Are the media biased

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Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone

Yup, I guess you are a Hindu then MA

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You guess wrong GP. Once a Ram, always a Ram. My one and only religion.

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Originally Posted by MadAmster

You are probably right Andy. I am definitely anti organised religion. I'd ban the lot. Folk have freedom to believe what they like but where that freedom invades mine, theirs stops. There are parts of the Koran that see me beheaded and parts of the Bible that wouldn't see me survive very long. One sees a prophet marry a 6 year old and consumate the marriage when she was 9. That abhors me but I do realise that, and I'm only guessing here, it was probably not looked down on 1300 odd years ago. Some followers of said prophet seem to think it's still OK. Little wonder some folk are anti. The other a prophet who showed very many commendable traits, if it's about somone who actually lived and actually had the experiences written about. All likenesses of said prophet depict what looks very much like a Caucasian male. That likeness also appears on the Turin shroud. 200 years ago, locals in the region were were all small, had dark skin and dark, curly hair.......

Liquidate all of the assets of various religions plus those of charlatan TV evangelists and use the trillions they have between them to house, feed, clothe the world's poor. Use it to irrigate barren land so people can grow their own food. I think the first of the 2 prophets I mentioned would likely liquidate the funds and pocket them. The latter would be horrified at the obnoxious amount of money, land, gold, silver, art works, land, buildings, stocks, shares etc they have, particularly the Catholic Church. There are more things to dislike about religions but I won't rant further. I think you've all more than got my gist.

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I'm agnostic about religions, if people get comfort from them then fine thats their choice, so I wouldn't ban them, but your right in that the combined riches of just the Catholic and Anglican churches could go a long way to alleviating suffering across the world and be a real force for good.

I don't think Islam is any more violent or abhorrent than Christianity, both of have resulted in harm and both have done much good, but for a truly benign religion try buddhism!

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Originally Posted by swaledale

Ah conspiracy theories, love them! Trouble is they ignore the real conspiracies that are taking place in plain sight!

Mm I get what you say, but don't necessarily agree - for a start it would be hard for any national broadcaster to accurately reflect the demographic as it applies to a particular region and location, so if you live in an area where the population is predominantly white, one may feel that way about BAME representation and the opposite would be true if you lived in an area where the population was predominantly BAME.

But I don't see the inclusion of more diverse presenters or whatever on the BBC or other media as some grand plan to influence people, I think thats stretching credulity a little far and if that irritates people, I'd say whats the issue? We do live in a diverse society, albeit some areas are more diverse than others and the media should reflect that. I don't see it as an issue other than with people who are either stuck 3 or 4 decades in the past or for whatever reason they choose, some I can see why they feel that way, largely though its down to feeling threatened by change, except that boat sailed a long time ago and its pointless pissing into the wind!

Ah social media, to me thats a series of bubbles wherein like minded folk generally seem to say stuff to like minded folk - pick any topic and there are those who think one way speaking to like minded people, those who think the other doing the same. Its like a conversation down the pub, everyone knows whats wrong with anything, my usual response on encountering such people of any persuasion is that if they know the answer, is to ask what practical steps are they taking to implement it?

As for adverts, well companies tend not to spend money unless it has the desired effect so one presumes the trend there is aimed at increasing sales? Mind you anyone who takes an advert seriously or believes even 2% of it is IMO clearly bordering on insanity - which clearly applies to a high percentage of the population because otherwise the companies wouldn't spend money on it!

There is nothing odd about WTC7, there is a detailed documented report which covers what happened there.

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The significant over-representation of some minorities (BAME, male LGBT) and under-representation of others (disabled. old) in professional on screen roles is a matter of record (I can't find the link i offered to the independant organisation which publish this info, at least that proves I don't have TTR linkmania, I'll find it later), but that's almost not the issue with news and current affairs, the ratios for 'talking heads' is even more skewed, there is further data (admittedly from folk 'trying to prove a point' but their methods are relatively scientific if crude, and easy to verify on a limited basis) that supports this. My point continues to be, and I'll use inflamatory language here 'I don't like to be lied to'. Take your point about 'the ship having sailed', the irritation/anger (and again my social media is full of it today) comes from the size of the ship.

Also take your point about advertising, I would THINK corporations would be doing their research, and you're right about social media (especially facebook and twitter) where people love nothing more (scuse the phrase) than a massive circle-jerk on a given topic. My unfiltered news feed finds many such groups on all sides of all arguments, with little or no opposing views in evidence.

My WTC7 comment doesn't make me a conspiracy theory supporter btw, I just like to be convinced on things and that one is less convincing that WTC1 and 2 - having said that I'm not a structural engineer

@ MadHamster

Whichever the category, he'll have to watch his back there.

