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All very good, what about the extra tariffs placed on those quality products, which will make them un-attractively priced, the company making them will probably then use the newly passed legislation to get rid of a few more of it's workers to drive down their costs, drop the wages of those stll in work, all allowed of course, because the gov't has repealed many of the decent workers rights gained over the years.....just sayng.. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by jolly_roger
JR I'm speaking from the Remain camp's scare mongering position.
The Germans will still sell us cars, the French will still sell us wine, we import more goods from Europe than we export to them, it would be the classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
All very good, what about the extra tariffs placed on those quality products, which will make them un-attractively priced, the company making them will probably then use the newly passed legislation to get rid of a few more of it's workers to drive down their costs, drop the wages of those stll in work, all allowed of course, because the gov't has repealed many of the decent workers rights gained over the years.....just sayng.. ;D [/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by millmoormagic
Simple it works both ways we do exactly the same with the goods they want to export to the UK which will have the sam
Cheers gm, interesting that and I take the point, but as Minford admits himself, it's not certain that the completely free market he's saying should happen will happen. As I said whether we stay or leave I don't think either action will have us all flush with cash or all destitute on the street. You'd expect there to be a compromise and trade wise we'll be ok. Also not certain that there won't be some sort of repercussions - things like elections coming up next year in several EU countries might well have an impact on what sort of arrangements, trade or otherwise, we end up with as they won't want to be seen as a soft touch to their own citizens. All I'm saying is it's not hard and fast, despite 88% of 600 economists in a recent poll saying there'd be long term damage to our GDP if we leave - we all know they can get it wrong.
And I'm not sure that the EU is the only polity that encourages or allows the dominance of big companies by one means or another. Similarly, we'll have to wo
Complete nonsense? i don't think so, given the track record of the current gov't who are trying every angle to get around EU employment law currently, and who want to get rid of the EU working time directive, and would do if we vote leave...
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/-sp-thousands-britons-claim-benefits-eu
I would vote out, but not for the reasons the main figures in BREXIT say.
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Think most people will agree the campaign's been pretty horrible in a number of ways and the exaggerated claims on both sides reflect badly on politicians. I'm trying to find other sources of information and you get far more nuance talking to real people rather than listening to the official campaigns.Quote:
Originally Posted by a123
Workers already have an opt out of the working time directive if they choose to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by millmoormagic
The same government who have brought in the living wage and upped the starting point of income tax rates to help the low paid, why would they do this if they want to drive the workers into the ground?
Have you experienced the opt out of the working time directive?, basically, sign this or find another job, and it's this type of opt out that this gov't has championed, because that's what they do. A sfor what this gov't has done for the working man, well that's really laughable to be honest, this gov't has presided over the rapid and disgraceful rise in poverty in this country, working people struggling to put food on the table and food banks popping up all over the place to feed them, you must have blinkers on to be honest.
[quote="harpo88"]Cheers gm, interesting that and I take the point, but as Minford admits himself, it's not certain that the completely free market he's saying should happen will happen. As I said whether we stay or leave I don't think either action will have us all flush with cash or all destitute on the street. You'd expect there to be a compromise and trade wise we'll be ok. Also not certain that there won't be some sort of repercussions - things like elections coming up next year in several EU countries might well have an impact on what sort of arrangements, trade or otherwise, we end up with as they won't want to be seen as a soft touch to their own citizens. All I'm saying is it's not hard and fast, despite 88% of 600 economists in a recent poll saying there'd be long term damage to our GDP if we leave - we all know they can get it wrong.
And I'm not sure that the EU is the only polity that encourages or allows the dominance of big companies by one mea