Leeds United - v - Hull City ** Carabao Cup ***Matchday Thread***

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Originally Posted by Jezleeds

Totally agree. What we've done with him (both in a moral and a playing sense) is wrong - an unusual misstep for what has been a fantastic stewardship of our club over recent times.

They need to wake up and smell the coffee here - most Leeds fans want him out for both footballing and moral reasons, and certainly don't want that to be our club's captain on the field.

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I disagree with what you mean. First, against Liverpool, he was brought in as a sub, and a team full of confidence done zip. In the cup, he was brought in A for match fitness and to play against a team 2 lvls below us and it was a whole new team so they would have as much time to adjust to the Hull way of playing. The whole team was crap but someone with his reputation and credentials you would have thought he would have shown us something. Pav on the wing didn't get much service but at least he showed something.
Team talk for fulham is that he and Koch won't be starting as Cooper is taking Koch spot and the kid retains his place.

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Originally Posted by alfinyalcabo

Absolutely spot on WTF.. Imagine giving that Cnut the armband.. Unbelievable.

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Not as unbelievable as you jumping off that drowning ship and coming on board a luxury liner lol.

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Originally Posted by ozleeds

Not as unbelievable as you jumping off that drowning ship and coming on board a luxury liner lol.

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Erm..unlike you, we are in the next round .lol

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Originally Posted by alfinyalcabo

Erm..unlike you, we are in the next round .lol

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Yeah but that is your 50-year cup run we are going to the top hehe.

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Originally Posted by ozleeds

Yeah but that is your 50-year cup run we are going to the top hehe.

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That might come back to haunt you..hehe

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Originally Posted by ozleeds

I disagree with what you mean. First, against Liverpool, he was brought in as a sub, and a team full of confidence done zip. In the cup, he was brought in A for match fitness and to play against a team 2 lvls below us and it was a whole new team so they would have as much time to adjust to the Hull way of playing. The whole team was crap but someone with his reputation and credentials you would have thought he would have shown us something. Pav on the wing didn't get much service but at least he showed something.
Team talk for fulham is that he and Koch won't be starting as Cooper is taking Koch spot and the kid retains his place.

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Think we're at cross swords here

Neither of both (nor anyone else but Orta and the "higher execs"), want Casilla to wear a Leeds shirt (of any colour or level), again, or am I wrong?

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Originally Posted by ozleeds

I disagree with what you mean. First, against Liverpool, he was brought in as a sub, and a team full of confidence done zip. In the cup, he was brought in A for match fitness and to play against a team 2 lvls below us and it was a whole new team so they would have as much time to adjust to the Hull way of playing. The whole team was crap but someone with his reputation and credentials you would have thought he would have shown us something. Pav on the wing didn't get much service but at least he showed something.
Team talk for fulham is that he and Koch won't be starting as Cooper is taking Koch spot and the kid retains his place.

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Oz - you cannot force a player to sign for another club but in football business there a number of ways that a club can try and 'convince' the player to move elsewhere and giving them a 'B' game outing as captain is a shop window to sell 'Sold as Seen' maybe.

Obviously the player’s agent has an amount of power over any transfer so if a player can move for a fee or wait out his contract and move elsewhere for free then his agent would prefer that there was a transfer fee involved every time as they'll get a cut of this and they can also negotiate the fee and terms.

So a club may perhaps speak to the agent of the player and ask the agent to find a potential suitor and then do the more difficult task of selling that club to the player. Leeds could offer the agent a bigger than usual cut of such a deal - in which case any agent in their right mind will do whatever they can to shift the player and earn their wedge.This is what I believe may happen with a few at Leeds come October including Roberts whose been touted about by SSM (Dean Sturridge) his agent presently hence alleged Derby interest who appear to have shifted 12 players out and got 11 in and have £3 million left to replace striker Chris Martin who they've sold to Bristol last week.So Roberts out on loan for a season could appease all parties as he's out of contract with us in June 2022.

These agents sadly will not particularly care what the outcome is for the player(s) as long as they get their cut of the deal.Sits uncomfortable with me the Kiko situation but cannot see him bench warming for sure.

MOT

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Originally Posted by MrsORichSenior

Oz - you cannot force a player to sign for another club but in football business there a number of ways that a club can try and 'convince' the player to move elsewhere and giving them a 'B' game outing as captain is a shop window to sell 'Sold as Seen' maybe.

Obviously the player’s agent has an amount of power over any transfer so if a player can move for a fee or wait out his contract and move elsewhere for free then his agent would prefer that there was a transfer fee involved every time as they'll get a cut of this and they can also negotiate the fee and terms.

So a club may perhaps speak to the agent of the player and ask the agent to find a potential suitor and then do the more difficult task of selling that club to the player. Leeds could offer the agent a bigger than usual cut of such a deal - in which case any agent in their right mind will do whatever they can to shift the player and earn their wedge.This is what I believe may happen with a few at Leeds come October including Roberts whose been touted about by SSM (Dean Sturridge) his agent presently hence alleged Derby interest who appear to have shifted 12 players out and got 11 in and have £3 million left to replace striker Chris Martin who they've sold to Bristol last week.So Roberts out on loan for a season could appease all parties as he's out of contract with us in June 2022.

These agents sadly will not particularly care what the outcome is for the player(s) as long as they get their cut of the deal.Sits uncomfortable with me the Kiko situation but cannot see him bench warming for sure.

MOT

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Certainly can't argue with that prognosis of agents. :s

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Originally Posted by MrsORichSenior

Oz - you cannot force a player to sign for another club but in football business there a number of ways that a club can try and 'convince' the player to move elsewhere and giving them a 'B' game outing as captain is a shop window to sell 'Sold as Seen' maybe.

Obviously the player’s agent has an amount of power over any transfer so if a player can move for a fee or wait out his contract and move elsewhere for free then his agent would prefer that there was a transfer fee involved every time as they'll get a cut of this and they can also negotiate the fee and terms.

So a club may perhaps speak to the agent of the player and ask the agent to find a potential suitor and then do the more difficult task of selling that club to the player. Leeds could offer the agent a bigger than usual cut of such a deal - in which case any agent in their right mind will do whatever they can to shift the player and earn their wedge.This is what I believe may happen with a few at Leeds come October including Roberts whose been touted about by SSM (Dean Sturridge) his agent presently hence alleged Derby interest who appear to have shifted 12 players out and got 11 in and have £3 million left to replace striker Chris Martin who they've sold to Bristol last week.So Roberts out on loan for a season could appease all parties as he's out of contract with us in June 2022.

These agents sadly will not particularly care what the outcome is for the player(s) as long as they get their cut of the deal.Sits uncomfortable with me the Kiko situation but cannot see him bench warming for sure.

MOT

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Sorry Mrs O been ill today was referring to Rodrigo and not Kiko miss understood what jess was saying.
And i agree about the agents as they don't care about the personal its a business for them.
In all honesty though who in the right mind would want him anyway.I suspect we are stuck with him and his expensive contract and if he had brains he would stay and collect his hefty amount each week. MB has done brilliantly to get us up cause our expert recruiter has only caused head aches.

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Originally Posted by ozleeds

Sorry Mrs O been ill today was referring to Rodrigo and not Kiko miss understood what jess was saying.
And i agree about the agents as they don't care about the personal its a business for them.
In all honesty though who in the right mind would want him anyway.I suspect we are stuck with him and his expensive contract and if he had brains he would stay and collect his hefty amount each week. MB has done brilliantly to get us up cause our expert recruiter has only caused head aches.

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Fully understand Oz mate.
Keep offering your points of view,keep your mind Positive & don't become isolated.
Keep on Fighting !
MOT