OT: What a pillock

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Originally Posted by the_anticlough

Cameron and the tories fixed that one, breaking their 2015 manifesto pledge to allow all expats to vote.t.

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I must have missed Cameron being part of a Leave organisation.

Well, Cameron seems very comfortable with all the fall-out now, and keeps on getting spotted dining 1 to 1 with his old Eton and Bullingdon boy de Pfeffel after pretending to have been betrayed by him for a short time.

Cameron heading up the remain campaign seems ridiculous now and what a half-arsed job he did. The whole thing stinks. The British public are being had - again.

Another issue for me from last week is the media coverage. I saw the BBC doing for Johnson what Fox News did for Trump, giving him maximum coverage, excluding all other voices and by providing a platform for 1 candidate only, effectively making them leader. Same with Farage, let's see equal time for all non-cabinet, ex-foreign secretaries and all former UKIP leaders. Ex-Lib dem leaders, former home secretaries... When you see de Pfeffel and Farage on your screens again and again, ask yourself why him, why now?

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Originally Posted by the_anticlough

Well, Cameron seems very comfortable with all the fall-out now, and keeps on getting spotted dining 1 to 1 with his old Eton and Bullingdon boy de Pfeffel after pretending to have been betrayed by him for a short time.

Cameron heading up the remain campaign seems ridiculous now and what a half-arsed job he did. The whole thing stinks. The British public are being had - again.

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Don’t let facts get in the way of a conspiracy theory.

Cameron and Osborne - Prime Minister and Chancellor where strong remainders and leaders of Project Fear.

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Originally Posted by forwardmagpie

Don’t let facts get in the way of a conspiracy theory.

Cameron and Osborne - Prime Minister and Chancellor where strong remainders and leaders of Project Fear.

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No conspiracy theory - the facts are that our only other ex-PMs still alive Major, Blair and Brown are having their say.

Osborne's Evening Standard has to be careful with London being so pro-remain, but Osborne says Brexit cannot be stopped and has aligned himself with Gove. Cameron let the eurosceptics have free rein, gave them exactly what they wanted, now says diddly squat,
apart from some mealy-mouthed stuff about it not being a disaster...

You make the point about their remain campaign, yes pretty piss poor, some negative campaigning but they never put the positive case for staying that their positions demanded. This all adds up with what the pair are saying or not saying now.

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Originally Posted by tarquinbeech

A "majority" simply means "who got the most votes"...it's honestly as simple as that....

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What, like the 39% of the vote that you claimed was a majority?

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Originally Posted by the_anticlough

No conspiracy theory - the facts are that our only other ex-PMs still alive Major, Blair and Brown are having their say.

Osborne's Evening Standard has to be careful with London being so pro-remain, but Osborne says Brexit cannot be stopped and has aligned himself with Gove. Cameron let the eurosceptics have free rein, gave them exactly what they wanted, now says diddly squat,
apart from some mealy-mouthed stuff about it not being a disaster...

You make the point about their remain campaign, yes pretty piss poor, some negative campaigning but they never put the positive case for staying that their positions demanded. This all adds up with what the pair are saying or not saying now.

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I was hoping for a detailed debate from both sides during the Referendum campaign- I was sadly disappointed.

I was a leave voter before the debate and nothing from Remain changed my mind.

I was though disappointed in the leave campaign as well.

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Originally Posted by the_anticlough

We're talking about something entirely different to carrying out manifesto pledges.

It's breaking electoral law in the leave campaign, all the blatant lies and randomly excluding the people most affected by the issue from having a vote.

These scandals should have no place in 'our democratic process'. It was illegal and should be rerun.

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I must have missed that headline on the news-Illegal referendum???

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Originally Posted by sidders

You don't get it, do you? The 2/3 majority is required for a change from the status quo. Anything less means no change.

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If the vote had gone your way I doubt very much you would be shouting for 2/3 majority.

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Originally Posted by i961pie

I must have missed that headline on the news-Illegal referendum???

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Don't be too hard on yourself, you can't expect to keep up on everything.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/br...rspend-n891931
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8451136.html
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/v...fine-lzvr2gx5d

Lots more coverage, but not the big splash if it had been something to do with Labour. So yeah, people may have missed it like you say. More of the media might return to it yet, I think some are waiting to see which way the wind blows on brexit.