
2012/13 - 5th tier 16th/24
2011/12 - 5th tier 17th/24

LINCOLN CITY (1)
1987/88 - 5th tier 1st/22 Champions

LUTON TOWN
2013/14 - 5th tier 1st/24 Champions
2012/13 - 5th tier 7th/24
2011/12 - 5th tier 5th/24 lost play off final
2010/11 - 5th tier 3rd/24 lost play off final
2009/10 - 5th tier 2nd/24

MANSFIELD TOWN
2012/13 - 5th tier 1st/24 Champions
2011/12 - 5th tier 3rd/24
2010/11 - 5th tier 12th/24
2009/10 - 5th tier 9th/24
2008/09 - 5th tier 12th/24

OXFORD UNITED
2009/10 - 5th tier 3rd/24 Won play off final
2008/09 - 5th tier 7th/24
2007/08 - 5th tier 9th/24
2006/07 - 5th tier 2nd/24

SHREWSBURY TOWN
2003/04 - 5th tier 3rd/22 Won play off final

TORQUAY UNITED
2008/09 - 5th tier 4th/24 Won play off final
2007/08 - 5th tier 3rd/24

TRANMERE ROVERS
2017/18 - 5th tier 2nd/24 Won play off final
2016/17 - 5th tier 2nd/24 lost play off final
2015/16 - 5th tier 6th/24

YORK CITY
2011/12 - 5th tier 4th/24 won play off final
2010/11 - 5th tier 8th/24
2009/10 - 5th tier 5th/24 lost play off final
2008/09 - 5th tier 17th/24
2007/08 - 5th tier 14th/24
2006/07 - 5th tier 4th/24
2005/06 - 5th tier 8th/22
2004/05 - 5th tier 17th/22

And that’s just the ones that have got out, I.e. not Chesterfield, Wrexham and Stockport.

In my opinion it’s the toughest league to get out of, 1 auto, inconsistent players ability/performances meaning that sometimes it just comes together for a season with the likes of Sutton and Barrow and other teams on paper that should do well faulter.
They need to put it to 2 autos as that would be fair, but after listening to that Ollie Bayliss he said doubtful now after covid as it showed the frailties of NL clubs finances and EFL would hesitate relegating more of its membership clubs into it.
06-10-2021, 05:31 PM
Elite_Pie

Quote:

Originally Posted by matt_magpie

And that’s just the ones that have got out, I.e. not Chesterfield, Wrexham and Stockport.

In my opinion it’s the toughest league to get out of, 1 auto, inconsistent players ability/performances meaning that sometimes it just comes together for a season with the likes of Sutton and Barrow and other teams on paper that should do well faulter.
They need to put it to 2 autos as that would be fair, but after listening to that Ollie Bayliss he said doubtful now after covid as it showed the frailties of NL clubs finances and EFL would hesitate relegating more of its membership clubs into it.

But in that list there are eight examples of clubs who went back up quicker than us.

At the moment I can’t see that number stopping at eight.
06-10-2021, 05:31 PM
upthemaggies

Almost all got out in 5 seasons or less, so by that yardstick we ought to be back in the FL by 2024/25 at the latest.
Will be a shocker if we take longer than Mansfield (who took 5).

Looking at the bottom of tier 4, we're likely to get two more traditional names dropping down as it stands. Makes the fixture list a little less depressing but doesn't make it any easier to get out.
06-10-2021, 05:48 PM
MAD_MAGPIE

At this point in time the hope I have is for us to follow in the footsteps of Luton once they got promoted out of this league, although I'd like us to get out of this league quicker than them as it took five years to get out. They actually finished lower every season until their fourth season in which they finished 7th their lowest position at this level before being champions the season after.

Luton
Season 5 - 5th tier 1st/24 Champions
Season 4 - 5th tier 7th/24
Season 3 - 5th tier 5th/24 lost play off final
Season 2 - 5th tier 3rd/24 lost play off final
Season 1 - 5th tier 2nd/24

Notts County
Season 2 - 5th tier 5th/24 lost play off semi final
Season 1 - 5th tier 3rd/24 lost play off final
06-10-2021, 06:23 PM
upthemaggies

A simpler table showing how many seasons it took from least to most, includes Barnet, Macc, Cheltenham and also Halifax who I forgot. (1) means first spell after first relegation

1. Bristol Rovers
1. Carlisle United
1. Cheltenham Town
1. Darlington (1)
1. Lincoln City (1)
1. Shrewsbury Town

2. Barnet (2)
2. Colchester Utd
2. Leyton Orient
2. Torquay United (1)

3. Tranmere Rovers

4. Barnet (1)
4. Chester (1)
4. Hartlepool United
4. Oxford United

5. Doncaster Rovers
5. Exeter City
5. Halifax Town (1)
5. Luton Town
5. Mansfield Town

6. Grimsby Town (1)
6. Lincoln City (2)
6. Macclesfield Town (1)

8. York City (1)

9. Cambridge United
9. Hereford United (1)

Currently out for. (including this season)
1. Gimsby Town
1. Southend United
3. Notts County
3. Yeovil Town
4. Barnet (3)
4. Chesterfield
6. York City (2)
8. Torquay Utd (2)
9. Aldershot (2)
10. Hereford (2)
11. Stockport
12. Darlngton (2)
13. Chester (2)
14. Wrexham

Newport and Wimbledon had to start again from the bottom or near bottom of the pyramid.
06-10-2021, 07:46 PM
matt_magpie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elite_Pie

But in that list there are eight examples of clubs who went back up quicker than us.

At the moment I can’t see that number stopping at eight.

No it’s not looking good at the moment and I would be surprised if there’s been any other season before this one where clubs have invested so much.
For whatever reason I’ve become at ease with the current situation on the fact I doubt the owners or manager will leave this season so it’s going to be a case what will be will be.
06-10-2021, 07:58 PM
nw6pie

Quote:

Originally Posted by upthemaggies

Almost all got out in 5 seasons or less, so by that yardstick we ought to be back in the FL by 2024/25 at the latest.
Will be a shocker if we take longer than Mansfield (who took 5).

Looking at the bottom of tier 4, we're likely to get two more traditional names dropping down as it stands. Makes the fixture list a little less depressing but doesn't make it any easier to get out.

Has the 5th division ever been as competitive as this season? I doubt it very much. Three clubs spending big to try to get out, one of them bankrolled by a Hollywood superstar (and over 9k at the game last night). Yet again, we have picked the very worst time to be at a low ebb.
06-10-2021, 08:40 PM
upthemaggies

Quote:

Originally Posted by nw6pie

Has the 5th division ever been as competitive as this season? I doubt it very much. Three clubs spending big to try to get out, one of them bankrolled by a Hollywood superstar (and over 9k at the game last night). Yet again, we have picked the very worst time to be at a low ebb.

This is nothing new. Every time we drop a level or stagnate, more and more clubs get bigger and better than us.
07-10-2021, 04:28 AM
i961pie

Quote:

Originally Posted by matt_magpie

And that’s just the ones that have got out, I.e. not Chesterfield, Wrexham and Stockport.

In my opinion it’s the toughest league to get out of, 1 auto, inconsistent players ability/performances meaning that sometimes it just comes together for a season with the likes of Sutton and Barrow and other teams on paper that should do well faulter.
They need to put it to 2 autos as that would be fair, but after listening to that Ollie Bayliss he said doubtful now after covid as it showed the frailties of NL clubs finances and EFL would hesitate relegating more of its membership clubs into it.

The teams that have gone up recently are doing well, Harrogate are second in div.2 Barrow 7th, Sutton are 11th but will go 4th if they win there game in hand and Hartlepool 13th.