Solihull

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Originally Posted by PedroTheFisherman66

No it was a tight game in which we had an obvious penalty denied by serendipity or a bottling referee, they scored an offside goal with a touch of the globe trotters involved re handball (possibly) which stood. If we can overlook the fact that we were 20 seconds away from the semi final due to a rookies push in the back on the edge of our box we could have been possibly winging our way to west Ham for a final
P.S we only scored from a penalty has he decided to stick an arm out to prevent a shot on goal going any further possibly into the back of the net

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This is why i have long said there should be VAR for play off matches

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Originally Posted by Davy500

This is why i have long said there should be VAR for play off matches

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Did you not see the florest game? VAR didn't work as we are told it should. Huddersfield should have had at least 1 Pen. VAR didn't even look at the most obvious one. Yes, Huddersfield still have to score it, but the decision making didn't do it's job.

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Originally Posted by PedroTheFisherman66

Has Davey been kidnapped by Aliens had a brain transplant and been sent back to earth to act as an conduit & informer for some far off planet ? this isn't the Davey I love and remember.
Any way back to NA , for me his success at Solihull should only lead to the conclusion and confirm what a poor manager for US! He went out week after week employing his dreary version of retaining possession to win games or more importantly not to lose them. As far as I'm concerned IB's teams created more chances in 2 games than NA's did in half a season. Anyway back on track as far as I could see and read from their fans forum Solihull he started of in the same vein as he did us , winning but winning bad , ugly , boring football with limited chances. Somewhere along the line he seems to have elevated his own standards and changed them for pug ugly footy team into potential free flowing promotion winners. So therein begs the question , if he is such a good manager then why didn't he do it for us , either in his relegation battle , or his two promotion stints ? The records are there for us all to see , he failed on all accounts , so can we please stop this rose tinted spectacles malarkey that he was a good manager for Notts , He wasn't but he might just have turned into a good one at Solihull by using or stumbling onto a different approach, whichever it was he didn't use it at Notts, we were pug ugly !

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You will know I was one of NA's biggest critics. But as seen yesterday by singing a player with no Head Coach in place that the style of play is down to what the owners want, possession football. A different style to what Ardley knows, hence his problem at Notts, the same as Nolan, Hardy wanting fast attacking play completely different to KN,s ethos. Again the Owner sourced players he wanted.
Not saying NA has become a Saint but was working under constraints that didn't suit him.

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Originally Posted by irishpete

You will know I was one of NA's biggest critics. But as seen yesterday by singing a player with no Head Coach in place that the style of play is down to what the owners want, possession football. A different style to what Ardley knows, hence his problem at Notts, the same as Nolan, Hardy wanting fast attacking play completely different to KN,s ethos. Again the Owner sourced players he wanted.
Not saying NA has become a Saint but was working under constraints that didn't suit him.

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I'm not sure that NA was forced into anything , when he came to Notts he held the all the Trump cards as we and Hardy were desperate for his services , I'm sure he wouldn't have turned up on our doorstep if he was told how to play and who to pick ?
As for when the brothers arrived he might have been given a remit with constraints which he decided to accept as his stock was low having taken us out of the league and being outwitted by the football managing giant that was Sol ! If he was forced into a system by the Bros he should have grown some gonads and walked. However that argument doesn't seem to stick as he employed the same tactics that got us relegated that failed to get us promotion, which he then took with him to Solihull and employed them for a large portion of the season according to some of their fan reviews. Now when ,why & how he changed those views is any ones guess? one thing for sure his turn around in fortunes with them does not ever make him a good manager when he was in charge of us.

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Originally Posted by Davy500

Exactly read what i said, i said all the players that people this season said were good, were Ardley signings , its you thats added other things on, you know full well i was never an Ardley supporter due to the relegation.
I also said that having stuck with him for so long we should see it through, and give Ardley a second crack at the play offs which i believe he deserved . i posted at the time, i was not impressed with the timing off NA sacking, and him being replaced by the inexperienced IB on a 4 year contract was madness.At the time i thought NA should have only been replaced with somebody with more experience at this level
I have now been found to be correct, as IB went on to be worse than NA at Notts, and in the meantime NA has done better than IB at Solihull proving himself to be a good national league manager , on top of that we discovered IB signed hardly any good players, and he was a judas that had no loyalty, i hope IB gets sacked at FGR
So i hope that clears it up for you

