Burnley v Newcastle United match thread

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Originally Posted by ex_pat_magpie

As you know I have Wolfie blocked on my account but just saw his post via your answer above Toptoon.

He's implying that us wrinklies have seen many bad times but he refers to Ashley's reign as "a walk in the park" compared to what he's witnessed in the past.

Well I may be wrong but I believe I'm probably the oldest poster on here, remembering the club during the war and just after when the serious game began in 1946.

I've seen a few owners from the McKeags, Westwoods and Seymours and a lot of bad times, especially the two decades yo-yoing between the old 1st Div to the 2nd. but there was always hope and positivity, there was always belief that every one at the club from the owner down to the tea lady wanted success and the best.

I've seen some poor teams. I've seen us almost relegated to the third tier but I have never witnessed any senior executive at the club who didn't care and only wanted to milk every penny out of the club to further benefit a tat industry akin to barrowboy standards.

Now I have what I have never had since I went to my first game after the war and that is a numbness and total despair.

I've looked forward to coming back up to Northumberland on holiday and perhaps to return to live there but I couldn't in all honesty and sincerity visit St. James' Park with a clear conscience while that evil, shameless, dishonest slug is at the helm.

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Well said Bill my first game was in 1958 and I think exactly the same a no hope Club

I believe only Wise, Charnley and Ghost think differently.

There's always hope.
Too many people expend far too much energy on hatred.
A person scorned, eh?

The fanbase of Newcastle United spans all ages going way back to just now. Everyone has their own memories, whether it was yesteryear or yesterday.

The only reason hope disappears is, people decide there's none because they try to live their lives on what they want for the future when there isn't a realistic future for anything, only a physical present and a memory laden past.

The past does not cater for the present. It's gone in any physical terms.
Living on history is not living on the present and nor should it be a benchmark for it.

But what memories do in terms of history, is, it gives you an idea of what this club achieved and didn't achieve, throughout.
It's been a right old game of swings and roundabouts, right up to the present time.

We all want better. We all want exciting football with results. Of course we do. I almost beg for it and I'm not happy with the football in half the games this season but the other half I have enjoyed.... yet it gets swept under the carpet as if we haven't played well and it seems all our results are just luck.
It becomes as tedious as hell. (yeah I know, just like my posts, eh?) :p

This criticism at every turn is becoming epidemic. It's almost a pain for some to actually give praise out. Every player is a whisker away from being garbage or being crucified.... and when they start showing some good form, it's taken with a pinch of salt with a " ahhh, just wait, he'll soon get back to being lazy/garbage" and all the rest of the stuff.
Just enjoy the moment for crying out loud.


No wonder people have no hope.
We are in no worse a position than most clubs in the premier league. We have the potential to get better.

We have quite a few players who are expected to hit the ground running. Some sort of have and some haven't.
We have a manager that many are not keen on but deserves to be given time just as the previous manager was afforded, for nothing more... yet had 3 and a bit seasons to basically go forward and ended up going backwards, so Bruce should be allowed enough time to see what and where he can take this squad, plus additions, as and when. And paid much less for it.

I always hold out hope. I'm holding out hope for winning the league title or winning the FA cup or getting into the champions league. I hold out hope for the next game and hope for a victory with some good entertaining football.
I can dream and it may stay a dream but it may not.

We don't get enough entertaining football and that's something I hate but can accept as long as we get a decent portion of it with at least the effort to have a go in other games.
I think we generally do that, only we're basically struggling at times to put to good use, the chances we do create, which is frustrating.

It's fine if people want to dine on good times of the past but they can't be used as a yardstick for what's happening right now. It's a set of good memories that should be parallel with the not so good past just to keep people a bit more grounded as to what dire situations this club has been in, also.... because when you look at it all without rose tinted glasses, you see that we aren't so badly off in the grand scheme of things.

I clearly have a different mindset to many but I'll just add this in to rubber stamp it.
If you picked up Newcastle as a city and plonked it in London or much further south, I believe we'd be sitting with the elites.

I think Ashley knows this and I think Ashley knows that, as a north east club, Newcastle United are going to struggle to keep pace with the big hitters who almost appear to be afforded leeway in the extreme.
We can't live with that but we can live alongside it until that bubble bursts enough for us to start to benefit....if....I say "if" that bubble does burst and if....I say...."if" fairness comes about.

