Sack Jimmy Turnip

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Originally Posted by rico94

Im not a tactical expert and my memory is not that great but in the last 25 years Im pretty sure out the 10 managers we have had in that time at least half of them have man marked at corners and not brought everyone back but we have still got rinsed from Celtic time and time again.

Im afraid it?s not as easy a fix as stopping zonal marking or leaving players up front and all of a sudden we will start beating Celtic.

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Im not saying it is. Im saying by bringing everyone back in the box theyre making it easier. You can only control what you can and man marking, leaving a player up & putting players on the posts makes it harder. Theyll still score off them from time to time but at least we wont have served it up to them in a wee bow

It?s the same with playing it out from the back. Its crazy. Its much easier to do a high press against poor footballers than it is for poor footballers to play their way though a high press.

Im not saying we should get rid of Cormack but to keep saying he is better than Milne so its pointless moaning about him is like saying Thelin is better than Stephen Glass so its pointless moaning about him.

Its also extremely naive after whats happened in the last 6 years to be thinking lets get rid of Thelin and everything will be sorted.

I said it last season that Cormack needs to take a back seat,probably get rid of a lot of dead wood in that board room and hire a director of football who knows what he is doing and let him hire a manager who in turn will be allowed to sign players he wants/ needs instead of this buy players to sell them on for a fortune nonsense.

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Fair point - the "Dave is better than Milne" argument, while undoubtedly true, is also starting from a very, very low bar.

We cannot get rid of him is also my point though - there is nobody who is going to take over the club out there, we are just not that attractive in the grand scheme of things. Just cannot see it.

Dont you agree he has taken much more of a back seat this last year? I think that is self evident, but I am with you 100% that there needs to be some root and branch backroom reform regarding the board and management structure cause its just not working.

He has not implemented all the recommendation's from that German mob - I'd like to know why not because he has never said.

It certainly leaves a growing question mark over his chairmanship if he doesnt make any other backroom changes, or implement the outstanding recommendations this summer too.

Its all of fair points from yourself moog as well as mason and deedon and im not trying to start an argument with anyone.

I was actually sceptical about Thelin coming in because the majority of foreign managers are never a success in Scottish football because their style of play doesnt suit the way teams play in our league.

But now he is here in my opinion we should stick with him, he has a hell of lot to improve on but hopefully if he gets in players he wants then we will see an improvement next season.

Maybe it wont work and he will be gone next season but I just feel if we do that then 6 to 12 months down the road will will have the same issue with the next manager.

Like I said its a squad full of players from about 4 different managers with different styles of play, we need a bit of stability for the next few years in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by The_Moog

Im not saying we should get rid of Cormack but to keep saying he is better than Milne so its pointless moaning about him is like saying Thelin is better than Stephen Glass so its pointless moaning about him.

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Cormack has been mainly positive for the club overall and I say that as someone who isn't a huge fan of him.

The club is like night and day compared to the tenure of Milne.
I'd actually say we look a well run club from the outside.

Managers are fairly easy to replace (with mixed results) but Chairmen/Owners aren't quite so easy. Especially one that does give a sh*t about the club.

I don't know nothing about last years review and how it makes us better against Septic, Hun & St Mirren.

Last night was simply on the manager for me. One of the poorest displays I have witnessed from an Aberdeen team at Pittodrie and there are quite a lot to chose from.

I like Jimmy Thelin a lot and want him to succeed, but boy does he need a plan b and needs it badly.

I want every manager to succeed at Aberdeen, but they have to show us more than what we saw from him last night.

You expect managers to see the same thing we see from the stands and rectify the areas we are failing in.

We're maybe not experts, but we know enough to make comment on what we see

We know changing the personnel on the pitch isn't changing much, so we have to change our tactics/shape. Throw an extra body in midfield or defence, just do something to the stops teams picking us apart and losing soft goals.

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Originally Posted by TheDeeDon

Cormack has been mainly positive for the club overall and I say that as someone who isn't a huge fan of him.

The club is like night and day compared to the tenure of Milne.
I'd actually say we look a well run club from the outside.

Managers are fairly easy to replace (with mixed results) but Chairmen/Owners aren't quite so easy. Especially one that does give a sh*t about the club.

I don't know nothing about last years review and how it makes us better against Septic, Hun & St Mirren.

Last night was simply on the manager for me. One of the poorest displays I have witnessed from an Aberdeen team at Pittodrie and there are quite a lot to chose from.

I like Jimmy Thelin a lot and want him to succeed, but boy does he need a plan b and needs it badly.

I want every manager to succeed at Aberdeen, but they have to show us more than what we saw from him last night.

You expect managers to see the same thing we see from the stands and rectify the areas we are failing in.

We're maybe not experts, but we know enough to make comment on what we see

We know changing the personnel on the pitch isn't changing much, so we have to change our tactics/shape. Throw an extra body in midfield or defence, just do something to the stops teams picking us apart and losing soft goals.

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Cormacks done well in the business side of running the club but the football side has been horrendous since he has taken over and thats the most important part.

