Maynard In/Out/Shake it all about, Richard Montague's Recruitment, Cundy's Hip etc.

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Originally Posted by OP67

We got compensation from Swansea for them to buy out Lukes contract which had just been extended. To buy out Stu's contract from Wealdstone would have been small fry compared so there should be plenty left to pay off his contract if they so wish.

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They'd have to spend money on a new manager, who'd presumably want his own staff, so they'd have to sack the two guys Maynard brought with him as well.

Money may or may not be an issue (they might be using most of the Williams money to pay off debt for example), the fact they hired a part time manager from Wealdstone leads me to think that it is at least a significant factor, if not the full story. I cannot believe they simply thought he was the best manager out there if it's the case that they could have afforded to poach a full time manager from higher up.

The most realistic alternative explanation is that he's the best available that's willing to accept the level of interference that comes from above, which wouldn't bode well either. We can use euphemisms like "best fit for the club", "fits out model", but we're basically saying "yes man" with those phrases. That would be fine if that was working, but everybody seems to agree that recruitment has been a disaster and despite the obvious issues, that was still not addressed in January.

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Originally Posted by upthemaggies

They'd have to spend money on a new manager, who'd presumably want his own staff, so they'd have to sack the two guys Maynard brought with him as well.

Money may or may not be an issue (they might be using most of the Williams money to pay off debt for example), the fact they hired a part time manager from Wealdstone leads me to think that it is at least a significant factor, if not the full story. I cannot believe they simply thought he was the best manager out there if it's the case that they could have afforded to poach a full time manager from higher up.

The most realistic alternative explanation is that he's the best available that's willing to accept the level of interference that comes from above, which wouldn't bode well either. We can use euphemisms like "best fit for the club", "fits out model", but we're basically saying "yes man" with those phrases. That would be fine if that was working, but everybody seems to agree that recruitment has been a disaster and despite the obvious issues, that was still not addressed in January.

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Do Thomas Frank and Roberto De Zerbi look/sound like yes men ???

As they have a model in same vein reality is this is how clubs in Europe have worked for years.

When you are a HEAD COACH your remit is to coach & pick the team, buying/selling players is snother department.

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Originally Posted by upthemaggies

They'd have to spend money on a new manager, who'd presumably want his own staff, so they'd have to sack the two guys Maynard brought with him as well.

Money may or may not be an issue (they might be using most of the Williams money to pay off debt for example), the fact they hired a part time manager from Wealdstone leads me to think that it is at least a significant factor, if not the full story. I cannot believe they simply thought he was the best manager out there if it's the case that they could have afforded to poach a full time manager from higher up.

The most realistic alternative explanation is that he's the best available that's willing to accept the level of interference that comes from above, which wouldn't bode well either. We can use euphemisms like "best fit for the club", "fits out model", but we're basically saying "yes man" with those phrases. That would be fine if that was working, but everybody seems to agree that recruitment has been a disaster and despite the obvious issues, that was still not addressed in January.

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Seems like quite a good explanation
Money is definately a factor, it has to be because i said in a previous post most clubs operate at a loss - the owners model worked in the NL, ie getting cheap upcoming players and coaches, because the general opposition was much lower
As we are seeing it will not work in L2 or higher, as other clubs relative to Notts have higher budgets and more to spend on players, so this policy of the owners of buying cheapplayers or head coaches will not work and will probably lead to mid table or lower - which to be frank will please most supporters, once in a while maybe 1 out of 4 head coaches as in LW or finding langstaff it might pay off leading to a season challenging for play offs or promotion - perhaps this is the owners model, but in this case they have failed SM is not a diamond they have found in the rough nor are 3/4 of the current squad

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Originally Posted by Davy500

Just do not think they will - i mean SM is thw worst manager ever - yet they still stick with him - WHY?
They stuck with Ardley for 2 years and what did that achieve- then Burchanll. The fact is the owners apart from LW have made poor choices for head coach -
that being said we have a lot to thank them for, coming in and saving the club , and getting us out the NL
But in this case the best scenerio is they stick with SM next season and we under achieve- eventually sacking him after wasting one or two years, or the worst is we are dragged into a relegation battle, putting everything they achieved under threat ,and if we went down all the good work will be undone- and then i could see the owners pulling out.
One thing that has become evident in the last 20 years is that running a club in the EFL league 1 or 2 is no easy task, as we saw with the trust, Trew , Hardy and now the current owners. It is hard work for a club to break even , in fact up to 75% of clubs are running at a loss, only propped up by owners cash, the qustion you have to ask is what do the owners actually get out of running an EFL club, therte is no prsestige like in the premier ?

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** this original reply was lost as my login timed out as I wrote it - I see others have made sensible comments since but I'll re-post it anyway **

Trew and Hardy wanted a vanity project, noting that Hardy already had the Cotgrave Golf Club which he cheekily renamed "The Nottinghamshire".

The Bros believe they can take underperforming and undervalued assets, based on their statistical information, and turn them into successful and profitable assets. Notts, especially once relegation was confirmed, met their price valuation. They would have made profits from Burchnall Rodrigues and Williams. There are a number of our players who will make a tidy sum if sold at the right time. The Bros have no inherent interest in Notts in the way that most of us here have. They are playing a numbers game based on their strategy. By all accounts they are intent on playing that game long term and they will accept ups and downs. Success will not come with the expectation of being a smooth straight line upwards the same as no financial investor will expect the value of their stocks to go up linearly every day/week/month or even year.

