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20-05-2018, 01:10 PM
drillerpie

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Originally Posted by Airborn Pie

What we do need to do, is find a way to stop the tactic whereby a boat arrives off the coast somewhere then someone on board with a phone, sends out a distress call, knowing they'll be picked up.

One way to address this would be to pick them up and just return them to the breach they left from and not automatically land them in the EU.

Sadly I agree. They are doing that to a large extent now with the agreement with the Libyan coastguard anyway.
20-05-2018, 01:15 PM
drillerpie

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Originally Posted by AltyPie

It’s interesting how the political labels seem to have been turned on their head. Years ago when a union member stopped a worker crossing a picket line to work for lower wages, he was lauded on the Left & the “scab” condemned. We from Notts should know, we’ve had “scab” shouted at us enough around the country. But now, when a working class someone suggests preventing non-citizens from entering the country en masse because they are worried this will stagnate wage growth, they are vilified by the Left & called “Far Right” or the now boring racist.

I don't think wage stagnation is the main factor in people being against migration from Africa and the Middle East, but anyway the left wing has always seen the world in terms of oppressed and oppressors (in terms of the economic system) rather than in terms of nationalities. A lot of Marxists probably wouldn't recognise borders as legitimate anyway.
20-05-2018, 01:56 PM
Airborn Pie

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Originally Posted by drillerpie

I don't think wage stagnation is the main factor in people being against migration from Africa and the Middle East, but anyway the left wing has always seen the world in terms of oppressed and oppressors (in terms of the economic system) rather than in terms of nationalities. A lot of Marxists probably wouldn't recognise borders as legitimate anyway.

Agree that it not much to do with wage stagnation, it's a broader set of resons IMO.

When local services are being squeezed to ridiculous levels, e.g a purpose bulit police station in Carlton, jut 25 years old, closed to save money, cash is still found to fund immigrant support systems. How much does it cost to print the multi lingual leflets we all get from hospitals and docors now, translators and free legal advice so they can blag their way in to the country.

I have no issue with those fleeing war zones (who btw, should be sent home if their home country stabilises) but illegal, economic migrants have to be deterred and removed, they take school places, housing, medical services and benefits, some even get bus passes! These all resources that are stretched to breaking through legal migration alone.

If the UK is thriving through record emplyment levels, why is the exchequer so broke?
21-05-2018, 02:45 PM
tarquinbeech

....and an interesting side-note, with a sporting flavour

40 athletes claimed asylum in Aus after the 2006 games

21 went missing and 80 claimed asylum in the UK after the 2012 Olympics

....and after the Commonwealth Games of 2018 in Aus, 50 to 100 have illegally gone "walkabout" and another 205 are seeking "protection visas".....so there appears to be a worrying trend here, where even relatively safe and well-fed athletes from poorer nations are now seeing sport as a quick way to get to the West....we appear to have moved from a total of 40, to 100...to 300 just in the last 12 years.

Basically, IMO, the poorer nations are seeing it as their divine right for the West to support them, even athletes now.....just my opinion.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-44194069
21-05-2018, 05:28 PM
Airborn Pie

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Originally Posted by tarquinbeech

....and an interesting side-note, with a sporting flavour

40 athletes claimed asylum in Aus after the 2006 games

21 went missing and 80 claimed asylum in the UK after the 2012 Olympics

....and after the Commonwealth Games of 2018 in Aus, 50 to 100 have illegally gone "walkabout" and another 205 are seeking "protection visas".....so there appears to be a worrying trend here, where even relatively safe and well-fed athletes from poorer nations are now seeing sport as a quick way to get to the West....we appear to have moved from a total of 40, to 100...to 300 just in the last 12 years.

Basically, IMO, the poorer nations are seeing it as their divine right for the West to support them, even athletes now.....just my opinion.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-44194069

How can you stop the atletes doing this short of scrapping the games?
21-05-2018, 05:59 PM
Trickytreesreds

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Originally Posted by Airborn Pie

How can you stop the atletes doing this short of scrapping the games?

Don't grant them asylum. Simples.
They have been at the top of their tree from their countries. Send them back, or it never ends. Just like the traffic boats.
21-05-2018, 06:49 PM
Airborn Pie

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Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds

Don't grant them asylum. Simples.
They have been at the top of their tree from their countries. Send them back, or it never ends. Just like the traffic boats.

But you just get some liberal do gooder or charity that fights for them, slanders the UK as heartless racists, it costs a fortune in appeals, court time and legal fees and we give in.
21-05-2018, 06:53 PM
sidders

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Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds

Don't grant them asylum. Simples.
They have been at the top of their tree from their countries. Send them back, or it never ends. Just like the traffic boats.

I never hear you or Steven Beech filing the same complaints about the Russian oligarchs who have mothballed expensive London property and brought their unique brand of gangsterism to our streets.
Oh I know why. They don't use the NHS or live in rented accommodation, do they?
21-05-2018, 06:56 PM
sidders

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Originally Posted by Airborn Pie

But you just get some liberal do gooder or charity that fights for them, slanders the UK as heartless racists, it costs a fortune in appeals, court time and legal fees and we give in.

What a plank you are. Constantly mouthing generalities that mean nothing, but win a chorus of approval from the right. Which do gooder? Which charity? Who called who a heartless racist?
21-05-2018, 07:00 PM
Airborn Pie

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What a plank you are. Constantly mouthing generalities that mean nothing, but win a chorus of approval from the right. Which do gooder? Which charity? Who called who a heartless racist?

Insults again, what a shining example, don't you ever dare accuse me of insulting you again you absolute tosser.

Never a word to say about football, just the usual crap

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