Its been posted on other sites that there are no real football people making decisions at board level, its just a bunch of wealthy fans making the decisions on how the football side of the club is being run and its not working.

He should take the advice of the German mob and hire a director of football who knows how to run the football side of the club and let him choose the next manager.

A lot of people have been saying that a manager like Thelin who wants to play out from the back will never work for us because we cant afford the players required to play that way.

That may well be true and we will have to go back to a run of the mill Scottish football manager who knows the league.

But I would also say that we should go back to the old way of the manager makes the decision of who we sign instead of this head of requirement recommending who we sign and players are thrown upon the manager to develop and sell on for a huge fee.

That might work for clubs in England who have millions to spend but its not working for us.

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Originally Posted by rico94

Thats fair enough moog, there a players in the squad that arent suited to how Thelin wants to play.

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The only problem being an awful lot are the ones that have been signed since he came in.
A terrible squad of players.
His system of playing is pathetic. ANY manager in our league who plays with 1 striker should get shot. Especially when the other 9 outfield players can?t defend to save themselves.
Jimmy Thelin is done. Removing him after the cup final is curtailing the inevitable. We are getting a doing in the final the way the team is going. Dundee United will certainly fancy their chances at the weekend.

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Originally Posted by rico94

Cormacks done well in the business side of running the club but the football side has been horrendous since he has taken over and thats the most important part.

Its been posted on other sites that there are no real football people making decisions at board level, its just a bunch of wealthy fans making the decisions on how the football side of the club is being run and its not working.

He should take the advice of the German mob and hire a director of football who knows how to run the football side of the club and let him choose the next manager.

A lot of people have been saying that a manager like Thelin who wants to play out from the back will never work for us because we cant afford the players required to play that way.

That may well be true and we will have to go back to a run of the mill Scottish football manager who knows the league.

But I would also say that we should go back to the old way of the manager makes the decision of who we sign instead of this head of requirement recommending who we sign and players are thrown upon the manager to develop and sell on for a huge fee.

That might work for clubs in England who have millions to spend but its not working for us.

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I don't believe we will be any better off with a DoF.

Even big clubs struggle. Look at Man U and Spurs down in England. Resources way beyond ours, but have struggled big time this season.
They have these over arching structures in place, that we are supposedly going to be implementing, and struggling just as badly, if not worse, than us.

We have a cup final to look forward too and most of us are now dreading it.

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Originally Posted by RED_JOHN

The only problem being an awful lot are the ones that have been signed since he came in.
A terrible squad of players.
His system of playing is pathetic. ANY manager in our league who plays with 1 striker should get shot. Especially when the other 9 outfield players can?t defend to save themselves.
Jimmy Thelin is done. Removing him after the cup final is curtailing the inevitable. We are getting a doing in the final the way the team is going. Dundee United will certainly fancy their chances at the weekend.

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The signings he made in January were all his choices but I dont think all of the summer signings were his choice.

I doubt he would have heard of Gavin Malloy or Ambrose before he walked in the door and apparently Peter Leven recommended taking Nisbet on loan.

On top of that you have the likes of Clarkson,Shinnie,Devlin,McKenzie,McGrath, Polvara,Sokler, Vinny etc who have struggled to adapt to different managers styles/formations and in some cases thrown their toys out of their prams because they werent happy with what they were getting asked to do.

I think a lot of these players have had multiple chances to prove they can play well for us on a consistent basis and failed to do so.

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Originally Posted by TheDeeDon

I don't believe we will be any better off with a DoF.

Even big clubs struggle. Look at Man U and Spurs down in England. Resources way beyond ours, but have struggled big time this season.
They have these over arching structures in place, that we are supposedly going to be implementing, and struggling just as badly, if not worse, than us.

We have a cup final to look forward too and most of us are now dreading it.

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Thats probably not the best examples to use.

Both of those clubs have an owner who has too much say on what goes on at their clubs.

The new guy at Man Utd in particular looks like he is trying to run the club into the ground.

The most successful clubs in England at the moment are Man City and Liverpool who both are owned by wealthy owners who sit quietly in the background and let people who know what they are doing run the club.

I, for some strange reason, believed that we weren't requiring a serious overhaul of the squad this summer, that thinking needs changed.

I still believe that we've got some talented, though very inconsistent and prone to collapsing, players on the books and what's required moving forward are experienced players who have backbone about them to inspire and toughen up the current crop.

Whether these new players come from Scotland or beyond doesn't bother me so much, though I'd like us to get a few more scots in the squad, what matters is that the current mentality rife in the club is changed for the better.

Jimmy also HAS to work on a plan B or no matter who he brings in during the summer, he'll be a dead man walking and won't get to Xmas.

As much as the rival managers in the league are poor, what they can do is and have proved this season is that they know how to nullify Jimmy's plan A.

I'm still hopeful this Jimmy experiment will come good but from Nov 9th 2024 up to this point it has been worse than terrible and Jimmy should count himself very fortunate that Cormack has went all in on the Swede.