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You did say you weren't a fan of the timing of the NA's sacking, and I agree with you regarding VAR. I'm referring to the 100+ NA related posts and comments you made prior to his sacking. You know the ones ;)

As for "ALL the players that people this season said were good" , as magpie_mania rightly points out our deserved player of the season winner Matty Palmer was signed during IBs time. If Palmer hadn't have won a very good shout would have been out club captain Kyle Cameron. Again another signed on IBs watch. Sooooooo XD

To give you a better illustration just look at the designated thread on who NCM posters should be player(s) of the season / Top 5. Look who appears in the top 3 on the vast majority of lists. Sorry to bring it up Davy but such an error really needed pointing out. Unless you don't think Palmer and/or Cameron have been some of our better players this term?

I was certainly not a fan of Ardley's and after a while became disillusioned with Burchinall, but what slowly became apparent was that they both were trying to play attractive and technical football rather than achieve promotion at all costs.

Whether the owners thought that instructing the manager to try to play a la Man. City was the way forward in the National League with non-league footballers or not is not in my ken. What is in my ken is that the goalie rolling the ball out to 5th division defenders, expecting them to accurately pass the ball out to equally talented midfielders who must control the ball while being bullied by hefty animals, ignored by incompetent referees, is a risky operation. It only takes one miss-placed pass between defence and midfield to put an enemy high press in a good mood and get their party started.

We saw this season how vulnerable to the high press we were. A high press just needs numbers in the opposition half pressuring a defence into a making a mistake so why didn't Notts try it instead of a slow passing game? Could it be that our manager had instructions to play a certain style?

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Originally Posted by PedroTheFisherman66

Has Davey been kidnapped by Aliens had a brain transplant and been sent back to earth to act as an conduit & informer for some far off planet ? this isn't the Davey I love and remember.

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Lol my thoughts exactly, I did wonder why you were being rather quiet since Davy's unexpected and dramatic U-Turn.

We need to get the band(duo) back together :)

Ok maybe not ... I blame Ardley for doing a very good job at Solihull he spoilt everything ;)

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Originally Posted by Davy500

I think Neal has given them the best chance of going up , by finishing 3rd and getting to the final , he has done it twice now

For Notts we obviously should aim for top spot, and if not that 2nd or 3rd position as it gives the best possible chance of promotion, with the home tie and then the final . For me two 5th place finishes for IB was not good enough , especially this season when he came in last march, IB never really signed any good players, our better ones were all Ardley signings

I am baffled by FGR taking a gamble on IB as he his unproven, just as i was baffled when Notts appointed him, i doubt IB will achieve anything at FGR to be honest , , depends on the cash the owner may give him. - possible potential is one thing, but if there no hard track evidense of success, its nothing more than a gamble , still the FGR chairman is quite wealthy and can probably afford it

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Arsenal Wenger had no experience of the premier league or English football for that matter but he didn't do to bad did he? If no one takes a gamble on a new and untried manager then it would mean we just keep recycling the old failures.

NA and IB both had the ability to get us out the league.
One of them is a game away from promotion to league 2 and the other will be managing in league 1 next season.
Yet this thread is all about proving which manager was worse. And that is the problem that Notts have got. We have a weight of expectation that isn’t a positive one. It’s a demanding one that is often unrealistic and constantly writing off Owners/Managers/Players at the drop of a hat. I’ve spoken to several players and ex players over the years and they do read social media and it does have an impact. You can’t underestimate that. The same people that slated NA week after week try and justify his success at Solihull by saying he couldn’t handle the pressure at Notts…..well let’s remove the pressure then!
I read the FGR message board after IB was appointed. Not one negative comment, just welcoming messages. Imagine for one second that was Notts. A non-league manager that hasn’t won promotion. His card would be marked from day one, and so would the owners.
Steve Cooper and the Forest players summed it up perfectly after promotion.
When asked what SC did to change things at Forest, he didn’t talk about tactics, style of play or formation, he talked about killing the players with kindness as everyone loves to be loved. Every player echoed that and spoke about the impact the fans had in that. If ever there was proof what unanimous support from top to bottom can have, it’s Forest’s achievement this season.
Whoever our next manager is, we will lose games of football and we will have games where we play cr@p. We’re a non league club, it’s going to happen. I just hope we do it less often than every other team.

Negativity breeds negativity.