I can and I will. There's nothing ambiguous about the Quran. According to scripture, the prophet Mohammed is the model of a perfect human and all of his followers should aspire to emulate his deeds, some of which I listed earlier. Anyone who has taken the trouble to read the Quran will know this (or be surprised to learn of it) but find it much easier to throw around words such as racist and bigot.

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Originally Posted by GUNTERYY36

@ MadHamster

Whichever the category, he'll have to watch his back there.

I can and I will. There's nothing ambiguous about the Quran. According to scripture, the prophet Mohammed is the model of a perfect human and all of his followers should aspire to emulate his deeds, some of which I listed earlier. Anyone who has taken the trouble to read the Quran will know this (or be surprised to learn of it) but find it much easier to throw around words such as racist and bigot.

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Belief in what IS in there added to belief in what they THINK is in there as well is what leads to the grooming gangs in Rochdale and many other UK towns and cities. When police hear of grooming, they should thoroughly investigate, weigh the evidence against the Law, charge and prosecute those perpetrating the alleged crimes (they are all alleged until proven or otherwise in a Court of Law) .....REGARDLESS OF THE COLOUR, RELIGION, NATIONALITY OF THE ALLEGED PERPETRATOR(S).

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Originally Posted by MadAmster

Belief in what IS in there added to belief in what they THINK is in there as well is what leads to the grooming gangs in Rochdale and many other UK towns and cities. When police hear of grooming, they should thoroughly investigate, weigh the evidence against the Law, charge and prosecute those perpetrating the alleged crimes (they are all alleged until proven or otherwise in a Court of Law) .....REGARDLESS OF THE COLOUR, RELIGION, NATIONALITY OF THE ALLEGED PERPETRATOR(S).

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I quite agree. Afterall that is what the police's job is. They also have to do it with impartiality and predjudice.
Which is where this is beginning to fall down.
Knife crime goes through the roof>>> stop and search more suspects>>>>> police are victimising us>>>> police hesitate>>> knife crime goes up.


Muslim grooming gangs are targetting vulnerable white girls>>>> tell social services>>>> tell the police>>>>> tell the MP's >>>> oh bugger this won't go down well>>>>> lets not say owt/ignore it>>>>>> abuse continues.

Confront an issue no matter what. Don't *****foot around it.

TTR Said " I quite agree. Afterall that is what the police's job is. They also have to do it with impartiality and predjudice"

The police have to do it with ..... prejudice.??

Isn't that the problem in the USA that people are objecting to? So you are advocating that the police are prejudicial in investigations? Me think the reasonable thinking man as well as the snowflakes would have a problem with this

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Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone

TTR Said " I quite agree. Afterall that is what the police's job is. They also have to do it with impartiality and predjudice"

The police have to do it with ..... prejudice.??

Isn't that the problem in the USA that people are objecting to? So you are advocating that the police are prejudicial in investigations? Me think the reasonable thinking man as well as the snowflakes would have a problem with this

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no dafty, OR!!!!!

Wrong fully stopping cars with black people in without good reason.
Or stop search biased against one demograph is wrong.

However, this is being thrown at the police all the time and making any decisions difficult.

Think about it. If as a police officer, you was to pull over a suspicious car in Hackney. Chances are the owners would be black.
Do it in Bexley and chances are the occupants will be white.
So are you going to change your decisions or instincts now, because of geography?

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Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds

no dafty, OR!!!!!

Wrong fully stopping cars with black people in without good reason.
Or stop search biased against one demograph is wrong.

However, this is being thrown at the police all the time and making any decisions difficult.

Think about it. If as a police officer, you was to pull over a suspicious car in Hackney. Chances are the owners would be black.
Do it in Bexley and chances are the occupants will be white.
So are you going to change your decisions or instincts now, because of geography?

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It is what you wrote though TTR. Quite likely not what you meant but it most definitely IS what you wrote.

QUOTE TTR Said " I quite agree. Afterall that is what the police's job is. They also have to do it with impartiality and predjudice" UNQUOTE

That says, without a shadow of a doubt that they HAVE to do it..... with impartiality........ AND with prejudice.

That is the meaning of what you wrote...

Cue Swale with "now you know why I call him Thicky".

In all honesty TTR, you don't help your own case, do you?

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Originally Posted by MadAmster

It is what you wrote though TTR. Quite likely not what you meant but it most definitely IS what you wrote.

QUOTE TTR Said " I quite agree. Afterall that is what the police's job is. They also have to do it with impartiality and predjudice" UNQUOTE

That says, without a shadow of a doubt that they HAVE to do it..... with impartiality........ AND with prejudice.

That is the meaning of what you wrote...

Cue Swale with "now you know why I call him Thicky".

In all honesty TTR, you don't help your own case, do you?

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Yes I'm guilty of a typo. So Impartiality and predjudice alongside each other makes sense? Have a day off.