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That's the problem in a nutshell Supersub.
Whatever the Government agree to it will alienate the majority of the public and it will rumble on and on and on...
Leaving the decision to the people is the only way to bring a modicum of order - although Theresa has ruled this out.
The people decided that they want to leave, There is no point now in going back to the people because they are probably more divided than they were before. If the people decided that they don't like the terms then what is the next course of action?Quote:
Originally Posted by 1959_60
You can guarantee that we have plenty of obligations which we will be expected to fulfil and you can also guarantee that, should we not fulfil those outstanding obligations, the rest of the world will be advised that we cannot be trusted.
As I have said from the start ---what a mess!
Supersub, put the final deal to the people.
If they don't like it then they can choose to crash out without a deal or stay.
It's the only way to save us from virtual civil war.
And surely NO ONE is saying that we shouldn't meet our obligations?
Been doing quite a bit of reading this last couple of days, since the EU suddenly and mysteriously started talking 'no deal', trying to ascertain what was the thinking behind this change of emphasis in Brussels. I said above they do not want a 'no deal' under any circumstances, which is 100% correct, but I'm beginning to think the deal they will be offering instead at the last minute won't be the trade deal I was thinking it would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by sinkov
I did wonder why there were so many of our Parliamentarian traitors sloping off to Brussels for cosy little chats with Barnier and Juncker, what on earth could they be talking about ? I think I know now. Around the same time, more and more traitors in this country began a second Project Fear, about the dangers of 'no deal', and pressing for another referendum with the option of staying in the EU. Traitors like Matthew Parris and others are openly discussing the possibilty of totally ignoring the referendum, and suggesting the EU might have us back, he thinks we could be accepted back on our current terms.
I can see what's happening here, the EU will stonewall, they will not under any circumstances agree to a trade deal, Project Fear will be ramped up, with ludicrous stories about the dire fate that will befall us should we leave without a trade deal, did you notice that fatuous claim from the EU's sock puppet in Dublin, that our planes wouldn't be able to fly over Ireland, expect much more idiotic drivel like that, and then, at the last minute, when they hope the entire nation will be trembling at the thought of 'crashing out without a deal' as the traitors like to call it, and trading under WTO rules, will come the EU offer, but it won't be a trade deal like I originally thought, it will be an offer for us to stay in the EU.
That's what the slimeball traitors are up to with their EU paymasters. Mark my words.
You put too much trust in your own theories. What makes you think asking the people will solve everything. I doubt it would solve anything and as I have said to you several times you need at least 50% of the people to agree so only two questions. It seems you want to offer Brexit a Brexit b and Brexit c versus remaining. Sorry that’s not on.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1959_60
Of course the EU want a deal, but they want all the favours, leaving us with little of what we want and paying over the odds for it. That’s not my idea of an acceptable deal and all this scaremongering just hardens my resolve to leave asap.
59/60 doesn't think OC, that's his problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldcolner
Sinkov, you are a betting man and I am a bloke who never wins a bet.
So here is a perfect opportunity for you.
I'll give you odds of 10-1 that we remain.
Will you give me evens that we leave without a deal?
NOTE: This offer is subject to a maximum stake of a quid. >;)
Will you put your money where your mouth is?
Simple OC.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldcolner
Three choices on the ballot paper. You have to put your first and second preferences. The first options are all counted. If no option reaches 50% then the least popular option is discarded.
Then it is a straight run off between the remaining (no pun intended) options, with the second preferences added for voters whose first option was discarded.
This method is widely used, is straightforwards and fair.
I agree that a peoples vote won't stop all the argy bargy, but it will certainly be more acceptable than leaving it to the Tories.
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there's no need for that 59'60....as posted before : Was Britain Taken Into The EU Illegally?Quote:
Originally Posted by 1959_60
http://www.vernoncoleman.com/euillegally.html
so you see - can't leave what we haven't (Legally) joined.
:D
59/60, you're sounding very excitable, when you've calmed down, will you explain precisely what it is I've said that you want to bet on ?Quote:
Originally Posted by 1959_60
In the meantime please read, or re-read, my post 174, and take special note that nowhere do I say the traitor's devious scheme won't succeed. It may well.