I will say this and this is my thoughts only.
I'm thankful we have an owner like Ashley (shock horror, eh?) in many ways, because I believe any knight in shining armour would've potentially wrecked this club by now, unless it was a Sheikh who was willing to simply throw cash at it with no let up. But those days are gone.
Roman and co had those days.

There's a reason why big clubs and money bag owners of certain clubs are struggling. Some took the plunge thinking buy buy buy was the way to keep up, with wages to match....and now look at them.
Take your pick.

Newcastle United are in the premier league in the 12th year of Ashley's tenure, not sitting in the bottom leagues or struggling to stay mid-table in the championship.

We're 11th in the premier league as it stands and we lost away to Burnley with both teams being dire and a game that was decided with a controversial goal. One to forget quickly to be fair.

However, we're 11th and only 4 points behind 5th if you want to look at it positively.
If you want to look at it negatively then you can say we're only 7 points from a relegation spot.

When you abandon ship and swim to shore waiting for the inevitable sinking and realise it's still floating you'd wonder who gave the order to abandon that ship. It wasn't the captain. The captain is staying with the ship.
Unless you wait for another ship you have a choice to stay marooned or get back on your original ship and sail with it.

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Originally Posted by ex_pat_magpie

As you know I have Wolfie blocked on my account but just saw his post via your answer above Toptoon.

He's implying that us wrinklies have seen many bad times but he refers to Ashley's reign as "a walk in the park" compared to what he's witnessed in the past.

Well I may be wrong but I believe I'm probably the oldest poster on here, remembering the club during the war and just after when the serious game began in 1946.

I've seen a few owners from the McKeags, Westwoods and Seymours and a lot of bad times, especially the two decades yo-yoing between the old 1st Div to the 2nd. but there was always hope and positivity, there was always belief that every one at the club from the owner down to the tea lady wanted success and the best.

I've seen some poor teams. I've seen us almost relegated to the third tier but I have never witnessed any senior executive at the club who didn't care and only wanted to milk every penny out of the club to further benefit a tat industry akin to barrowboy standards.

Now I have what I have never had since I went to my first game after the war and that is a numbness and total despair.

I've looked forward to coming back up to Northumberland on holiday and perhaps to return to live there but I couldn't in all honesty and sincerity visit St. James' Park with a clear conscience while that evil, shameless, dishonest slug is at the helm.

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Spot on!

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Originally Posted by ghostrider

There's always hope.
Too many people expend far too much energy on hatred.
A person scorned, eh?

The fanbase of Newcastle United spans all ages going way back to just now. Everyone has their own memories, whether it was yesteryear or yesterday.

The only reason hope disappears is, people decide there's none because they try to live their lives on what they want for the future when there isn't a realistic future for anything, only a physical present and a memory laden past.

The past does not cater for the present. It's gone in any physical terms.
Living on history is not living on the present and nor should it be a benchmark for it.

But what memories do in terms of history, is, it gives you an idea of what this club achieved and didn't achieve, throughout.
It's been a right old game of swings and roundabouts, right up to the present time.

We all want better. We all want exciting football with results. Of course we do. I almost beg for it and I'm not happy with the football in half the games this season but the other half I have enjoyed.... yet it gets swept under the carpet as if we haven't played well and it seems all our results are just luck.
It becomes as tedious as hell. (yeah I know, just like my posts, eh?) :p

This criticism at every turn is becoming epidemic. It's almost a pain for some to actually give praise out. Every player is a whisker away from being garbage or being crucified.... and when they start showing some good form, it's taken with a pinch of salt with a " ahhh, just wait, he'll soon get back to being lazy/garbage" and all the rest of the stuff.
Just enjoy the moment for crying out loud.


No wonder people have no hope.
We are in no worse a position than most clubs in the premier league. We have the potential to get better.

We have quite a few players who are expected to hit the ground running. Some sort of have and some haven't.
We have a manager that many are not keen on but deserves to be given time just as the previous manager was afforded, for nothing more... yet had 3 and a bit seasons to basically go forward and ended up going backwards, so Bruce should be allowed enough time to see what and where he can take this squad, plus additions, as and when. And paid much less for it.

