O/T Frack me

Not if they are waiting for you to act

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Originally Posted by monty_rhodes

There's a whole genre of writing on the phenomenon of the "environmental hypocrite". People like John Travolta who speaks out on the theme of "We all have to do our bit to combat global warming" while owning 5 private jets or Trudie Styler, hardline celeb environmentalist who recently flew her entire entourage from New York to Washington including her hair stylist.
As to Zouch's question the answer is NO ONE is going to show leadership on radical reform of how humanity works because the kind of people who might don't become leaders. Carlo Rovelli knows his onions and he reckons we're screwed and are probably in the last two or three generations of humanity. I don't have a problem with that.

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Think Bono is another one of similar ilk. i'm sure there are plenty; some more guilty than others.

In a sense I dont have a problem with it either monty because me and thee will be long gone but if you have kids/ grandkids we have tp make a fist of it for for their sake. Not read the Rovelli stuff but if its owt like the James lovelock stuff I have read its pretty scary. So much so I stopped reading it.Lovelock thinks we are doomed anyway.In a way, for me, its poetic justice. We could have been a brilliant species but we blew it through greed and self interest and not being able to get on. .If any aliens were to wander by in a few hundred years time they would shake there heads/ tentacles etc and say what a complete waste of an intelligent species that was.

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Originally Posted by KerrAvon

Not if they are waiting for you to act

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Why do I get the idea you are trying to bait me mr kerr. Did you ger out of bed the wrong side or summat? I can't think that I have put owt on here to upset you recently. Maybe you want to get one last insult in before the horsemen ride.

I suspect by the way that my carbon footprint is a lot smaller than yours even if it is too big.

BUT lets not get too down hearted we are gonna win next Saturday and the end wont seem so bad!

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Originally Posted by rolymiller

Why do I get the idea you are trying to bait me mr kerr. Did you ger out of bed the wrong side or summat? I can't think that I have put owt on here to upset you recently. Maybe you want to get one last insult in before the horsemen ride.

I suspect by the way that my carbon footprint is a lot smaller than yours even if it is too big.

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The amount of hot air he spouts mate there's no doubt about it, he's responsible for half the worlds carbon dioxide output...;D:P>:)

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Originally Posted by great_fire

What are we meant to do?

Get some pigs in the back garden and feed it to them?

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Sounds like a perfectly good use for Sheffield Wednesday fans to me!

i think he and a few others like him realise that he is gonna have to give up a lot of his material wealth and it hurts.Thats why he goes on about my hypocrisy as a distraction but the thing he doesn't realise is I have a lot less to give up and am quite wiling to do it if it protects future generations. Whether I am living a minimalistic lifestyle or not now is an aside, the fact is I could live one in the future without much bother. I'm not sure kerr could.

The rich would rather go over the precipice than give up their wealth and that , if it is to go tits up, is how it will all end.

We can no more halt the demise of civilisation than we can halt the orbit of the moon. Consumerism and credit, the desire to buy things we don't need with money we don't have created a fools paradise. If only in our ignorance we hadn't misinterpreted the seven deadly sins for virtues.

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Originally Posted by rolymiller

Why do I get the idea you are trying to bait me mr kerr. Did you ger out of bed the wrong side or summat? I can't think that I have put owt on here to upset you recently. Maybe you want to get one last insult in before the horsemen ride.

I suspect by the way that my carbon footprint is a lot smaller than yours even if it is too big.

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Why do you get the idea that I'm trying to bait you? Because that's easier for you than actually dealing with what I'm posting would be my guess. What's yours?

If it's my turn to ask a question it would be: You say that you could easily give up meat, so why haven't you?

As far as I can see, your views on this subject are new variant socialism. In classic socialism, you would be all for the redistribution of wealth, but would have an explanation of why that doesn't apply to yours. In the new variant, you are all for addressing climate change as long as it doesn't impinge upon your meat consumption or affect your household ownership of only two small cars. That sort of nonsense is only for people you deem to be 'wealthy'. After all, you've done your bit by posting some nonsense about eating insects.

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Originally Posted by crashbang

Number 4 is a good one.
Ive been out side today, and at one moment, there was 9 airliners overhead.
Now I wonder how many are up there?
Got my telescope out, and not one were using engines powered by windmills or solar panels.
John 2. calculate how many tons of oxygen does 747 burn times how many flying at one moment times 365 day a year.
I don't think my pension provider will stop that. or cutting down on a Bacon butty.

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I heard a stat the other day. We use more energy globally charging smartphone type devices than on air travel.