'Dont Exploit our Loyalty' - ER Expansion

With plans announced for the next steps in plan to enhance ER Stadium the core support consultant community reps have noted the clubs key ambitions to.......modernise and improve stadium capacity from 37,645 to circa 53,000 seats with a significant increase to general admission seating..... which at present would make ER the 7th largest club stadium in the country within a core architectural design objective to maintain and enhance the unique atmosphere the ground historically has.......
with a phased approach to construction to minimise loss of seating capacity during the project and bring ER into line with UEFA Category 4 status...... to be amongst the elite in European stadia.

All terrific and welcome news to enjoy but some of us have concerns with admission pricing structures alongside the plans submitted......... as ticket price increases have caused upset among plenty of current PL clubs this season and the supporters of our club are quite rightly asking questions regarding this matter currently.

Several supporter groups from the PL are also asking questions regarding increased pricing for games and most clubs are organising demos to let their feelings known to club owners under the banner of Stop Exploiting Loyalty.......... any incoming Independent Football Regulator should also 'ensure' ticket prices are part of a proper consultation process between a club and its supporters.... ....something which is far from the case at present for many club fans.

https://thefsa.org.uk/news/fan-group...alty-protests/

MOT

I'm confident this will be responded to, Mrs.O...☺

Nothing to respond to. We liver in a world where everything goes up and nothing goes down. The rich get richer and the poor pay the taxes.

I think the expansion debate is a great "problem" to have. Not that long ago we'd never be having it.

Sorry oz... but have to disagree on the taxes. While I've never even sniffed "being rich" I do know that most developed countries the "rich" pay over 80% of the taxes. In some countries it's higher. Not sure what constitutes "rich" anymore but I'd say over 10 million pounds is a good starting point.

I will also make another rather simple minded observation from an old guy in the real world. I've never worked for a poor person. I know the ultimate goal of every government is to have us all working for them but that doesn't tend to work out so well. North Korea, Cuba, Venezuala and a host of African countries are real world examples of that that model.

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Originally Posted by spaldy

I think the expansion debate is a great "problem" to have. Not that long ago we'd never be having it.

Sorry oz... but have to disagree on the taxes. While I've never even sniffed "being rich" I do know that most developed countries the "rich" pay over 80% of the taxes. In some countries it's higher. Not sure what constitutes "rich" anymore but I'd say over 10 million pounds is a good starting point.

I will also make another rather simple minded observation from an old guy in the real world. I've never worked for a poor person. I know the ultimate goal of every government is to have us all working for them but that doesn't tend to work out so well. North Korea, Cuba, Venezuala and a host of African countries are real world examples of that that model.

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Lol don't come to oz than. If you think the rich pay tax well you really aren't rich. We have a billionaire here been questioned why he hid 90k in taxes been paid just this week. We have politicians getting free airplane first class trips nonstop because they didn't allow quator airways the flights they wanted to bring in to save people thousands on fairs by keeping quanta's another rogue origination to each self charging the poorer folk 3 times what they should be paid. Mate the rich get there by not giving away a cent except the pockets they fill. Another example you know some of the richest originations are? The churches and religious groups guess how? No taxes. In my little town we have a group called the brethren they own heaps of big business and huge houses, pay no taxes and the houses aren't taxed because in a tiny corner in the house they put a couple pictures and declare that's the prayer room lol

Several of your examples are government issues and not rich people issues. The fact that some unelected bureacrat has the authority to forbid flights from another airline flying in is not a rich person fault. It's the stooges that elected the government that decided this was "good for the people".

Not that I really think that your our vote counts. As Stalin so aptly put it "it's not who votes that counts, it who counts the votes".

I also strongly suggest that nothing shows concern for "the people" than forbidding any speech that is deemed "offensive" by some unlected bureaucrat.

Regarding Mrs O's post. It takes rich people to make dreams such as Elland road renovation along with beefing up the club's competitiveness. Don't have to like them but unlike government if you don't like them you can choose someone else or discontinue support.

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Originally Posted by MrsORichSenior_

With plans announced for the next steps in plan to enhance ER Stadium the core support consultant community reps have noted the clubs key ambitions to.......modernise and improve stadium capacity from 37,645 to circa 53,000 seats with a significant increase to general admission seating..... which at present would make ER the 7th largest club stadium in the country within a core architectural design objective to maintain and enhance the unique atmosphere the ground historically has.......
with a phased approach to construction to minimise loss of seating capacity during the project and bring ER into line with UEFA Category 4 status...... to be amongst the elite in European stadia.

All terrific and welcome news to enjoy but some of us have concerns with admission pricing structures alongside the plans submitted......... as ticket price increases have caused upset among plenty of current PL clubs this season and the supporters of our club are quite rightly asking questions regarding this matter currently.

Several supporter groups from the PL are also asking questions regarding increased pricing for games and most clubs are organising demos to let their feelings known to club owners under the banner of Stop Exploiting Loyalty.......... any incoming Independent Football Regulator should also 'ensure' ticket prices are part of a proper consultation process between a club and its supporters.... ....something which is far from the case at present for many club fans.

https://thefsa.org.uk/news/fan-group...alty-protests/

MOT

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Responding to the gist of the thread title, the supporters loyalty has been exploited for decades, more so today than at any time in the past, driven now by the insatiable appetite of sports broadcasters who care not one jot for those who go through the turnstiles, only those who pay their extortionate subscriptions. During the Covid period, and since, PL clubs could close their grounds to supporters and still make huge profits. The cost of ER expansion is a comparatively small drop in the ocean of funds available to Leeds as a PL club, hence the entirely predictable pre-requisite to ground expansion of promotion to that league.

The phrase supporter’s loyalty gets banded around in this type of discussion a lot. Not sure what that means in the context.

Not all supporters attend games
Not all supporters but merch

Some attend games infrequently
Some are life long season ticket holders

In the 1980s some of our attendance figures were shockingly low .

I get that people are emotionally invested in the club and can fall into any of the buckets above but the phrase gets used a lot as if the supporters are entitled to something in return for said ‘loyalty’

The owners stumped up the cash to buy the club and they own it. They don’t owe people other than the season ticket holders anything and even then they have a contract that prescribes that relationship.

Instead if the owners take the Mickey then the fan numbers, attendances and merch sales will dwindle so that is the incentive to do the right thing.

There is no suggestion that the owners will reduce curent ST capacity and may increase it by a small amount.

The majority is likely to go on hospitality/boxes and separately premium general tickets.

That is kind of what most of the top PL clubs do and they are not a charity. It simply makes financial sense to do what they are doing in the way they are doing it.


Can’t wait for supporters groups to no doubt ask for reparations for abusing their loyalty.