I always hold out hope. I'm holding out hope for winning the league title or winning the FA cup or getting into the champions league. I hold out hope for the next game and hope for a victory with some good entertaining football.
I can dream and it may stay a dream but it may not.

We don't get enough entertaining football and that's something I hate but can accept as long as we get a decent portion of it with at least the effort to have a go in other games.
I think we generally do that, only we're basically struggling at times to put to good use, the chances we do create, which is frustrating.

It's fine if people want to dine on good times of the past but they can't be used as a yardstick for what's happening right now. It's a set of good memories that should be parallel with the not so good past just to keep people a bit more grounded as to what dire situations this club has been in, also.... because when you look at it all without rose tinted glasses, you see that we aren't so badly off in the grand scheme of things.

I clearly have a different mindset to many but I'll just add this in to rubber stamp it.
If you picked up Newcastle as a city and plonked it in London or much further south, I believe we'd be sitting with the elites.

I think Ashley knows this and I think Ashley knows that, as a north east club, Newcastle United are going to struggle to keep pace with the big hitters who almost appear to be afforded leeway in the extreme.
We can't live with that but we can live alongside it until that bubble bursts enough for us to start to benefit....if....I say "if" that bubble does burst and if....I say...."if" fairness comes about.

I will say this and this is my thoughts only.
I'm thankful we have an owner like Ashley (shock horror, eh?) in many ways, because I believe any knight in shining armour would've potentially wrecked this club by now, unless it was a Sheikh who was willing to simply throw cash at it with no let up. But those days are gone.
Roman and co had those days.

There's a reason why big clubs and money bag owners of certain clubs are struggling. Some took the plunge thinking buy buy buy was the way to keep up, with wages to match....and now look at them.
Take your pick.

Newcastle United are in the premier league in the 12th year of Ashley's tenure, not sitting in the bottom leagues or struggling to stay mid-table in the championship.

We're 11th in the premier league as it stands and we lost away to Burnley with both teams being dire and a game that was decided with a controversial goal. One to forget quickly to be fair.

However, we're 11th and only 4 points behind 5th if you want to look at it positively.
If you want to look at it negatively then you can say we're only 7 points from a relegation spot.

When you abandon ship and swim to shore waiting for the inevitable sinking and realise it's still floating you'd wonder who gave the order to abandon that ship. It wasn't the captain. The captain is staying with the ship.
Unless you wait for another ship you have a choice to stay marooned or get back on your original ship and sail with it.

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Boring, regurgitated b0ll0x.

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Originally Posted by usedtobeshearer

Boring, regurgitated b0ll0x.

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Indeed .. Why use 10 words when 3000 will do .

You’re right, Pat. I have always, and without exception, supported the team and club through all of those bad times, but now, for the first time, I’m not. I know for sure there are many who have/are doing exactly the same as me.

So, it’s a bit galling being told by people, many of who don’t know/remember how poor we have been in the past, that I should carry on now supporting the club as I always have.

I loved that flag with a painting of Rafa and simply the word HOPE written underneath, because that single word describes perfectly why I am thinking and acting differently this time.

I will always support Newcastle United football club,what I wont do is support Mike Ashley's destruction and use for his own gain version of Newcastle United.
I didn't feel any different Saturday than I did the day we beat Man U or took a point of Man City.I certainly dont need any Ashley apologists to tell me I should see things differently.I am old enough to make up my own mind and make my own decisions.Ashley gets fùck all and that's it.

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Originally Posted by Geordie1974

I will always support Newcastle United football club,what I wont do is support Mike Ashley's destruction and use for his own gain version of Newcastle United.
I didn't feel any different Saturday than I did the day we beat Man U or took a point of Man City.I certainly dont need any Ashley apologists to tell me I should see things differently.I am old enough to make up my own mind and make my own decisions.Ashley gets fùck all and that's it.

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I’m the same mate I stopped going after the Keegan debacle I have been back once to take a Canadian relative my next door neighbour gave me his two season tickets

WillI I go back, not while Ashley is at the helm. Do I miss match day, a resounding NO

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Originally Posted by ghostrider

There's always hope.
Too many people expend far too much energy on hatred.
A person scorned, eh?

The fanbase of Newcastle United spans all ages going way back to just now. Everyone has their own memories, whether it was yesteryear or yesterday.

