Rugby - Far better dealt with then football

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Originally Posted by Ronners

You are spot on with how rugby do it Brin, but you were sat watching it on the telly, and I just wonder if it's any better for the rugby supporters who are at the match, than it is for football supporters at the actual game?
I'm not trying to knock your post, because rugby have been doing this for a while now, and watching it on the telly makes it better for the viewers, but what about the paying public at the match?

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Ronners, I think you probably know but, they have massive screens for all the fans to see the play backs not just the officials. Okay, the fan at the game cannot hear what the Ref may be saying however, it's far better conducted in the way they handle things. I feel the body cam on the Ref is a massive deterrent for dissent because all the viewing public could hear how much of nob a player may be.

Can you imagine watching a live football game at home without any commentators interrupting what the Ref is actually saying, so you get the full picture so to speak?

Moreover, imagine Lineker and the MOTD panel being out of a job as they wouldn't be needed to explain how a match went.

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Originally Posted by Brin

Ronners, I think you probably know but, they have massive screens for all the fans to see the play backs not just the officials. Okay, the fan at the game cannot hear what the Ref may be saying however, it's far better conducted in the way they handle things. I feel the body cam on the Ref is a massive deterrent for dissent because all the viewing public could hear how much of nob a player may be.

Can you imagine watching a live football game at home without any commentators interrupting what the Ref is actually saying, so you get the full picture so to speak?

Moreover, imagine Lineker and the MOTD panel being out of a job as they wouldn't be needed to explain how a match went.

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That’s very true. Footballers even now cover their mouths to stop lip readers working out the bilge they utter.

In rugby union it’s all about respect, the players respect each other and the decisions of the officials. Respect to footballers is a meaningless initiative that makes them shake hands with each other before the match and a daft badge to wear on their kit.

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Originally Posted by Brin

Ronners, I think you probably know but, they have massive screens for all the fans to see the play backs not just the officials. Okay, the fan at the game cannot hear what the Ref may be saying however, it's far better conducted in the way they handle things. I feel the body cam on the Ref is a massive deterrent for dissent because all the viewing public could hear how much of nob a player may be.

Can you imagine watching a live football game at home without any commentators interrupting what the Ref is actually saying, so you get the full picture so to speak?

Moreover, imagine Lineker and the MOTD panel being out of a job as they wouldn't be needed to explain how a match went.

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I quite like watching Rugby union Brin but having never been to a big rugby match so to speak, I really don't know how it is for the supporters at the ground, so thanks for clearing that up.
I also couldn't agree more about the bodycam and how it deters players from dissenting too much.

Wigans Anthony Pilkington was a prime example.
I,m a premiership player, even though Cardiff clearly don't think so, so I,ll rant and rave at the ref all afternoon when any decision goes against me. Just for good measure I'll flail my arms around and scream at the ref when a foul wasn't given just so that everyone knows who I am.
No sympathy for the ref as he didn't book him enough times for answering back

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Originally Posted by Brin

Just sat watching the England v France game and there was an altercation with nearly all the players in a dust up.

The Ref is carrying a body cam and the clarity of his microphone is exceptional.

It took about a minute for the incident to be reviewed by a fourth official up in the stands and fed back to the Ref so he could deal with it. All the while this was happening you could hear everything being discussed.

When the melee had died down the Ref called both Captains in along with the offending England player. Everything was explained why he had come to the decision he had and, the reprimand to the England player.

It was refreshing to see, hear and understand everything explained 100% so I have to ask why this cannot be reintroduced into football. No bad mouthing from the players to the Ref and dealt with like men.

If this was brought back in it would surely smarten some loud mouth players and it could certainly help clear up just how bad some officials are.

Thoughts anyone?

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Heres the problem. People like you. You want to use the system to show refs up and prove they are useless. Why? So the crowd can hurl abuse at them?

Rugby union shows how good the refs are who command even more respect.

I agree that the review system in Rugby is very impressive. I'm not convinced it would work as well in football. the 40 minute second half in today's game actually lasted an hour. I don't think footie lends itself to that many stoppages. There is certainly a lot football can learn from the RU review system though.

More impressive for me though is the discipline. Ignore fatuous comments about class. The discipline in rugby is good because misbehaviour is hammered. There does seem to be more respect in rugby but the bottom line is that the players know that misbehaviour, especially towards the ref, will certainly be counter-productive.

I'm sure that if Rugby players thought they could gain some advantage by bawling and shouting at the ref en masse it would creep into the game. It is certainly not a game played by angels.

In a high profile game in 2009 Harlequins were involved in "bloodgate" when one of their players bit into a blood capsule to fake an injury. An investigation revealed that Harlequins had used the same tactic at least 4 times previously.

I have never understood why football puts up with players behaving as they do towards officials. Stamp it out by flashing the cards, It really seems to be a no-brainer.

Pretty sure that guy who jumped off the ferry isn't middle class.

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Originally Posted by great_fire

Pretty sure that guy who jumped off the ferry isn't middle class.

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Explain why, because really, you don't know do you, so really, you're saying only a working class kid could do summat like that arent you, bit pathetic that to be honest..

Wrinkly has this spot on, the reason rugby players do as they're told by the ref is that ANY chat back gets a yellow, and coaches and players across the land appreciate what damage that can do to the cahnces of winning in a game. That respect started by te refs across every level in rugby giving a ten yard advantage for every word said, that should be introduced to football in my opinion, it would stop the back chat immediately.

Having said that, football refs tend to be egotistcal knob heads, so would turn it into a farce on many occasions, but worth a try nonetheless.

I go to premiership rugby matches every now and then and have to say that higher standards of behaviour extends to the supporters too. You don't see people hurling abuse, everyone goes quiet when a penalty or conversion is being kicked and I have never detected even a whiff of trouble between supports who mingle freely. All that despite drinking being part of the culture.

I've been to the premiership final at Twickenham a couple of times and the party atmosphere is incredible.

I watched the England France game in a French bar, which was entertaining.

football refs tend to be egotistcal knob heads, so would turn it into a farce on many occasions, but worth a try nonetheless.[/QUOTE]

This is spot on MMM