They will be learning as they go along, absorbing, discussing with competent people. I'm sure they realise that they've underestimated League Two. Was it someone on the Magpie Circle who was taken aback at how different League Two is now to when we were last there?

It sounds very much, listening to Mace, that Stuart is here for next season and I'd assume that there will be a ramping up of the defensive recruitment to give him half a chance and if he fails with that, and a full close season, then the axe will fall.

Look, let's hope he's learnt from this lean spell and we knock out 3 or 4 wins from our remaining games. mmm - do pigs fly at night?

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Originally Posted by legs77

Do Thomas Frank and Roberto De Zerbi look/sound like yes men ???

As they have a model in same vein reality is this is how clubs in Europe have worked for years.

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This is League Two though, not Europe.

As I said, it's all well and good if it's working but we're currently bottom half of the table below clubs with a third of our gates with not only relegation form but rock bottom down before Easter form. The next transfer window is always touted to be the answer to all of our problems, but how many times has that worked out for Notts? Whether or not we are going to have a good season in 2024/25 will largely depend on Maynard's ability to get the best out of what he's given. If LW had the current set of players in the top 6, then it stands to reason that Maynard would need a far better squad to make up for the experience/man management gap between him and LW to get anywhere near the promotion spots.

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Originally Posted by upthemaggies

This is League Two though, not Europe.

As I said, it's all well and good if it's working but we're currently bottom half of the table below clubs with a third of our gates with not only relegation form but rock bottom down before Easter form. The next transfer window is always touted to be the answer to all of our problems, but how many times has that worked out for Notts? Whether or not we are going to have a good season in 2024/25 will largely depend on Maynard's ability to get the best out of what he's given. If LW had the current set of players in the top 6, then it stands to reason that Maynard would need a far better squad to make up for the experience/man management gap between him and LW to get anywhere near the promotion spots.

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You are over thinking things really football is football.

You need a good manager / coach and you need good players to do well.

This model isnt much different it just gives the coach more time with the squad and to not worry with other things which makes sense.

We all saw under Trew/Hardy "The British Model" of 30-40 players a season and how that played out.

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Originally Posted by upthemaggies

They'd have to spend money on a new manager, who'd presumably want his own staff, so they'd have to sack the two guys Maynard brought with him as well.

Money may or may not be an issue (they might be using most of the Williams money to pay off debt for example), the fact they hired a part time manager from Wealdstone leads me to think that it is at least a significant factor, if not the full story. I cannot believe they simply thought he was the best manager out there if it's the case that they could have afforded to poach a full time manager from higher up.

The most realistic alternative explanation is that he's the best available that's willing to accept the level of interference that comes from above, which wouldn't bode well either. We can use euphemisms like "best fit for the club", "fits out model", but we're basically saying "yes man" with those phrases. That would be fine if that was working, but everybody seems to agree that recruitment has been a disaster and despite the obvious issues, that was still not addressed in January.

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Absolutely nailed it. We would never know for certain, but I'm with UTM with this.

The Brothers may have thought, we'll give him a go, because he'd be grateful for the step up and with all we have in place, it will work. If it doesn't work, Notts will finish mid-table at the worse.

Hmm....we're are we currently?

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Originally Posted by upthemaggies

This is League Two though, not Europe.

As I said, it's all well and good if it's working but we're currently bottom half of the table below clubs with a third of our gates with not only relegation form but rock bottom down before Easter form. The next transfer window is always touted to be the answer to all of our problems, but how many times has that worked out for Notts? Whether or not we are going to have a good season in 2024/25 will largely depend on Maynard's ability to get the best out of what he's given. If LW had the current set of players in the top 6, then it stands to reason that Maynard would need a far better squad to make up for the experience/man management gap between him and LW to get anywhere near the promotion spots.

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I think LW jumped from a sinking ship. The signs were there that the tactics were being sussed out and although the players could play that way in the NL, it wasn't going to work long term in L2.

Yes, we started really well, but it wasn't going swimmingly before Williams left.

Talk of money being an issue seems way off the mark IMO. Given that it was stated that we have exceeded attendances that the playing budget was based on. Also the money spent on the new sound system or the digital advertising. Plus the money being chucked at the new Notts fan park.
None of the improvements have been done on the cheap and 2 out of the 3 will hopefully increase revenue.
I think Notts hierarchy believed the squad assembled was capable of finishing higher than it will, however, didn’t want to risk blowing a budget to try and compete with teams with far superior resources. We know the Bros are fairly relaxed and are happy to build progressively. I genuinely believe that Notts will build in the summer and hopefully that will not just be the playing department. The playing budget IMO will be closer to top 6 rather than mid table it is rumoured to be. Chesterfield aside, no other team coming down or up will be big clubs.
L2 is there for the taking next season. Recruitment needs to be right, on and off the pitch.

Good points Notts78.

I hope the top 4 are the ones who go up they are most likely to keep their players if they didnt go up.

But as always it is about what we do.