The only reason hope disappears is, people decide there's none because they try to live their lives on what they want for the future when there isn't a realistic future for anything, only a physical present and a memory laden past.

The past does not cater for the present. It's gone in any physical terms.
Living on history is not living on the present and nor should it be a benchmark for it.

But what memories do in terms of history, is, it gives you an idea of what this club achieved and didn't achieve, throughout.
It's been a right old game of swings and roundabouts, right up to the present time.

We all want better. We all want exciting football with results. Of course we do. I almost beg for it and I'm not happy with the football in half the games this season but the other half I have enjoyed.... yet it gets swept under the carpet as if we haven't played well and it seems all our results are just luck.
It becomes as tedious as hell. (yeah I know, just like my posts, eh?) :p

This criticism at every turn is becoming epidemic. It's almost a pain for some to actually give praise out. Every player is a whisker away from being garbage or being crucified.... and when they start showing some good form, it's taken with a pinch of salt with a " ahhh, just wait, he'll soon get back to being lazy/garbage" and all the rest of the stuff.
Just enjoy the moment for crying out loud.


No wonder people have no hope.
We are in no worse a position than most clubs in the premier league. We have the potential to get better.

We have quite a few players who are expected to hit the ground running. Some sort of have and some haven't.
We have a manager that many are not keen on but deserves to be given time just as the previous manager was afforded, for nothing more... yet had 3 and a bit seasons to basically go forward and ended up going backwards, so Bruce should be allowed enough time to see what and where he can take this squad, plus additions, as and when. And paid much less for it.

I always hold out hope. I'm holding out hope for winning the league title or winning the FA cup or getting into the champions league. I hold out hope for the next game and hope for a victory with some good entertaining football.
I can dream and it may stay a dream but it may not.

We don't get enough entertaining football and that's something I hate but can accept as long as we get a decent portion of it with at least the effort to have a go in other games.
I think we generally do that, only we're basically struggling at times to put to good use, the chances we do create, which is frustrating.

It's fine if people want to dine on good times of the past but they can't be used as a yardstick for what's happening right now. It's a set of good memories that should be parallel with the not so good past just to keep people a bit more grounded as to what dire situations this club has been in, also.... because when you look at it all without rose tinted glasses, you see that we aren't so badly off in the grand scheme of things.

I clearly have a different mindset to many but I'll just add this in to rubber stamp it.
If you picked up Newcastle as a city and plonked it in London or much further south, I believe we'd be sitting with the elites.

I think Ashley knows this and I think Ashley knows that, as a north east club, Newcastle United are going to struggle to keep pace with the big hitters who almost appear to be afforded leeway in the extreme.
We can't live with that but we can live alongside it until that bubble bursts enough for us to start to benefit....if....I say "if" that bubble does burst and if....I say...."if" fairness comes about.

I will say this and this is my thoughts only.
I'm thankful we have an owner like Ashley (shock horror, eh?) in many ways, because I believe any knight in shining armour would've potentially wrecked this club by now, unless it was a Sheikh who was willing to simply throw cash at it with no let up. But those days are gone.
Roman and co had those days.

There's a reason why big clubs and money bag owners of certain clubs are struggling. Some took the plunge thinking buy buy buy was the way to keep up, with wages to match....and now look at them.
Take your pick.

Newcastle United are in the premier league in the 12th year of Ashley's tenure, not sitting in the bottom leagues or struggling to stay mid-table in the championship.

We're 11th in the premier league as it stands and we lost away to Burnley with both teams being dire and a game that was decided with a controversial goal. One to forget quickly to be fair.

However, we're 11th and only 4 points behind 5th if you want to look at it positively.
If you want to look at it negatively then you can say we're only 7 points from a relegation spot.

When you abandon ship and swim to shore waiting for the inevitable sinking and realise it's still floating you'd wonder who gave the order to abandon that ship. It wasn't the captain. The captain is staying with the ship.
Unless you wait for another ship you have a choice to stay marooned or get back on your original ship and sail with it.

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Dude get a f—king life, like genuinely! Go out for a drink, get laid because the amount of time and energy you spend on these long periodicals is disturbing to say the least.

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Originally Posted by ghostrider

Too many people expend far too much energy
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